I sometimes run into stories about how the "average guy" (here in the US at least) is an AFC or doesn't have much experience with women. Yet on the contrary our society often ridicules the guy who graduated high school a virgin, hasn't had his first date yet, can't get laid, etc. But from my experience in real life it seems that most guys (I would say 80 percent) have had a girlfriend before, been on plenty of dates, and have had sex at least a few times before the age of 21. I can definitely confirm the girlfriend and dates part.

Just coming on to PUA forums and reading some stories online it blew my mind that 21 year old virgins even existed in a society where sex is promoted by everyone.

This just makes me question, do we sell the average guy short? Because I would estimate that at least 80 percent of the guys here in the US have

1. Been on a date
2. Had a girlfriend
3. Lost their virginity

by the age of 21.

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Hey man, here are some thoughts from my side... first of all, I view pick-up art as a way to excellence, therefore "average" doesn't quite cut it... if we, the members of PUA Forum wanted average, we would not spend our time learning, discussing and practicing pick-up... second, being on a date, having a girlfriend and losing your virginity before 21 is like getting your driver's license, everybody can do it... we are here to learn how to get any date with any girl we want anytime... that's way above average... and if some guys are yet to achieve those three milestones you mentioned, kudos to them for being here... they stand a much better chance to reach them after learning from the community...

Bottom line: yes, the community sells short "the average guy" and yes, he deserves to be sold short... he will remain average his whole life if he doesn't do something about it... while the under-performers of today could become the PUAs of tomorrow if they are willing to put in the hours and effort...

Paramount21, you worry way to much about unimportant shit.

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Normal guy is fine, community guys typically introverts that have no luck with women and are a minority in the real world, or got dump and are going through pain then join the community. Also, from western type countries. I really don't think puas have that much of an advantage with normal dudes in the majority of cases. There is a very small minority maybe about not even 5 dudes in the forum that are truly secret society.

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Anyways I have been doing some reading on this so called Secret Society and from what I understand almost all attractive women are a part of it. The guys who are a part of it are very few as it stated in the article. Which makes me wonder if you go can go some of the smaller cities and towns and not find any guys who are a member of the secret society.

I remember a poster on here saying rarely do AFCs turn into players through the community, they just become approach machines. If PUA isn't good enough to make a guy a part of the so called secret society I can only wonder what out there is outside of taking care of appearance.

The first part of your post is what I was afraid of. When I was sitting on here posting a lot months back I was always wondering what most other college guys were out there doing and if they were living up to the stereotype of the college guy. Seems like I was right afterall.

Looking at the bigger picture though, something tells me that there is just some event that happened in the life of a true "player" early on, I am talking teens or childhood, that caused him to get the "it" factor it takes to approach a lot of women. If you look at it, society already teaches men what is the exact opposite of game, school systems teach guys to be your typical "nice guys" and any sign of showcasing alpha male traits results in punishment.

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No.

School systems teach you to excel intellectually, live a balanced life (with sports, military training, play, exercise) and to conform to societal standards so you don't become a criminal. School systems teach you to be social (that's what the Junior and Senior proms are for and a load of other activities). They teach you survival, teamwork and to be be one with nature (that's what the boy scouts are for). School systems teach you be competitive while remaining polite and civil (that's what the intramurals are for, quiz bees, SATs and so on).

I got bullied twice in school. Once during kindergarten (maybe it was nursery, I can't exactly remember) and once during first grade. The bullies were the biggest guys and I was thin and skinny back then. During my first bullying incident, I wrapped a stone in my handkerchief and hit the bully right in the head. My punishment was several whippings on my hands. The bully got the same SPAM. All has been fair. The second incident, I chased the bully with a razor blade. My parents got called to the principal's office and so was the bully's parents. All has been fair.

I never got bullied ever since. And several other dudes became my friends.

The way you look at things determines whether you become an alpha male or a beta male; or a criminal. Stop blaming the school system for refusing to take action and improve your life.

Alpha males act and fix problems. Beta males simply whine and complain and do nothing to fix the problem.

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You wanna know what an alpha male to the community is? Some privileged guy born with a golden spoon in his mouth that had surgery to get good looks and has women falling for him so other guys kiss up to him and call him alpha.

Now back to the school system, it is more than just giving you an education and you have to be an idiot to not see it. You spend at least 6 hours of your day for the most of your life in school. Ever since the day you are born your teachers push you into being the typical nice guy and any attempt that is made at being this so called "bad boy" or alpha male is punished by phone call to the parents or serious discipline. Even something as little as not holding the door open for a girl and not acknowledging that girls should have special privileges compared to guys is considered punishable.

In the long run, after years of training, guys are beat into being the so called beta males that we all come to loathe. And if you fail to acknowledge that you are a dumbass. Schools just don't give you an education, they shape ever part of you. Who you hang around in school determines how you end up being as a person and has some influence on it.

And no, acknowledging that there are things in life like others having a tough hand dealt to them is not by any means a beta male move.

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You've been on internet forums for HOW long now, and you still haven't risen above that level of discourse?

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