Hi Everyone,

It's been a while since I dipped into the collective wisdom but I have a problem.

Back at university I used to be a nightclub dancer, you know those guys and girls that get paid to dance on podiums at nightclubs. It is not stripping! Let me make this clear, I’m not a great dancer and I’m not that good looking, but I can move ok.

So my conversational game is slowly getting better with practice, but I have a potentially useful DVH (dance skills) that I don’t really utilise.

Women will dance with me and have a blast, but they either think I’m gay or they have their flirty fun and don’t really want to talk too much after the dance floor. I sometimes even kiss girls and they don’t want to know me afterwards!

My question is should I just stick to conversation based game? Obviously everyone has a ‘social strength’ Mystery could do magic tricks, others read palms (which is great, I use it sometimes) others have ‘A’ grade canned material. My strength is on the dance floor. Should I ignore it and stick to conversation based DHV?

Any advice on how to weave dance skills into a routine and what stage in a set it should be introduced would be fantastic.

Hey man. I'm the same way actually, with the dance floor. When I'm "on", I'm fucking ON. I make magic happen with the girls on the dance floor. If that's your strength, then by ALL means use it. You CAN get the girls to move off the floor with you and isolate and all that good stuff from the dance floor. You've already got kino going, attraction building, you just need to show her that you want to build some comfort. That you want to get to know her just a bit. Maybe you could use a game to transition. Use either the 5 questions game, and have her to sit down with you so you two can "play" it, or use the marry, murder, shag game to transition off the dance floor. If that's your strength, don't shut it off man.

Yes, run game on them. Dance floor is for kino, get her used to touching you. Do not kiss her on the dance floor before you've run game, because you have not established comfort. I'd say do one or two songs, hopefully on the second song you'll be touching her and her you.

Of course you could just talk to them first, then somewhere in C1 or C2 ask them to dance. Then get off the dance floor and continue gaming.

P.S. Hey do you know how to do the "dip" move?

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First off, STICK WITH DANCING, kino has a very strong effect on women, but I think your problem is is push/pull. I'm not great at explaining it but here's a link to some of the best push/pull on the dance floor I've seen

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I was just like you- the floor was my only game.. and it owned it. But it's not enough. Sooner or later you have to be able to talk to them. This is what I have been working on. I have come a long, long way but still have a mountain to climb in this area..

It's easy to pick up girls on the dance floor. But it has become like a crutch, so recently, I stay off the floor and work on my conversational game. I still think being a good dancer is gold. For instance, IMO, it is a great way to transition a girl from the set to isolation-- she's more likely to allow you to lead her to the dance floor than she is to let you take her away from her friends to a corner of the club. Ask her to dance, lead her to the floor where she'll be pleasantly surprised when you dance better than anyone in the place, then lead her to isolation. Great way to transition.

And yes, women seem, in general, a little suspicious of men who dance well.. especially if you are a pretty boy.. Go ahead and let them think that.

Also.. In case you don't already, You have to wear white shoes, man.

It's great peacocking because women expect anyone wearing white dancing shoes to be able to tear it up on the floor. Women will pull you onto the floor if you're sporting them..

I'm picking on you today Roads, lol. Not really, but I do want to point something out.

You actually CAN kiss a girl on the dance floor, and STILL isolate her OFF the dance floor too. I've had make out sessions with girls on the dance floor, and still got them off the dance floor, got their number, blah blah blah.

P.S. Rhubard, welcome to the forum.

I find it best to open girls in other area's and then ask them to dance after running game on them for abit, sometimes they will ask me to go up to the floor with them. Thats where the real kino starts and a great place to get the kiss.
But it can be a great place before opening to DHV, show pre-selection and social proof. When i was dancing with this bird the other week my friend said all the girls eyes where on me, and i had girls open me afterwards. Depending on the club it can be great.

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The dance floor is referred to as a trap when you go out alone. This is because odds are a less then par chick will attempt to dance with you, and then you have two choices. Dance with her and look desperate, or don't dance with her and look like an asshole.

Now, if you're out at a club, and you open a girl, then bring her to the dance floor, and do a couple songs, then go back to conversation, I think you'll be fine. Just don't go out on the dance floor to meet people. Go out on the dance floor to DHV yourself with a girl you've already met.

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The dance floor is a trap and I avoid it. It's not a place to pick-up girls but rather a good place to build kino with girls. You can apply a variety of techniques to get a girl home with you but in loud clubs I prefer to put myself in positions where hot girls will have to be around me. I typically avoid the dance floor with loud music for a better location. I run a game in another area, and move her to the dance floor maybe for a song. Then bounce again outside for c1. The dance floor for the most part is a trap and although you can game in that trap with some success it's smarter to game in surrounding areas of the club.

If you're good at dancing and like it then I would take a dance class. It will be fun for you, impress girls, and result in many opportunities to me women.

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Tripp you bully, I'm telling Rye.

Hey, I have no doubt it works for you Tripp, after all...you're GOOD at this stuff! For the rest of us, I think that a simple kiss on the dance floor is just fine, but a full make out session? Kind of hard to elicit values or get her to qualify after you've been swapping saliva for ten minutes, when you've only known each other for fifteen. Of course, you'll pump her buying temp like crazy, so it must be very easy for you to insta-close her for a ONS. Just don't leave her alone, or some chump will swoop in and walk off with your terribly hot and bothered HB.

P.S. Nobody knows how to do the dip? Cmon, how about a uTube video or something...

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Eh, not necessarily true. I go out alone 99% of the time, and use the dance floor 95% of that time, lol. I've opened sets, built kino, built attraction, merged sets, played sets off of each other, and more all on the dance floor.

I've started with hot chicks, and I've started with ugly chicks. When I start with ugly ones, it gives me social proof and preselection with which I use to create a stair step type of effect and get the hotter ones.

In doing this, I've picked up HOT surgeons in training, who then introduced me to her whole group of other girls, I've gotten in the middle of b/day parties and becomes the center of attention, taking it away from the b/day girl (before I knew what their occasion was), etc.

The dance floor is only a trap if you allow it to be.
On the contrary, as I said, it's only a trap if you allow it to be. It CAN be a very productive place to pick up girls. I've done it many, many, MANY times. And, have taken the girls, and the sets off of the dance floor and talked to them from that point as well. It doesn't just stay on the dance floor, unless I let it stay on the dance floor. Which, of course, is my choice.

LOL, Roads, you use the kissing as push/pull as well. When she tries to go for MORE of a kiss, because she liked your kiss, you tell her that's all she gets for now, until she earns more. You'll get a surprised look from her, and for good reason. Because most guys wouldn't dream of doing that. Therefore, you've hooked her that much more. Then, you can take her off the dance floor for further progression.

Wow there is some great advice in there guys! Thanks so much.

White shoes do work a treat! I’ve also found imitating a girls moves while dancing next to her always gets their attention and a laugh, especially if you do it ‘sexier’ than they are, it can be used as a 'physical' neg.

The comfort point is very well taken, one or two songs then isolate for a chat. What’s a good line to get them off the dance floor with you?

What everyone seems to be saying the right approach for good dancers is:

A) If you have opened away from the dance floor get them out there quickly (3-5 minutes) to show your moves and DVH. The take girl off the DF for a glass of water using one of several lines (suggestions here please!). Your dancing DVH (and tasteful Kino) will only need to be supported by a quick ‘cube’, ‘palm read’ and one or two additional DVH’s. At which point C1 can probably begin once you have kiss closed.

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B) Meet / approach on the dance floor. Bust your moves, get some (tastefull) kino. After one or two songs isolate with the ‘I need a glass of water’ (or other lines we come up with on the forum now!). A little more DVH not dance related, then the switch to C1 can begin.

Please feel free to edit ‘A’ and ‘B’ to make them better (shouldn’t be hard for you guys!).

One more question, after you’ve kissed for a while should you go back to the dance floor? Or just look to move to C2 in a new location?

I am going to field test the crap out of this over the next two weeks and will report back with qualitative and quantitative data.

In the mean time I would love some lines for getting women isolated and off the dance floor without seeming like a creep! I will field test all reasonable suggestions!

Don't worry about going back to the dance floor unless SHE says she really wants to go for some reason and you can't redirect her.

For the last part . . . just take her hand and lead her off the dance floor. Maybe add "come here".

Hey Rhubarb,
Your topic intrigued me.
Dancing and nightclubs were always my best scene. Way before knowledge of game and pua.
An idea just jumped up to grab me, and I wanted to suggest that you broaden your skill with dancing and body movement to the conversational setting. I have had the pleasure of devloping alot of magickal ideas involving body movement, and thoughtwaves relating to rapport and unconscious persuaion/seduction, and perhaps you'l like my idea...

Rather than having to cut sick on the the dancefloor, these skills can be used under the radar wherever you find yourself. I like that you have copied others moves and enjoyed it, because personally I use that to single a girl out from the others. Almost instantly the target will feel a certain intrigue and want to give me her attention when I begin extremely subtle micromovements that mirror her state of mind. Taken to a level of mastery, its possible to move people around like chess pieces and even right into your arms.. (and bedroom)
Either way- if you have good body awareness and pizazz for movement, its totally possible to integrate this into any approach as I've found it builds incredible trust and can be used to lead the situation where you want it to move.