My thinking was - introducing yourself/or even just saying hi -very- briefly with a casual smile, but obviously not going so far as to inquire- "are you two an item?" That way there's ambiguity and you can be socially excused for trying to pick up the girl. This also serves the additional purpose of potentially disarming a quick-tempered meathead-type boyfriend. If I hadn't introduced myself to the guy and ignored him right from the start, then his fuse (and subsequently the onset time to cockblock) would be quicker.

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[/quote]My thinking was - introducing yourself/or even just saying hi -very- briefly with a casual smile, but obviously not going so far as to inquire- "are you two an item?" That way there's ambiguity and you can be socially excused for trying to pick up the girl. This also serves the additional purpose of potentially disarming a quick-tempered meathead-type boyfriend. If I hadn't introduced myself to the guy and ignored him right from the start, then his fuse (and subsequently the onset time to cockblock) would be quicker.[/quote]

I completely agree with you man. It's just, how would you go about getting the number from there with him present. As you probably already know, most boyfriends, (even the meathead ones) are clingy as fuck. Like flies to shit, it's hard to lose them. And unless you can pull some Mystery shit like what he did to Scott Baio in "The Game", I just don't see how you could get her number, let alone physically escalate, DHV, and eventually get your tongue down her throat. I mean, there IS a chance that he'll go off to the bar, or talk to a friend, unintentionally giving you the window you need. Just like there's a "CHANCE" that the movie "RIPD" won't suck camel cock...

End rant.

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"Take your last chance. It's not the end..."

i heard this from a natural and used it myself and it works.

"i'm not jealous"
Thank you! love it

If he's not there, I'd reply with a joke.

HB: I've got a boyfriend actually.
Me: Oh? Where is he? Baking you cookies?

It's simple, a little demeaning with no real threat, but obviously a test.

I just reply with something like "I have a bike, but i don't ride it", with big smile In 90% works, other 10% are really loyal...

How about this one? This is just to continue the conversation after this and go on the gues that shes lying and testing you.

If you can think of some other scentences but for the samae context great!

you: say something really really stupid for example: ''Did you know pinguins often ride on a dolphins back and they just go round and round together?''
She: ''Whut?''
You: ''Oh sorry I thought we were just talking about nonesense/bullshit/imaginary stuff''

"Good, he can buy us drinks"

I wouldn't use what my friend used

Potential neg

"Is he blind?"

Tell her you got a Goldfish, or that you like dinosaurs.

Here's an idea. How about walking away and having a bit of dignity? You can't always get what you want. If she says she has a boyfriend why not leave it at that? Maybe she said it because she actually DOES have one or maybe she said it because she doesn't like or fancy you?

Everything is always about what YOU want isn't it. No matter what the girl says you're so desperate you'll think up everything under the godamn sun to get YOUR WAY. It doesn't matter what the girl says because YOU completely ignore it. It's all about YOU and as a man you have every RIGHT to get what you want. You'll bully, harass, won't take no for an answer to get someone who has made it very clear that she doesn't even fucking fancy you. The signals are there but you think you're so fucking superior that she WILL go out with you and like it whether she wants to or not. Me man. You woman. I want you and no matter what it fucking takes I will have you and then when you do get them you don't even know how to have a fucking relationship with them. You're all so pathetic it beggars belief.

'no one is perfect' thats my reply

I like Preston's responses, gonna remember them.
I like the social intelligence you display as well. I just had a thought: your skill in gaming equals your social attunement or your skill in handling and navigating social situations to your benefit or positive result.

Someone who would be socially attuned would naturally feel a higher level of confidence; confidence therefore reflects your social skill.

Any skill can be trained, which is why this site exists. You don't need confidence to start training, because confidence is what results from your training! In particular we speak about the social skill of communicating sexual interest through body language.

"no, really - what's your number?" communicates on a sub-level "i don't care, i still want to fuck you" but you speak it nonverbally. The verbal content on the verbalized level serves to communicate your interests on a lower level and so you are really nonverbally communicating your interest. Even as you speak. Particularly as you speak.

The nonverbal level cannot be resisted or refuted by verbal content. She can't say "sorry, I don't want to fuck you" because you'd smile and "did you want that? " and you'd be all over her in no time.

So she is also nonverbally communicating her responses. Which is why the interaction between guy and girl happens completely on a nonverbal level and you have to master that to master your game.

Therefore the best study you can possibly undertake is the study of body language. Nonverbal communication. Women reportedly have about 4 times the brain size dedicated to automatic body language processing than do men; except for actors and artists.

Here is a free book on body language btw: http://westsidetoastmasters.com/resourc ... e/toc.html

Back to the "I have a boyfriend" line.

Some guy used this response:

"There's no point in turning me down for a position I'm not applying for, now is there?"

She'll definitely smile!

Great advice. Seeing as most PUAs are 6'3" beefcakes, they won't get their asses beat senseless for trying to pick up someone else's gf in front of them.

PS. I'd be entertained to see some footage of you trying to pick up girls in front of their BFs.

You know what, you're right. But here's the thing. A girl actually likes it when a guy does this (and does it well). A girl loves to be seduced. So when you're talking about "what the girl says" you are talking about her preconditioned responses that say "I'm not a slut, so you can't have me without a fight". In this culture of ours a girl MUST defend her sexual integrity in the eyes of her peers, coworkers, family members, and so on. She cannot be seen as "easy" or "cheap". She certainly cannot be seen as "slutty" or "a whore".

Have you ever considered that girls don't like this any more than we do? As guys? We have a preset social reality that we have to navigate. Girls play their role, so that leaves guys to play their role as well. And this role happens to be the role of the predator who will try to 'conquer' the girl. This role fits as the 2nd half of the medal to the role the girl is playing, the "I will not give up easily my sex".

I am curious as to what you would answer to that situation. What is your alternative for being a Man?

The alternative is not having her BF go after you when you keep harassing her.
The scarf and the fedora won't save your ass from a pissed off boxer. Unless you did some karate when you were a kid of course.

You're calling it harassing. If it's harassing she won't like it anyway and she'll ASK him to get rid of you.

If she needs to ask her bf to protect her from you.... well my friend, you haven't been doing much right in that case. She doesn't even like you. She hasn't been laughing with you. You haven't made fun of the situation. You haven't disarmed her. She has raised all her defenses against you and you have been much too forceful and socially ignorant (ignoring the no-go areas set by social standards) to get closer to her.

WTF you doing I don't know, but if this is your perception of what "gaming" is like, then you're a real bad player.