A lot of men seem to think that men that are very good looking have it easy, when it comes to getting women. Let me tell you why this is not true.

1. Women tend to assume that a guy who is super good looking is probably a "Player"

The reason for this is because they make the following false assumptions...

A. Women just throw themselves at him-UNTRUE. Women factor other things on top of solely looks to determine a guy's sexual worthiness and attractiveness.

B. The hunky dory guy takes advantage of this. This is not always the case!

So how does this present itself as a problem to a good looking guy?

Well because women have this false notion, they tend to be very weary and hesitant of getting into bed and even more so a relationship with such men. The guy has to do extra work to prove that he ain't the "archetypal" hunk whose life is one big sexcapade. and to earn a woman's trust.



2. The other "weakness" of very good looking men is that most of them only rely on looks and rarely develop any "social prowess, conversation skills or their personality". Once again, this backfires on them as they are only able to attract a "select few" women but not all. Remember what is hunky to one woman may be hideous to another. You cannot rely on something as "subjectively interpreted" as looks. You should work on developing traits that are "universally" attractive and learn how to talk to women, engage them, emote them and make them feel tingles down their spine. In fact a guy who is "so so" in looks, with "charm, personality, confidence, prowess" can bed and date way more hot, high quality women than his hunky dory, poster boy counterpart.


My point- develop yourself from within and the rest will take care of itself.

Until next time, get out there and be a man

Omar
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Sorry bro while once again I feel you've made good points you made one big awful one once again.

I'll be more descriptive you seem to have limited insight into courtship and a woman's perspective.

A woman doesn't assume a man who is good looking is a player. That is an asinine statement in my opinion.

A man's looks have zero to do with anything other than aesthetic value, even this is a limitation in the eyes of women(as you did allude to). On the other hand a man can be so good looking he is intimidating for women, this is similar to a man being so "high value" based on his fame or whatever that a woman is intimidated to him. To compare this happens to men all the time by the sexy "high value" women (as you put it).

A woman has intuition... what this means is she seems to just understand people. A man represents himself as player not by just his looks but his demeanor... his body language, behaviors, his confidence, how he talks to women, etc. She has experienced multiple men that behaved the same way, and to this she attributes "player" behavior.

Looks aren't the only thing that is subjective...relative... so is a sense of humor, knowledge, etc.... don't limit her thinking your hideous from a looks perspective as it all refers to your behavior and personal traits... it's fine that you're not everyone's cup of tea... In fact it's down right awesome to realize the fact that you are amazing the way you are but you won't always be their cup of tea.

My question to you is where on earth did you came to this realization that a good looking guy is always thought of as a player? Rather than realize she was simply analyzing and comparing to past "players" behaviors subconsciously through what we refer to as women's intuition.

Peace and Love,

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Sorry bro while once again I feel you've made good points you made one big awful one once again.
Vic, my experience is not limited at all. That made me laugh. I am quite savvy in matters of self mastery, life, love, sex, social dynamics, behavioural psychology, NLP, mentalism, philosophy, metaphysics, etc. I used to court like a Casanova women since the age of 18, even had my share back in the day of attached, married women that were VP's, CEO's, sugar mommy types.. I am 38. I have a license to "PIMP" as long as I have a license to drive my man. lol . You should be careful to make such judgement calls and all the while using "absolutes" as in

You're right
You're wrong
You are limited


That is ONLY YOU'RE Perspective.

Now I perhaps should have said to calibrate for the "VIC's" in my life, something like this.


Based on the countless conversations I have had with women here is what I had noted
when I ask them about how they feel about super good looking guys like Colin Farrell or Gerard Butler.


In fact i knew Gerry and Colin were players....I just could pick it up from their facial expressions, mannerisms expressed in photos, body language, etc.


The fact is that they are....

Once again, this is from my own experience and no one can take that away from me.


I also have had women not think a guy was a player. The subject of my article was that
its not all peaches and creme if you are simply a Good looking guy and that's all you have going on for you.

This is from the accounts of men I know that are good looking, yet lack game because they only rely on their beauty being considered as such in a few select eyes, rather than developing universally appealing traits that all women respond to. It is also from my personal accounts of women that when shown pictures of Gerry, Colin, Orlando Bloom, etc have told me --"Player, unfaithful, party type, etc".

My next question was, would you date him? They said..most likely not.

I am just telling you "FACTS" based on my convo chief!
You made another absolute, statement my friend when you said "A WOMAN DOESN'T ASSUME blah blah blah" Do you represent the psychological make up of all women. You can say "Many women I have spoken to and interacted with". I can tell you many women that think super good looking guys by the mere virtue of their looks are players. Yes I know its dumb but that is the way these women think. Unfortunately I have met some of them

Do you know what 4 billion globally think like Vic? I think not. Nevertheless I appreciate your opinion.



I agree with you on this.

No doubt about this but I am talking right off the cuff, many women,once again from my experience when they spot that hunky dory guy they do have a propensity to assume that he gets a lot of pussy and hence have some trepidations about getting with him for anything more than a one night fling if that. Yes his mannerisms and all are things to be more heavily judged.Agreed but many are dumb and superficial and "bastardize" such a guy just off his looks. I have met many idiotic women like this. I do agree that other things should be factored in, Very similar to women. I never tell my clients to assume good looks on a woman = high status or high self esteem. I mean how many times have you told an attractive girl that she looks pretty or cute in a new dress or with a new hair style and she says "Stop it, I look disgusting today". I think that a woman who is a bona fide 10 is one who has the attitude and beliefs to back it up, on top of the "aesthetics" as you mentioned earlier.

Agree but for the most part, confidence, dominance and leadership are universally attractive to the "Reptilian Brain" . All women have this brain and respond in the same manner. Not all women respond to the same "look". That was my point about subjectivity.
Already answered this.


By the way read this from men's health magazine from a woman

http://www.menshealth.com/sex-women/why ... ooking-men
Peace and Love,

Vic

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Since that "I have a globally revered business" line has been edited out, I still want to make a point from a neutral statistical POV based on Alexa.

More people trust Vic's website and it ranks higher by roughly around 800 thousand steps compared to Omar's website.

Omar, you came in here bashing the entire PUA community. When you got called on your bullshit, you threw temper tantrums at us all until your shit hit the ceiling fan. That wasn't a smart marketing move even when you're allowed to post direct links to your website. I guess you got the necessary permission to post direct links and hopefully, you're paying the proper advertising fees so this website keeps on running.

Some rightfully observed that you have weak inner game. I think you have a weak street game as well. All you have is marketing hype as some of the smarter members of this forum pointed out in some of your threads.

If you have nothing good or brilliant to say, say less so you'll sound mysterious and people might think you're a smart dude. If you were kind to the community in the first place, then perhaps we would have been kind to you as well and would have supported your business.

BUT you negged the men around here in hopes of hooking up with you because you're down. Make up your mind. Either you focus on getting more visits to your website or drool at the thought of sucking PUAs' cocks.

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You've interpreted your experiences... gave meaning to events that doesn't make them facts. WTF? Yeah you've had a fair amount of experiences... no one said you didn't... I on the other hand am very science orientated... So I've actually just studied and didn't create hypothesis on my experiences... hence the name of my site as eloquently pointed out Science of Natural Game.

An assumption that all very good looking men are assumed as players by women is asinine... think about it man... You apparently know what 4 billion women think like but I don't? Is this not the behavior of someone quite arrogant... Yes I've studied the psychology of women, evolutionary theory, why women have sex, how they think, how they behave... I understand how people make decisions, I understand human emotion, I understand a lot more than you seem to with your ridiculous statement...

It would seem that based off of my wide array of reading your are very far off on this point... I've studied how anthroplogist, biologist, and zoologist see how people behave in courtship... and yes you have much more to read then teach.... you have 9 years on me and seem to be some pages behind me...

Note: I've also read and study a small amount of each topic you mentioned.

BTW no need to list off your experience or qualify your words tell me your story... your ability to fuck women is not what I made comment on.
Your ability to fuck women is not your insight into women or courtship(which does sound crazy).

I know tons of men that have fucked tons of women... that doesn't make them understand women, in fact most of them are quite narcissistic and just don't have a clue wtf women want, don't care. The best naturals I know have zero insight into women and simply understand a few key behaviors that produce regular results when it comes to getting laid. They didn't know how women thought, what made them tick, they simply didn't give a fuck.

You've made some valuable points but.... as I stated that is a bold asinine statement yet you come at me with your statement. Keep this on topic we aren't talking about your concept of my beliefs.... I'm not going to argue with you about my mindset... I understand it due to a lot of work and effort.

We are however going to talk about your bold ridiculous statement:
It's simply untrue... and as I said... a woman analyzes your behaviors and compares them subconsciously.

Yes a woman analyzes your body language in a matter of seconds... your vocal pattern... she doesn't need much to make a judgement on you.... she can judge whether you're confident simply by your posture, eye contact, your voice, etc.... How do I know this? I can instantly do this (come on you wrote mentalism dog... a basic part of mentalism is reading body language), women are naturally better at it... No one disagreed with gaining substance my argument was very specific to your statement "1. Women tend to assume that a guy who is super good looking is probably a "Player" "... I said one huge point that was wrong... Most women assume only off of behavior and even this is subconscious.

Another I find that you have some serious limiting beliefs is when you say bull shit like bona fide 10... oh k... those of us who respect and love women don't grant them a numerical rating... what good does it do anyways? Ratings are again relative to perception thus... if you seen a girl who you thought was a "10" I may say nope she isn't perfect bla bla bla...

No one is against Self-confidence, dominance or leadership... they are all assets every man should have.... however I said sense of humor and knowledge were relative... and subjective.

Note: Be careful how you say confidence... I had confidence driving before I ever had confidence talking to women... I had confidence walking before that.... and confidence talking.... but not to women... You see?

Note: I also wrote all of this as MY OPINION. Making it not absolute... Please learn to read more carefully sir.

Peace and love,

Vic

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Alexa rankings or results don't mean shit. I get massive seminars globally sold, each month.
Why don't you ask me for a copy of my SPAM statement or my back end Dashboard of MY CMS
that records each sale?

I also was hit heavily by Google's Penguin 2.0 update and I am rebuilding good quality links and such.
To get me back to the top. Don't worry I will be dominating real soon.

You have no idea about my social prowess on the streets. so stop judging. A foolish man is one who undermines and underestimates another based on his own perceptual, limiting filters of the world, of others and such. That is a sign of immaturity, ignorance and a lack of social, emotional intelligence sweetheart!

How about this, if you are in Toronto, Call me 647 955 0494.
I will challenge you and your 10 boy friends to a street seduction UFC type sparta, Warrior match.Winner takes home the prize(me or my trainers)and losers "gag, puke, spit on my cock" the way scores of women have done for me in the bedroom over the last 18 years or so.

I am not just into "Fruitcake type lays that many of you chronicle.
Boss, I am used to women, "Puking, vomiting, gagging, slime out of their noses, throats" onto my balls and cock probably before you even knew about this PUA fratboy crap.

I also used to have an adult site back in 2006, called Maaximum Butts.
#2 on Google, worked with a few models/actresses that worked with Rodney Moore and Seymore Butts.
No child. I didn't pay for play either. sure some got $40/$60 for scenes, but nothing compared to the compound money/profit I made. In year, I was able to "Street seduce, convince" 150 women to model, do POV type scenes with me. But I bet you and anyone can do that, right Charlie?


There are some videos on my youtube channel -that suggest I do have massive street game. Now, those videos are super old as in 2006, 07. My prowess now is "Virtuoso Warrior" like. I say Warrior Charlie because
unlike the childish, foolish, illiterates like yourself who can probably only pick up, hill billy jim quality, tarty club girls. Omar and his global trainers of which by the way include many TOP VOTED PUAs like Artisian PUA and others have been pimping for years before the PUA community even existed. haha. That is why it makes me laugh when I see a community created by a bunch of social misfits, World of Warcraft nerd types, with over compensating scents of insecurity try to lecture me.


Ask anyone who has seen me in action or one of my trainers and they will believe in the Matrix

Read the reviews on our site and such.


Also, might I add NOT 1 bad report in puahate.com or ripoffreport.com
Not one other PUA faggot, fraud outfit can say that. There are loads of complaints about how
trainers got rejected in set, how they were stupid, unintelligent, didn't give any deep, viseral
strategies, content. Are you fucking kidding me? of course I am fucking pissed and mad
but then again I am a super passionate, eccentric, bad ass type of character like Gary Oldman in State of Grace.
That is why "The bitches love my mushroom tip in 'em sugarwalls, day in and out brotha" haha!

Also, Stanley I am not concerned about marketing to you, getting traffic from her or any other PUA fratboy community. I get a much more greater demanding, intellectual, mature type of client base from many sources that if all of you perished in some Flame war somewhere, I would be around to still get my dick hard, wet, gagged on and spit shined over and over again.


Please refrain from making stupid, illiterate judgement calls . You don't know me boy. Let's keep it that way.
Once again, if you or your fratboy boy friends are ever in Toronto, call me if you want to see how I open, close, engage the toughest highest quality, most intelligent, hottest, bitchiest women, irrespective of the social venue, their socio economic differential, personality type, value system, race, color, culture, etc


We don't just pick up easy n sleasy, 1/2 price Chicken Wing night special Christina Applegates, we physically, intellectually, logistically, emotionally, educationally, spiritually FUCK THE MINDS of the highest calibre of women and also out shine most men. That is a FACT. I am going to show all ye on video very soon, once I get an answer to my thread about recording live in field video.


Did you say SUCK PUA COCKS.
You are amazing with the ladies aren't you. I can tell! What amazing English skills and
an exhibition of unprecedented verbal jousting prowess, Wow. You would make
Even Christopher Hitchens proud if he was alive .

Listen, Banana Republic Boy- I am the throat poker here-FACT, FACT , FACT. Read below!
I poke, you choke. Got it
Don't ever undermine that dynamic that exists between
your kind and mine. Once again Women gag , puke, slime on mine.

My sex life is legendary, nasty, filthy, etc

I don't just have coitus and eat pussy little man!. You must be just starting out......ah Now I get it!

My sex life is chronicled with messy, gag, pukey, face fucking, slime bubble stringy
Bj,s, getting my dick gagged on by 2 women, having 3 different play partners
in a day come over to my place and get it on with me(Not too often) but it has
happened enough times to make such legendary, dirty videos, choking women
smacking them, rubbing my cock on their eyes, spitting on their eyes, etc


I don't just lay, eat pussy Banana Republic Boys!

This takes massive logistical prowess, an avant garde genius and shape shiftingt
skills with women, especially to get the typical good girl, soccer mom type or
high level executive to become a "Piss bucket and cock gobbling machine" just
because she wants to please you and to condition her to do that.

Women want an animal who will verbally abuse them, role play with them
dominate them, spit on them, slap them, throat fuck them.

That is where Daddy Maax comes in.


So don't talk to me about me lacking anything. You don't know me

Once again, I challenge you to a mature discussion by phone, by SPAM
On the streets an I will have videos to prove my and my trainers unparalleled prowess
not just on matters of love, inter sexual communication mastery, but on self, life mastery
and many other facets of the world that only a real, masculine, debonair MAN would know
not a fraboy


Ah I just farted ahhhhh

Thanks for relieving the gas from my stomach after my UFC intense Warrior workout.

That's what I needed.


BTW Do you workout, train like a Warrior/Cross fit, plyometrics, compound /functional strength training, combative, Mui Thai, Grappling, boxing, kick combos? I do and I put the fear of God in men at the Gym when I train. I am a bona fide 10/10 Warrior and when people meet me they feel that Ghenghis Khan type of vibe!




You should, it will make you and all of you real MEN. Don't talk to me about shit unless you train like I do and have had the legendary life, sexually as I did, do and will. All can be factually proven, backed up, and the talk all walked.

Once again, realize this. I am Max Hardcore's worst nightmare. That is what I am sexually to a woman, an unmatched, unparalleled, Christian Grey that will take her to places most PUA faggots can't.

Listen Charlie, having sex and eating pussy is for my grand parents. Pussies do it.


Try smackin' 'em around, spitting on 'em, gagging them, having them choke on their spit as they are gagging on your cock and looking up at you. That is my life for 20 years faggot.


Of course you need to have enough game to get a woman to want to be this and act like this for you and receive pleasure in doing so.


Anyways, you take your opinions and do what you have to with them. I am not engaging you in this PUA fratboy flame war. This is what many of these faggot, beta drone like communities are known for. Ie inspiring the rebirth of the KEyboard jockey. We agree to disagree. Who cares, fuck it. I am too busy training MMA/UFC, running 2 globally successful businesses, meeting, seducing women, spending time with my family, loved ones, establishing new goals, reading, educating myself about the world, helping others.

I ain't got time or the low level mind for a childish piss contest on a fucking Message board.

I only will listen to someone and take them seriously if I can see them and they establish credibility
like me and my trainers. I am using my real pic in my avatar, no one else is? Who is being transparent, and non pussy footing and manly? Who was willing to offer up their number on here? I just gave it out like free pizza . I have called out the PUA community on boards, Facebook, with challenges, beat downs, debates and NOT ONE "COCK GAGGING FAGGOt" called me or accepted my challenge. I walk my talk brother.


So don't chastise me Charlie Brown! AH another fart......ahhhh thanks you are boring me so much that all the gas is coming out.....Enjoy sucking each others dicks, trolling, flame war engaging and fight mongering on this fratboy community.. I have more masculine, mature, responsible things to do. Take care kids!


NOTE: I do have a very strong inner game and outer game. I am very calm, respectful, civil, courteous, honourable and actually going to help my beloved parents with their Gardening and help out. I love animals, people, children, love to give money to the poor and disenfranchised. I just have a fucking anger issue, You are right, probably with PUAs and these boards. I used to belong to a lair in Toronto and all of the fratboys would suck each others dicks, flame wars, trolling, keyboard masterbating, are you fucking kidding me. I made a decision then to get out of my house and learn "LIVE" how to better my condition and in fact to fucking own it and I did. I'm sorry I have an incredibly prejudice and distaste for the PUA community and for any related community that emphasises that ridiculous idea to look at women, dating and such as some sort of "Video Game or "Kill em" game". I have a few friends that recommended to check this forum out and a few others so I thought why not join, see what's up and to write here and there. Besides that, I'd rather watch paint dry or live my life, run my businesses, meet women, spend time with loved ones than engage in this never ending ferocious troll war inviting portal.

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Very impressive. Those were women from Harvard? Man, I think you're the boss.

On topic: I think The Chief created a thread that would address problems like being too good looking, etc., here: microcalibration-vt158332.html

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this guy talks friggin stupid. He wants to challenge 10 of your boyfriends to street game, and the losers spits on his cock? How long does it take the guy to type this stuff anyway.

Man, you really are a badass at MMA. I found your Youtube video, here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfdMYrrC8Qw[/youtube]

You're a monster at many martial arts skills.

On topic: I think the reason why being too good looking will backfire on some guys is that women might think they already have everything so these guys will probably have small cocks.

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How about all of you talk about "content" instead of derailing the topics god! Discuss the message, instead of attching the messenger... To he op, a rich man does not have to constantly say he is rich... You do need to be qualifying yourself so much...

Anyways back to the topic, this is the problem i have seen with good looking guys, now there is a difference between good looking and an attractive man....

A lot of really good looking guys (i know many that don't get laid), is that they are not attractive, and has NOTHING TO DO with being perceived as players... For example, some good looking dudes are needy, which is a turn off....

Second problem i have experience with really good looking dudes is the sense of entitlement(which is good in a way), but sometimes for example at the club they expect the women to open them, do the talking and close them, again nothing to do with being a player.


player or no player, the whole argument imo opinion is kind of silly.

Women will judge you on how you behave, how other people treat you, and how you treat yourself....(Mark Manson). This will apply with being a provider, lover, bf material, player, chode, rich etc...

The goal of anybody aspiring to be good at seduction is to maximize the looks potential. Actually the good legit seduction coaches should make that their main focus that is why i like (Mark Manson, sleazy, wm, good looking losers etc...)...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYzj4m138WQ[/youtube]

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Gentleman, I do want to say that after examining what has been said and done
I see that I may have acted in an abrasive manner. I didn't mean to offend any
of you nor speak with such a "bashful" tone. I think there is room on this planet
for all of us, for all of our institutions and concepts/ideas. I also think that this
discussion forum is a place whereby we can exercise our civil liberties, freedoms
of speech, expression and say what we want, without having to get into a
war with each other.


I'm sorry but the human race is killing itself physically over seas and culturally, spiritually
on the home front. We need each other more than ever, at this moment in time.

You guys can bash me all you want on here, if you wish. However I don't want to and will never
be so ferocious or venomous in my rebuttals or engagements with you all, again.


I think you are all marvels of the Universe and I honestly, with the most
humility ever. With all of the pride, ego and all of that bullshit which has never gotten
man anywhere on the shelf, I say this. I do love you all and wish nothing
but health, wealth, happiness, love and fulfillment to all of you.


I also will respect this board a lot more and not dish out that sort or anger
or commentary again. Please make me accountable and scold me if I do.
I will from now on take the higher road.


Once again, I was driving to my parents house and saw the sunset here
at 9 PM EST and realized how lucky I am to enjoy such a beautiful
setting and how lucky I am to share the cosmos, life, the earth with my
fellow man. I also see that the only destructive thing to this planet and
to each other as chronicled by what's happening in the world is the result
of patriarchal, elitist and oligarchical greed and a disheartening side lining of
love, respect, consideration, compassion and such. I want this world to be a better
place, starting from me and this forum.

I will do my part to NEVER AGAIN talk or speak in the manner I spoke. It was uncalled for
and unacceptable. I am truly sorry and I forgive any comments or rhetoric towards me.


I wish you all love, harmony, happiness and complete fulfillment.

Let's come together, not destroy each other.


Omar

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I was not at all negative with you in this discussion.... Whether you interpreted some of the things I said as negative well that is completely up to you. You seemed to take some of my words negatively... nothing I said (I re-read it) was a personal attack and if you paid close attention to my words I chose them quite carefully.

You going off and getting crazy was quite disappointing... I'm sad that your "confidence" doesn't extend to your emotional side, emotional intelligence is something I've seen you specifically mention. This is part of being self-confident from my perspective.

Very good looking guys just like any guys can have their struggles but all that means is you don't have game... as you pointed out... that has lil to do with female perception as you initially mentioned which was my argument to begin with... Women identify a man's skills with women based on body language and other behaviors... not based on looks... which is quite honestly a newbie perspective to anyone with an understanding of science and courtship.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Hey Vic, it's all good man:) Peace, love and respect to you and to everyone!

Omar

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