HELP! LJBF after the kiss, deep talks and holding hands.WHY?



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:50 pm 
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I met this girl 4 months ago. We were both sending documents to cambridge. We immediately dived into a deep deep conversation. It was as if we had so much in common.
The girl is amazing: she‘s really cute, has a good figure, loves physics and technology (she even wanted to come to my house for us to assemble a metal detector), she‘s a musician and writes poems. That’s every guys dream. And she is so caught up in her science that she‘s lonely!
A weak later we met. We talked a lot, walked in the old city center, and had a picnic on the wall of the castle situated on the highest hill of the city. However the physical progression was difficult. As we met she even felt uncomfortable about hugging. So you can understand that trying to take her hand on that first date felt uncomfortable and unnatural, so I never tried.`
Her unwillingness to cooperate (the physical way) turned me off, so for some time we kept contact only by e-mail. We met again after 2-3 weeks.
On the second date we went to a secret room in the school where only couples go to kiss. If a girl aggress to go there with you, she is obviously into you. She brought some pillows to sit on, and I brought a laptop to watch a movie (romantic intelligent comedy). The plan was to take her hand and later kiss. However her body language was very defensive. She held her legs close together with hands around them. Mixed signals. It would felt unnatural if I tried to take her hand. Her mixes signals again turned me off, so we communicated only by e-mails once in a while.
A month later I was walking along an 8line highway near the school. She saw me from the different side of the highway. She went threw all the trouble running across this highway and running a good distance to catch me by surprise. We hugged and that felt very natural. We talked. She said she was going to meet her friends and that they were waiting for her. But I felt like I could do anything I liked with the girl and that she would talk with me as long as I wanted her to. A lot of IOS‘s, so I called that evening and invited her to meet The next day.
We were on a bus and I was telling her how I and my friend constructed a rocket. The thing I like about this girl is that as a physics she always seemed interested about technological topics (something that is a turnoff for other girls).But this drunken guy in the bus came to me and said loudly in front of everyone:
-You’re with a girl, stop telling her about rockets.
That was a shock. So I tried to be more sensitive: we talked about music, poetry and art. That was easy for me as I‘m studying architecture. We walked to a park. I decided – now or never. I took her hand. She actually felt comfortable with that. We walked for some time in the park. Then I stopped her, we hugged and then I kissed her. We made out several times. After that everything seemed very comfortable. We went to the art gallery, occasionally holding hand, had a really deep conversation about life, dreams, music and physics. Then the time came to say goodbye, I leaned to kiss her, but she turned her cheek instead of lips. I tried again-this time hitting the lips. But it was a sign that something went wrong.
Yap. That evening I received a message: „I‘m so angry about myself. I was looking for a friend and it‘s really interesting talking with you, and I missed you that month, but it shouldn’t happened this way, I‘m sorry. Could we be just friends and nothing more? “

Why? How should I reply?
And that‘s not the first time this happens to me. I find an intellectual girl: we have deep conversations, we hold hands, we kiss....and BAM...either she doesn‘t call at all or LJBF.
What went wrong in this situation?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 7:21 pm 
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I don't really have enough information about the first time you met to figure out what went wrong but it was there. Maybe the first time you met you didn't kino escalate showing an interest of more than friends. Also, I don't see you building attraction in the beginning. I see you too building comfort talking about stuff you had in common. When you start with comfort in the process you get hit with LJBF. .

You need to start with attraction, open, then neg, DHV, and look for her IOIs. Then go to your A3 with bait-hook-release and finally giving IOIs back.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:02 pm 
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I agree with smooth here. If you want to leave yourself some wiggle room, though:

'I'm not going to promise that. Friends don't put each other into boxes like that. The only thing I promise is that we won't do anything unless we're both totally comfortable, willing and ready' (Credit: Ross Jeffries)

This is a good one. It got me past LJBF with a hottie I met in the library. Full report, as well as fclose, pending - but it's a loooong story.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 9:31 pm 
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MM doesn't work very well with this type of interaction.

You did not present any challenge to her or to anyone else for that matter.

Why did you let some stranger tell you what to talk about?
You were enjoying it, she was enjoying it, enough said.

The term is wussy.... or AFC...

You tried to kiss her again after she rejected you? Why? Hoping that she made a mistake?

You were to easy. Notice when you ignored her, she wanted to be with you more..... Think about that, you still may win her back. Be a challenge. Tease her, have fun with her. When she feigns getting made at you, laugh at it.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:08 pm 
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Dude, this is gonna sound harsh, you've been on this forum for nearly a year, haven't you learned anything about the game?

This girl OBVIOUSLY digs you, she WOULD NOT go into the trouble of being around you so much just so she could have a science buddy. The problem is you were a complete AFC, and your value is lower than hers---so much so that DESPITE her desires to see you in a romantic light, her instincts give her no choice but to put you in a friend category.

You need to take the others' advice here and start gaming her, or at least being more of a challenge. SOI her by telling her that you both would be missing out on a lot if you were to limit the nature of your relationship by being only friends. TELL HER THIS! Push and pull her to build attraction, continue kino---you've already made out, surely holding hands and hugging is no big deal now---and make sexual references during your talks.

Also I apologize for my comments on the bus:
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But this drunken guy in the bus came to me and said loudly in front of everyone:

-You’re with a girl, stop telling her about rockets.
I was very drunk and lonely, and I hate to see an AFC game a HB. The thing is, it would have been SO EASY to turn the rocket topic into an innocently worded sexual innuendo...*sigh* opportunities lost...

GO GET HER TIGER!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:00 am 
Ok, YOU didn't control the frame, as evidenced by YOU following the direction the drunk guy. Also, it's obvious that you didn't escalate kino, and didn't build attraction overall. All of those things had to contribute to your present situation.


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