Come on bud. Let it all out.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-fulfilling_prophecy

"In other words, a positive or negative prophecy, strongly held belief, or delusion—declared as truth when it is actually false—may sufficiently influence people so that their reactions ultimately fulfill the once-false prophecy."

Important inner game shit.

The problem is that picking up women is not the answer to your life Yes sure you'd like to be around beautiful women and have hot sex/gf whenever you want it . But that comes from having a full exciting , fulfilling life , not trying to mindgame girls into relations with you. I'm not anti-pua by any means and have been following it for some time (lurker lol) and try to use some of the stuff it's taught me . But I think a lot of guys are so focussed on "the game" that they forget about real things like it's cool just to have fun with girls , you don't have to try to pick them up all the time . Seems like so much desperation to escalate all the time and it actually kills the fun of it to where ok you slept with her but so what you had 6 hours of constant mental aguish followed by 5 mins of banging her and then goodbye you never see her again . I know it's not always like that but seems like people get obsessed with pickup to where they forget that it's just a part of life and not everything in life. Use it to enrich your life and help you out but don't use it as the single key to an amazing life because it isn't . So I'd say chill out , forget most of what you've "learnt" and then start to incorporate the parts of the "game" that feel right to you . If you want to text a girl then text her , so effing what if someone says you shouldn't . They don't know every thing about every girl that ever existed . It's ok to make mistakes anyway , it might even be funny . Since you're not desperate just to bang girls in one night stands then why not relax and do things your own way and pick and choose the parts of "the game" that suit you . There aren't really any rules , people just think there are.

You are probably much improved from when you first got into pick up. Congrats. Self improvement is the pillar of the pick up philosophy.

But with developing any skill, progress is not linear. Take a basketball player who is practicing free throws, he could start off shooting 50%. Then maybe after a week or two of consistent practice, he hits 80%. Then a week later he goes out and hits 65%. What should his attitude be?

When he started off, he hit 50%, and he just hit 65%, although at one point he hit 80%. Has he regressed? I'd argue that he has still drastically improved. Perspective matters.

Similarly, you are going out, and some nights you are getting makeouts, and you even brought a girl home the same night. I bet you couldn't have done that before you got into pick up, so be proud of what you have accomplished thusfar. Also similarly, to shooting free throws, you are never going to hit 100% of them, some pick up attempts will "fail."

I think you need to be careful about what you call "failure" too. No, you didn't get the girl, but don't worry about that part. You are too outcome dependent. You only get results, not successes and failures. Right now you are perceiving yourself to be a failure... no... you just need to change your process to get the right result. Edison tried thousands of times before he made the electric lightbulb, and when he did, he said that he simply learned thousands of ways not to make a lightbulb. Lincoln lost several elections before becoming president, he learned from his mistakes. The best of the best fail a lot more than they succeed.

Neil Strauss: Terrible with girls before getting into game, now one of the best PUAs ever.
Mystery: Couldn't talk to a stranger to save his life, virgin at 21, now a PUA legend.
Richard La Ruina: Huge geek with little female experience into his, now he owns most of the PUA community.

The only thing that is preventing you from becoming a great PUA is you.

Patient: Doctor it hurts when I do this.
Doctor: Go on a bootcamp. Learn to make the box. Self amuse. Bang fat chicks.
Patient: That doesn't really seem to be a solution to my problem...
Doctor: Dude, I just saw the most freaking AMAZING LIZARD!
Patient: So about my issue...
Doctor: My Gatorade bottle is full of Four Loko, want some?

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I feel like the game is so incredibly easy when you first meet a girl at a party or bar etc. I always have fun and can get a makeout and number and even close her THAT night, but when it comes to day 2 the game becomes an enigma that has never been solved. There is no clear way to behave to progress.

I'm not talking about canned material and stuff. I'm a natural game guy. There are ways to behave and simple things with body language that are powerful and can get positive results with ease on day 1 but in day 2 I feel as if all of the positive results from the first night becomes worthless. I'm cracking a safe deaf and blind upside down. Nothing I can find actually helps with day 2. And I'm just talking about GETTING a day 2 as opposed to actually being on the day 2.

This little area has become my plateau. No matter how successful I am I cannot cross the divide that is convincing a girl to go on a day 2 date. I can't get them to want to date me. I'm not sure this is something that can be learned the way you can learn body language and kino etc. If there is learning to be had here regarding this tremendous gap then please point me there because I can't find it.

The game has changed my life for the better. I am incredibly proud of what I have become. I know and witness my improvement constantly. I can approach and meet girls like never before. I'm having great interactions Andy friends even tell me often how good I am with women. But what am I really accomplishing here? I'm retrospect all I have done and can do with my progress is get makeouts and bang on day 1 parties but that's it. It's nice to have this but what I really want is something real. I want to draw emotion from them that last so that they can't wait for a day 2 they way I can't wait for it. It is here where the game overwhelms me. It's taken years to change and improve but this puzzle right here is the end goal and I can't find a way to solve it. It is the brick wall at the end of my tunnel.

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This is going to sound counter-intuitive, however... have you tried doing whatever you do, somewhat less? IE, have you tried toning down what you do while out?
I'm wondering if you're not giving off a strong player vibe.

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I don't do anything scripted. The most "game" thing I do is qualify which is very natural. I get the girl talking about themselves and try to find something interesting to relate with. If they bore me then I get disinterested and show it, not explicitly, but I simply look somewhere else. My body language is just alpha stuff. Strong eye contact forward facing relaxed shoulders etc. If they bore me I'll lean back and stare around somewhere else. Check my phone. This is all normal stuff I couldn't tone down. All of my improvement has been mostly in the body language area and conversational space as well. I escalate with kino in a very light way. I don't even think about it when I do it. If I'm attracted I just go ahead and physically treat her like my girl with a hand on the lower back to guide her or linger a touch where she eventually grabs my hand.

I guess the most explicitly player thing I do SOMETIMES I directly get sexual. I'll explicitly say the girl wants to sleep with me as an off the cuff sort of thing if the comic opportunity arises. I've also just grabbed girls hands when we've become comfortable. Sometimes I role play by calling them my girlfriend for the night or something. Maybe to keep another girl I don't like from hitting on me.

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Havent read most if this thread. How long have you been in the game? You know how long it too Tyler durden to get one lay? 2 years. 2 years. He hustled, abd continues to. You are just reaching sticking points. Do anything and everything in your power to get past them. Enough "practicing". Go out abd do anything to get s girl. Don't stop until you do that might mean going out 7 nights a week so hat you get one girl.

You have to understand this us also a number game if you are not willing to.out in the effort to talk to literally hundreds of girls to find only a handful then you will never get good. You do everything you can in your power the rest is random.

Read up on everything then go out abd forget everythibg. Go out with the intent to find a girl. That's all. Everything else will fall into place. Put real work into it abd have fun with it all. Enjoy yourself as much as possible. If you were having sex you'd never want to stop. You're in the pain period. The only way through it is through it.

http://www.theskillsmethod.com/how-to-p ... encounter/

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That's because Tyler Durden is shit with women, was shit with women and will always be shit with women.
The fact that RSD can largely admit that all of their non-Julien/Tim instructors are awful at fucking hot girls and convince guys to pay them $3000 for a bootcamp has always impressed me.

It should not actually take very long to get much, much better. Especially considering OP sounds like a normal guy. A lot of people who join the community are basement dwelling weirdos, so taking two years might indeed be par for the course. OP sounds like someone who should be enjoying a lot more success in just a few months.

What do you look like OP?
Age, race, weight, BMI, height.

Where in the US are you?

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RSDTyler

It's impossible to tell how someone will do and how quickly someone will improve over the internet.

It's kinda going right back to basics, but have you built any comfort/rapport with these girls?

That was the game changer for me when I read MM. I used to make out, get numbers and then no follow ups because we got too hot and heavy and she got buyer's remorse. People baulk at MM, but the fundamentals are solid.

As soon as I started to slow down ("hey, lets go somewhere quiet where we can have a conversation") and as soon as it was ME, the man, who was stopping the make out session first, my number of day 2s increased by like 200% probably.

I guess my biggest issue is with rapport. Maybe your right about slowing down and easing off of the making out. I do tend to get hot and heavy with girls the day I meet them.

Recently I was at a haloween party at a house when a HB10 not only threw me IOI's galore but she initiated the sexual contact by taking ME to a private place and jumped all over me. It was hot and heavy but I could not convert her to something more. She had asked me for drinks where we talked a lot and got to know each other but she ended up telling me when I went for day 3 that she wasn't looking to date at the moment and it doesn't help that she lives an hour and a half away in another state. She still texts me occasionally. I guess this maybe shows a blatant flaw in my rapport building.

However this past New Years I picked up a girl who is friends with my buddies gf and we were all over each other but she's actually getting REALLY comfortable with me. She texts a lot and is getting animated with me. Last night she said she couldn't get me out of her head.

Maybe it's not so cut and dry.

For the guy who asked what I'm like. I'm 5'10" black hair dark brown eyes. I say that I'd be a 7/10 aesthetically. That's my honest opinion. I tend to be the butt of an inside joke with my friends' girlfriends who think I'm good looking.

Looks are an asset to me and not something to overcome. I feel my improvement needs to come on the pure comfort building front which is an area of game that seems to be far more vague than others.

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It`s no accident that you feel that way if you ask me.

Always thought that there was some economic interest behind making these arts as uncrackable as you can imagine.

What I`m saying is that I know the feeling.

My take on this?

A few simple steps:

If you are not doing it yet, TAKE THE TIME to actually LEARN from someone.
This means you choose a method; RSD, Mystery, 60 years of challenge, whatevah.

Second of all: understand that your goals must be set at an achievable rank, DON`T SET GOALS TOO HIGH. If you do, you will be seeing zero results and won`t motivate you.

And third; like they advised on the above, stop trying to apply EVERY single step on your night outs, it`s basically impossible. It`s not an exam, you won`t loose the test and will have to study all summer again in order to approve.

You will loose some tests, shit tests that women give you, but that`s what you are here for in the first place. I`m barely starting to get comfty with eye contact at the moment, and that`s simply my goal now.

Once I master this shit, and I mean holding eye contact for more time than she does in every situation, I will move to the next step. Only then buddy.

Another good move to make is to remove distractors of your life, at this moment I erased my facebook account simply because I was wasting a lot of time in that page. It`s time consuming and if not used properly, the tool uses you.

Same applyies to your mind.