I've always found comfort to come first with the pick ups that go really naturally. After there's a form of comfort I just breeze straight through escalation etc but I'd always heard differently from almost every other Pick Up source. I've been wondering whether I just wasn't really perceiving what was really going on or whether comfort was actually happening before attraction etc

With so much field experience, you'll realize that comfort can be had in several ways; not just through emotional connection. You can also build it through propinquity and social proof or it can happen in an instant because your genes matched when a woman unconsciously smelled your sweat. There's a reason why successful athletes attract women like flies while they're sweating during and just about after a game.

You'll also realize that women will fuck with two kinds of guys:

• 1. The one that excites them so much that an emotional connection isn't necessary at all; and
  
  2.The one that they are comfortable with.

Researchers also discovered that women will likely have sex (even with strangers) under certain conditions like the novelty of the moment or with a genetically superior (high testosterone charged) hunk while at the peak of their ovulation. This is the reason why serial killers who got caught and jailed get numerous offers for sex from many women. You can even think of rock stars who have good testosterone showmanship lining up women in the dozens and banging them after every concert.

Applying Ezo's Vibe Theory in your game can enable you to nail women both when they are excited or when they are comfortable with you. I have messed up several of my sarges by trying to build emotional connection and nailed women by doing a modified Stellar method without any comfort building at all. The reverse can also be said to be true based on field experience.

If you can project the two types of vibe that trigger women to have sex, then that might be called progress.

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The Value of the Field Test

You bought a new PUA Manual and have been reading on it for 3 days. Likewise, you have bombarded yourself 4 hours a day with the audio books that came with it. You even watched the videos several times. Cool? WRONG.

After spending some 3 to 7 days on your new PUA material acquisition, you now go out to field test some of the strategies there something like:

“The next few days I’m booked up, but let’s get together on Friday night. There’s this awesome new lounge that I want to show you…they’ve got a killer DJ and my buddy the bartender makes the best mojitos in town.” (From MACK Tactic's The Bad Boy Blueprint p. 45)

When you tried that out on field 10 times and it doesn't work, you're reminded by MACK Tactics that you might still be lacking congruence or you haven't tried too many enough. So you try again. After several dozen tries, you managed to get somewhere with one girl. So you try it out again. Same result. The failure rate is too high. So you start thinking, what am I doing wrong?

Here's the bummer. This is a classic GM Style line:

"Hey babe, I was hoping you could help me out for a sec (pause)? You see a snake just bit my nads and I need you to suck the poison out."

Girl laughs and play punches you on the arm.

"Let's get some ice cream." You gesture towards the john.

The thing is, if a field tested line works, it WILL work; most of the time. If it doesn't work it will not work no matter how hard or how much frequency you try.

It's taking me a lot of time to unlearn bad PUA habits that I've learned from MACK Tactics. I have a very high failure rate with the tactics described there. Although the general principles discussed look good, these appeared to be paraphrased from PUA community common sense so those are basically good.

But when you're field testing individual tactics and those are not working, STOP. Unlearn the bullshit and learn something else. Unlearning something that you've invested a lot of time and effort in already is very difficult. So my advice for the newbies here: Before you dig deep in one PUA approach, field test each small tactic. If it doesn't work 1 time out of 10, it will probably work 1 time out of 100 approaches. In short, stop wasting your time.

There are other PUA approaches that deliver faster results. The GM Style tactics I'm field testing are working for me 80% to 100% of the time. If it works, it will work on field. If it doesn't work when you test it on field, move on. It will never work no matter how hard you try.

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True on that. I guess what most newbies don't realise is that they have to find a kind of style that suits their personality. For instance a heavy sexual method won't (immediatly) work with a newbie who has little to no experience expressing their desires, only because the line isn't congruent with the personality, it has to shine through your body language.

Maybe it would be better to work for newbies on inner game, get in love with yourself, love the way you are, and change the thinks that you don't like or are bad for pick-up. You don't change your personality that much, you just become a better self.

After that you can work on methods, but it's necessary to overcome AA to degree that it won't affect you (that much) anymore.

Just my 2 cents. If anyone disagress, let me know

Wallie

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Where can I read more about this "Stelar method."
Have you opened with this line?

Stelar's threads are buried deep in the PUA Lounge. It's not for the faint of heart but it works (at least for me). There's solid science behind the approach and it's very methodical. I'm not saying it could work for you. It works for me probably because I have done marketing presentations to senators and generals. I think your level of confidence should be unshakeable to make it work.
So many times, I can't remember. It might work for you. If you're planning to use that as an opener, get some shiny and unique belt buckle to accentuate your crotch. Once you catch the girl looking at your cock area, drop the routine. The impact is stronger this way.

The nonverbal part goes something like this. You spot a HB you fancy. You close the distance like you're looking at something else. You should have a straight posture and relaxed walk. You will catch her looking at you. Look straight into her eyes like you got distracted by the way she looked at you and then watch her pull her gaze down and then bring it up again. If the girl does this, you're good. If not, move on to the next girl.

When she looks down, she can't help but look at your cock area if you have a monster cocking item near your cock (belt buckle, chains, etc.). So when you notice her looking at your cock, bam, say the line like it's the normal thing to say.

The idea is to condition the girl's mind that your presence means sex + fun. Mentally create images of your cock in her mind and make her laugh. You're basically branding yourself as the fun and sexy guy; not a friendzone guy.

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Thanks for the information in both friends, Hellhound. It seems very sound and scientifically grounded. I'll be sure to put it to use and see what happens.

Good read

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Because I am willing to learn I have tried practising in front of the mirror thinking about a chick I phone closed last night.. and my pupils did nt dilate. Is it really noticeable or inconscious type? do you need a full hard-on for it to work? (if yes better wait for it before starting laser eye routine then?..)

Hi Phoenix. Let's dig deeper into the basics so we're on the same wavelength. Please review, the quote below.
That quote came from this thread: post789691.html#p789691

Once you have reviewed that quoted post ^ look in the mirror again. If your pupils are still not dilating, get a Hustler magazine, look at the hottest girl, and look in the mirror again. If that one still doesn't work, get your favorite food, look at it and look at the mirror again.

If your pupils dilate more with good food than with a hot woman, you'll need to boost up your natural testosterone.

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You make a woman fall in love with you be being mysterious. That way she can project fantasies and emotions on you. Its kind of like how Freud noticed his patients would fall in love with him. You get her to open up to you about her feelings by asking the right questions. Then you just let her talk kind of like her therapist and then she starts to project fantasies and emotions on you like you have some deep friendship or something when she knows nothing about you at all.

While some of this advice is true, the follwiong: "ANY DATE OR TRADITIONAL COURTSHIP is afc..."

Is COMPLETELY WRONG. Very surprised you would say this skills. My most successful date is dinner or meeting for drinks, I f-close a huge percentage on a first date. You have to be able to actually have a real conversation, that is true. But if you can, it is SO easy to get laid from a traditional date. Way easier than just about anything; provided it is a night time date. And by real conversation I mean full conversation including body language, eye contact, and kino where applicable. You may get bf potential LMR but that is one of the easiest LMRs to overcome.

As for hellhound mental masturbation. Duh. Hellhound is by far the worst regular poster on the forum. He spends his time reading misleading abstracts of poorly designed studies and thinks they have any practical application to PUA when of course they do not.

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You can get laid DESPITE dinner and traditional dating, but you are making more work for yourself and she can put you into bf territory(this is not only me but every guy that gets laid a lot agree on that commonality), it is very un efficient to do the traditional dating, going for drinks awesome, dinner horrible idea, for many reasons: it is unnecessary, potential friendzone, will delay sex in most cases, it put you into prospective bf territory and easy to disqualify you, it puts you into a paying position, it is the same shit every loser does, it puts into provider territory, it is not sexy or anything sexual about 2 people eating trying to have a convo. It is just stupid... The exception maybe dinner at your crib. You got laid despite the dinner... The other exception after you fucked her, then is ok to do traditional dating. Everything works, i can date a girl that is into me(green) take her to dinner and a movie, tell her how much i like it etc.... And fuck her, but is in efficient, I can take a (maybe) to dinner, pay, get a kiss and a thank you and never see her again 90% of the time, and maybe fuck her 10% of the time. It is just inneficient for general consuption, but if is working for you, and you are happy being in a paying situation, and bf situation(good for you), or if you are comfortable having to split a bill(i think is weak), then by all means keep doing it... Most guys that really get laid disagree totally with you approach


http://www.theskillsmethod.com/the-2-ty ... seduction/

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My lay % is way higher w/dinner than all the PUA blah type dates etc. I pay, because I don't really give a shit about the cost of dinner. I have enough money where paying for a dinner or drinks is irrelevant to my finances, which doesn't even have to be that much money. (Not to mention, in NYC, if you don't pay on a date most women will think you are a cheap pathetic loser, for good reason, and I don't care what Paul Janka does, he is tall, good looking, and went to harvard, so he probably gets women despite being a cheap asshole) The reason I get women from dinner is because I am good at conversation, and I can seduce women who are only lukewarm on me by being interesting and sexual and dinner is a great forum to do so because you have opportunity to talk and no stupid distractions of "fun" dates and activities. If you can truly master conversation, it is one of the most effective pick up weapons. Of course the odds of getting a girl to bang is higher if I just invite her to my place right off the bat, but the % who say no is also higher, so that comparison is retarded.

Bottom line, Do I prefer to just bring a girl back to my place? of course! But the set of women I can get, on a first date, is much larger if I add dinner into the mix of potential dates (as most girls will agree to it versus only girls I could fuck no matter what would agree to just come over to my place on a first date). I think this is the main point you are missing. I have much MORE women I can get easily, when I add dinner and similar type dates into the mix.

You mean most guys who CLAIM they get laid a lot on the forum disagree with me... look, there is no one way to do pickup, but to claim that dinner doesn't work etc. is wrong.

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As i told you before, if it works for you, and you have the money, keep doing it... I focus on arousal and not convos... But anyways, i don't have money to be paying for extra dinners... Again, i am not gonna go back and forth, and i told you it may work, since everything work. But for MOST PEOPLE, it is not efficient and Does not work. I don't care about janka either, but he was making the point in terms of the dinner argument and he is right, does not mean i endorse or agree with the dude.

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