Hello,

Today I opened my first mixed set (2 boys and 1 girl) and used my first neg. This was my 7th open

OPEN
I went up to the set as if I was going to pass, then stopped and waited a second for them to stop talking before using my opinion opener (my friend wants to propose to his girlfriend at his HOUSE, should he do this?).

MID-GAME
They were receptive, I tried to focus on one of the boys but would answer the girl when she asked things. At one point she asked if I was really 'my friend', to which I answered no, I'm not getting married. She said that was good and I asked why (with some mock offence) and they laughed.

One of the guys said something about picking the right place for his girlfriend, not for him. I made a joke about home being the right place for him because of his playstation. They laughed again.

I asked them if I could test something out and asked one of the boys to choose a number from 1-1000. When he picked one I told him I knew it because it's the most common number. I asked for another and told him it was the second most common number (borrowed this from Neil Strauss). The girl commented on the fact that he was telling me the number out loud and I negged her with 'wow is always like this?!', this surprised her and she laughed saying 'what the f..k?!'.

I said let's do a game where they can't cheat. Tried another number game, failed and said the guy was cheating so let's try one he can't cheat. I tried the 5 wrong answer question game (you have to answer the question wrong 5 times - another from Neil). When we got to 4 I asked how many was that? He said 3. I said gotcha. They laughed, I said see you later guys and the girl shouted 'bye!' - making me think I'd hooked her and should have number closed.

Sorry for the essay. What should/could I have done to number close this?

Many thanks

Stop running canned routines and actually listen and have a genuine conversation with people. Ask them about themselves, how they meet, how he propose to his gf, his playstation, anything related to them to make emotional connection. Stacking routines after routines does not mean anything if you don't know how to use them to create comfort and attraction.

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Thanks for the reply. I'll try and use some normal conversation as well next time

Agreed with this.

Also, you stayed on your opener for wayyyyy to long man. This is why I hate canned shit. Your opener is just for that.... to open. Once you get in the conversation, change the subject. Have a normal conversation with a complete stranger.

Thanks Majikal

I've been reading The Mystery Method and The Rules of the Game and they have me thinking that normal conversation like that is boring, and you really need to be keeping it interesting with stories, using a neg or two, disqualifying, DHV, etc.

Have I taken the wrong message from these books and should still try normal conversations while using these tools, or are you saying drop these things and focus on chatting with the girl once opened?

The concepts of those books are not wrong, however most of the material is a bit exaggerate for selling points. It's okay to use canned routine, pick one you're most comfortable with and learn how to develop it into normal conversation.

EX: Chocolate, whipped or strawberries? -> her choice -> ask her why she pick it -> creating comfort by sharing your side of the stories -> ask more about why she feel certain way about her choice -> creating more comfort and attraction with sharing and teasing -> push it further for emotional connections

The routine or opener is just used to for the sake of starting a conversation, after that, you have to spend time getting to know the person, especially with day game. However, the big difference between how PUAs and AFCs handle this step is that PUAs know how to lead the conversation to the direction that they want whether it's to land a date or f-close.

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Thanks again GKS