I don't know about tougher than Kezia. She's pretty bad ass. And I am a blonde
If they've got inner game, they're probably naturals. Just because someone doesn't look like Brad Pitt does not mean he's not incredibly successful with women. Confidence + Social Skills + Good Time + Challenge = Attractive.


Look. According to a scientific test analyzed by Carlin Flora in Psychology Today, if you ask 5,000 people what they find attractive, clear patterns start to emerge. Some things just are universally attractive because they point to hormonal levels in a partner. Flora uses the example of Angelina Jolie's lips indicate estrogen while George Cloony's jaw indicates testosterone. Men are attracted to women who look young (smooth skin, small sleek nose, high chin bones) while women are attracted to a more "adult" face (strong chin and nose.)

Yes, all this is true. But what you have to notice is... this study only covers what people THINK they are attracted to. You ask your mother what it means to be a good boyfriend, and she'll tell you a laundry list of "good traits" that will eventually make you a gentlemanly father. She won't tell you what she REALLY thinks because she probably doesn't know.

We are so conditioned by society. However, we are not conditioned to the point of no return. Who we SAY and THINK we are attracted to is so rarely the one we end up fucking at the end of the night.
I'm not going to "awww" you because you don't fucking want that. The thing is... yes. You have disadvantages. Life has kicked you in the balls. The wonderful thing about it is... it's your problem. Not anyone else's.

That sounds harsh and nihilistic, but think about it a bit and it becomes empowering. You have a shattered inner game. It happens. If you want success with women, real success past just the occasional N close, you have to really dig yourself. Women can smell weakness from a mile away. You're not going to become the best PUA until you locate the weaknesses in your frame... fix those problems first... rewire your attraction switches for yourself (yes, I mean exactly what I said there)... and then build your frame up from that point.

PM me if you want me to go into more detail.
Your last statement "I don't give a fuck what you think- all that matters is what I think" is incongruent with your previous statement "People don't treat me like shit but I'm scared because I know they'll see right through me."

You have to stop treating yourself like shit. That's the first step. Okay, you're great in bed, but you have to get them in there in order to see that. You can do it, if you just shut up about yourself, build a kick-ass frame, work on your inner game, and just have fun. It's called pick-up because we're picking people up from their shitty lives. You can't do that if you smell like ulterior motive.

You might want to consider talking to a shrink. I do. I used to kick my own ass to the point that I was my own obstacle. I sucked up my pride, and went to see an existential doctor so I could work out my shit. Smartest thing I've ever done. Just take that advice or leave it. It's your life. I say take care of it.

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Dude, sure. NP. You're right, you have to believe in yourself. PM me all you want. I'll do what I can to help, but I'll also point you to other resources as well.

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^Highly reccomended, great advice for everyone.

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Make that a wireless connection from NY to TO.

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^Highly reccomended, great advice for everyone.[/quote]

I love my shrinks.

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I love it

Is the "don't give a fuck" attitude for a guy an advantage? Also I wear my old wedding ring on a necklace to remind me of my heartache, is it a good conversational peice or should I lose it?

Hey Zip

I think im a fair looking guy, whats the difference between a belly hug from a girl than as to a hug around the neck.

You better give me some good advice or ill.. ill..

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AA what, Im full PUA NOW BIOTCH!!!

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Stealth, Zip already broke this down for you a bit, but I'm gonna give you some more perspective, mainly cause she asked me to take a look at this. You want inner game, right? You need to pick yourself apart and put yourself back together . . . the right way. Check my comments below.
Yep, it's kind of a good idea for us to keep abreast of the rest of the community . . . just as they keep up with what's going on with people like us. Know you're competition . . . and potential partners. Anyway, one thing about this . . . for future reference, unless that was a weak attempt at game, think about what you say before you say it. That's one thing that will blow girls out quicker than you'll know what's happening. You blurt something out that is just completely off base, and they don't know how to take it, and rightly so. They'll think "he's weird", and you're screwed. And, if this comment WAS an attempt at game . . . build a better arsenal . . . just wanting to help you man. As she already pointed out, if they have inner game, they AREN'T AFC's. Girls smell confidence a mile away. "Is confidence PLUS appeal what get's a girl to attract?" CONFIDENCE is the beginning of what will SOLIDLY attract girls. Add a solid mental frame to that, and you increase the IOI's you attract from girl's exponentially. Notice, I haven't YET said anything about your appearance. Depending on the type of girl you want to attract, your actual appearance will matter more or less. Some girls go for the grungy or dirty look. Some girls go for a cleaner look. But, it all starts with confidence and a strong mental frame. Which means, QUIT BEING DOWN ON YOURSELF.
The world will be down on you enough. DON'T ADD TO IT. Again, it partially depends on what type of girl you're looking for. However, there is something that runs even deeper. Your friend says she won't touch a guy with acne. Well, I would lay money down on the table that she could be proven wrong. If a guy has confidence, a strong mental frame, AND knows how to flip the attraction switches, I GUARANTEE she will at the VERY LEAST consider going home with him that night and fucking his brains out. Sure, she will go for her "type" quicker than a guy that's not her "type", but that by NO MEANS says that she can't be attracted to a guy that's not her type. It just doesn't work that way. When you flip the attraction switches in a girl, she WILL feel attraction, regardless of whether she acts on it or not. Disadvantages??? HA!!! Give me a guy that has a million dollars and give me a guy that lives with his parents . . . and with all else being equal, I could get the guy living with his parents set up in MLTR's faster than the millionaire. Obviously the millionaire could accomplish it too, but that's not the point. Disadvantages only hold you back if YOU hold yourself back with them. You're right in that you're limited to what you can do. BUT, you have no idea what you really CAN do because you're holding yourself back. Don't worry about what others think about you. They don't lie in bed at night thinking, "did you see what he did or hear what he said to me today?" No, they are thinking "I hope I didn't fuck up when I did this and said that." They are more concerned with themselves than they are with you. So, don't worry about their opinions of you.

And, your statement . . . "Might be true unless it's not" . . . goes along with the other incongruencies Zip pointed out. Those six words couldn't be more incongruent. And, that's fitting a pattern that you show throughout your post. Got to get yourself straightened out man. It'll be hard, I promise you that, but it'll also be worth it. TRUST ME. It will take a big commitment from you . . . TO YOURSELF . . . but when you succeed you'll be living a life that right now you aren't even dreaming of.

So . . . will it be worth it to you to put the effort in?

Pity dates on Tuesdays, eh?

Say you're on one of your "pity dates" and everything goes, well, OK. I mean, the guy is a gentleman but he doesn't necessarily knock your socks off. At the end of the date, he leans in for the goodbye kiss. Do you give him the cheek or do you humor him?

If he's on a pity date already, I've told him we're just going out to dinner to see how it goes. I'll give him an honest shot. I used to humor him because I was deeply afraid of ruining someone's day or upsetting him. Hey, it's my fault if I didn't like him.

Wrong. I accidentally ended up leading men on, and I didn't know why it was happening. Now, at the end of a date... if the guy hasn't completely blown me away... he gets a handshake if I never want to see him again, or he gets to give me a kiss on the cheek if I would like to be friends.

You know what, even if he has blown me away, I usually won't give him a kiss on the first date.

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Depends. If you have some kick ass DHV story about the ring, fully fleshed out with imagery and it's been successfully field-tested about 20 times... by all means, keep on wearing your old wedding ring.

However, if that is not the case... absolutely not. Take it off. It's an albatross of bad vibes hanging from your neck. Plus, I'm trying to put myself in a bar... I'd totally think it's creepy, and I certainly would ask about it. Then, I'd run away from you.

An internal "don't give a fuck" attitude is fantastic. You can't care about taking women home because they will smell ulterior motive.

Now, you have to be careful about a "don't give a fuck attitude" in your game. It's fine with a smile, and you have to reward her with "giving a fuck" when she deserves it.

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You'll... you'll... what? I'll... I'll... make fun of you for not using proper capitalization and punctuation.

Depends on height and whether or not she's giving you the dreaded patty pat (you know, the bro pat on the back.) Say she's not giving you the pat of death, and she's not way shorter or taller...

Don't look so much into a belly hug vs a hug around the neck. The teller is if she brings her lower body in to meet yours. This is usually accomplished when she hugs you tightly around the neck, bringing her pelvis in to touch your lower body. However, I've done the same thing around a guy's belly. More so with the neck hug.

The "Lovers of Valdaro" are hugging criss crossed around the neck and upper back. That should tell you something.

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If a guy and I are really vibing, and I know he's using some techniques on me... hell, I won't stop the interaction. Why would I? I'll IOI all day long, but only if the guy deserves it.

If a girl is calling you out (in a IOD way,) it's not because you're gaming her... it's because she could tell it was unnatural or sensed something about your body language and decided to shit test you.

My knowledge of the game only makes me appreciate interactions between people more and more.

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Dear Zip,

1) What are some things you say to a guy on a date when you are getting creeped out but want to retain the appearance of being polite? How about body language.

2) Why do girls have these huge purses and bags nowadays? Do you guys keep tasers and pepper spray in them or something?

3) Say I was too self conscious about doing the low back pain, extreme low back pain, ground beef, and missionary on the dance floor. Would rocking side to side with my hands on her sides, or a more traditional dance posture be suitable as substitutes? Also, you should describe that dip move you mentioned earlier in more detail, I tried it and almost chucked this girl across the dance floor. (Don't worry, she forgave me when I blamed it on the erroneous advice some lady gave me online.)

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Zip- Thanks again for answering all these questions. It's quite valuable to hear a woman's perspective.

I cannot recall the thread, but there was a post about a PUA who approached a woman and said something to the effect of:

"Excuse me. I happened to notice you as I walked by. I'm in a big hurry and don't have time for small talk, but would like to take you out."

He hands her a pad and pen and gets her number.

What do you think of such a direct approach? Do you think this would actually work?