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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:56 am 
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I am warning you warpless mind,

your pua products are infringing on criminal copyright violations and the american federal government.

Do you know what is criminal copyright infringement and how many years in prison a person will be jailed for?
Stop this empty threat bullshit. You're out of jurisdiction to begin with. So how are you going to file a case against a US citizen when you're somewhere in Asia, hmm?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:41 am 
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So how are you going to file a case against a US citizen when you're somewhere in Asia, hmm?

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Are you familiar with the "International Copyright Law"? errhm....

1st - the "new DMCA" --- covers any international electronic or digital infringement of copyrights. (regardless of what country)

2nd - my country has an extra - judicial/extra - territorial treaties that can allow law enforcement agencies to chase criminal copyright violations.

3rd - through Major PUA partner companies, ahem, ahem, eehehehehehe.

the copy right law is very broad and covers derivative works as well, meaning, even if you only took a portion or any part, you will still be liable.

the court might consider substantial similarity since courts consider the similarities from both a quantitative and qualitative perspective, therefore they can still hold you liable.


and if all else fails, there is a cease and deceased order.

The United States has the most strictest copyright laws in existence, they can shut down swedish servers, japanese servers, chinese servers, british servers or anywhere in the world.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:53 am 
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Are you familiar with the "International Copyright Law"? errhm....

1st - the "new DMCA" --- covers any international electronic or digital infringement of copyrights. (regardless of what country)

2nd - my country has an extra - judicial/extra - territorial treaties that can allow law enforcement agencies to chase criminal copyright violations.

3rd - through Major PUA partner companies, ahem, ahem, eehehehehehe.

the copy right law is very broad and covers derivative works as well, meaning, even if you only took a portion or any part, you will still be liable.

the court might consider substantial similarity since courts consider the similarities from both a quantitative and qualitative perspective, therefore they can still hold you liable.


and if all else fails, there is a cease and deceased order.

The United States has the most strictest copyright laws in existence, they can shut down swedish servers, japanese servers, chinese servers, british servers or anywhere in the world.
It should be desist; not deceased. Deceased means dead.

A DMCA complaint is filed with Google so the search engine will not show the webpage with copyright violations in search engine results pages. Google is a private entity. It's not a judicial entity whatsoever.

To file a case that involves the use of treaties, you must be able to prove that you have a direct interest in the case, show probable cause for copyright infringement, and show that the violation has a substantial effect on the country's economy in cases of intellectual property rights.

For instance, the copyrighted work belongs to you and your income has been directly affected by the copyright violation wherein your income translates to 1% of the GNP like the Swedish band ABBA used to have. You'll also need to consider Fair Use rules. I'm not seeing any copyright violations from WM's end. He's not a crook.

In short, stop posting bullshit threats that are just plain Jane dumb.

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Fuck this post has been derailed like crazy, weird the mods have not jump in.... Anyways, you are wondering why i defend wm, is cause is the one of 5 dudes that posts i can relate to... Anyways i talk to the corny dude via pm. I work with lawyers in the legal field, so, i also do financing, real estate etc... Skills why the fuck do i care? good question. When I am screening clients via phone, when they come to an appt. everything they say on the phone has to match or be close to a match to do financing, legal defense etc.... Also when my attorneys are in front of the Judge THEY NEED TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE.

So we are gonna have a bit of fun here, I am gonna offer via SPAM, $100 dollars, to ANYBODY that has proof that wm is a keyboard jokey, but it gets better, if anybody can post any of his posts and prove to me that what is on the post is bs and/or copy from someone else, you get the money(i just spend an hour going through his posts). The ones were he pics best posts, and gurus do not apply, only game related.

here is what you do:




step 1.- In Search for keywods, you will select "search for all terms or use query as entered.
Step 2.- Search for author: Warped Mindless
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step 4.-Display results as: Click topics

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:36 pm 
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Skills, if you want to make bets just do it via PM. The topic of this thread are the reasons why most "PUAs" suck.

The summary of the discussion goes somewhat like this:

1. WM asserts 3 reasons.

2. Melodical and Majik assert not approaching should also be a main reason.

3. Several posters agreed that WM is spot on.

4. Some posters defended the position that DHVs (reason #1) actually work.

5. I've defended reason #1 that DHVs are really not that important in pick up.

6. Cornishman asserts that some PUAs are KJs that's why they suck.

7. I have (in the later part of the thread) asserted that some PUAs sometimes give out non-field tested advice that is dangerous to the health of the PUA community and that some have a tendency to exaggerate claims.

8. Tiffany/Valkyrie asserts some PUAs are copyright violators that's why they suck.

The question is, what reasons are you asserting why some "PUAs" suck?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 4:51 pm 
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Skills, if you want to make bets just do it via PM. The topic of this thread are the reasons why most "PUAs" suck.

The summary of the discussion goes somewhat like this:

1. WM asserts 3 reasons.

2. Melodical and Majik assert not approaching should also be a main reason.

3. Several posters agreed that WM is spot on.

4. Some posters defended the position that DHVs (reason #1) actually work.

5. I've defended reason #1 that DHVs are really not that important in pick up.

6. Cornishman asserts that some PUAs are KJs that's why they suck.

7. I have (in the later part of the thread) asserted that some PUAs sometimes give out non-field tested advice that is dangerous to the health of the PUA community and that some have a tendency to exaggerate claims.

8. Tiffany/Valkyrie asserts some PUAs are copyright violators that's why they suck.

The question is, what reasons are you asserting why some "PUAs" suck?

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Well in my opinion, for what i have seen in the forum... Is that

1.- they are very "needy", and they get stuck with women that are: a.- Not interested. B.- no sexually available.

2.- They are trying to act and be people they are not.

3.- They do not project the lover frame.

4.- They do not have the fundamentals handle which is maximizing their looks potential ( looking good, dressing nice, hygiene etc..)

5.- They still believe a particular game, method, line will make a women want to be with them.

6.- They lack the ability to recognize approach invites and body language reads.

7.- they do not know how to screen properly, and waste too much time in girls that will not lead anywhere.

8.- they are overly gamy, gimmicky.

9.- They are not bullsy enough, they are scare to "fuck it up"

10.- They do not go out on the FIELD on a consistent basis, to gain "references experience".

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:08 pm 
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Well in my opinion, for what i have seen in the forum... Is that

1.- they are very "needy", and they get stuck with women that are: a.- Not interested. B.- no sexually available.

2.- They are trying to act and be people they are not.

3.- They do not project the lover frame.

4.- They do not have the fundamentals handle which is maximizing their looks potential ( looking good, dressing nice, hygiene etc..)

5.- They still believe a particular game, method, line will make a women want to be with them.

6.- They lack the ability to recognize approach invites and body language reads.

7.- they do not know how to screen properly, and waste too much time in girls that will not lead anywhere.

8.- they are overly gamy, gimmicky.

9.- They are not bullsy enough, they are scare to "fuck it up"

10.- They do not go out on the FIELD on a consistent basis, to gain "references experience".
Thank you. You have a very good list.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:43 pm 
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Skills i got to say your posts are fucking gold in the fact that they are informative and entertaining to read.

I struggled for two years in this pua world failing miserably always. It was really disheartening as things seemed to be getting worse for me.

Different story now. I'm not great or anything but shit is slowly falling into place for me. I'm doing it by dealing with the exact things on your list in some shape or form. In short great great list. What i notice though is that your entire list is symptoms from one core problem. The "core" of that person, inner game, being comfortable with yourself.

1. Neediness - needing someone or something to validate them

2. Trying to be someone your not - they don't want to be them

3. not being a lover - how can they effectively love somebody if they hate themselves. Thats why these unhealthy obsessions grow.

4. not taking care of yourself- If they dislike themselves they don't want to deal with themselves or work on themselves.

5. Method - Believing the answer lies outside of them.

6. not recognizing invites - this one is selfishness created by neediness. When they're needy they're wrapped up in themselves thinking of what they want. they don't give a damn about what the girl wants. they're not really paying attention to her. they're paying attention to they're fantasy of her inside they're head.

7. wasting time - desperately focusing on unattainable fantasies instead of possibilities

8. overgame - same as 2

9. no balls - no belief in themselves

10. Work - to go out and get better at this I had to let go of what I want and concentrate on the small steps in front of me. To game effectively and learn effectively i had to test myself and put myself in uncomfortable situations. It's all about basically dealing with myself and becoming comfortable with who I am. But the pua's that fail just want an escape. An easy way out. They want it given to them.

Maybe i just warped your list to fit my problems and situation. Because i had alot of inner game issuses and finally dealing with them a whole new world of possibilities is unfolding before me.


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i disagree with you op

DHV and negging does work. its proven to work. Mystery was / is highly successful with it, and i know these terms were kinda coined by him and that game has moved on since then but one of the biggest companies (RSD) was founded using his techniques of DHV, negging etc. One of the reasons most people found out about game (myself included) was through reading "the game" and style also used these techniques.

i know game has progressed to more cocky funny / inner game stuff but it all still has elements of DHV, negging etc so to dismiss them is just retarded. Sorry it is its proven to work. many master PUAs have used them with success, ive used them with great success etc.


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i disagree with you op

DHV and negging does work. its proven to work. Mystery was / is highly successful with it, and i know these terms were kinda coined by him and that game has moved on since then but one of the biggest companies (RSD) was founded using his techniques of DHV, negging etc. One of the reasons most people found out about game (myself included) was through reading "the game" and style also used these techniques.

i know game has progressed to more cocky funny / inner game stuff but it all still has elements of DHV, negging etc so to dismiss them is just retarded. Sorry it is its proven to work. many master PUAs have used them with success, ive used them with great success etc.
No $100 for you...

Rebuttal:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7brRFEe2o[/youtube]

and mm, it works, but is so inefficient and too much unnecessary effort:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRixQKeveMc[/youtube]

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i disagree with you op

DHV and negging does work. its proven to work. Mystery was / is highly successful with it, and i know these terms were kinda coined by him and that game has moved on since then but one of the biggest companies (RSD) was founded using his techniques of DHV, negging etc. One of the reasons most people found out about game (myself included) was through reading "the game" and style also used these techniques.

i know game has progressed to more cocky funny / inner game stuff but it all still has elements of DHV, negging etc so to dismiss them is just retarded. Sorry it is its proven to work. many master PUAs have used them with success, ive used them with great success etc.
No $100 for you...

Rebuttal:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7brRFEe2o[/youtube]

and mm, it works, but is so inefficient and too much unnecessary effort:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRixQKeveMc[/youtube]

i agree natural game is more effective. but MM still works. it may be harder to pull off and more effort but it still works.

the ops point was that it doesnt


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i disagree with you op

DHV and negging does work. its proven to work. Mystery was / is highly successful with it, and i know these terms were kinda coined by him and that game has moved on since then but one of the biggest companies (RSD) was founded using his techniques of DHV, negging etc. One of the reasons most people found out about game (myself included) was through reading "the game" and style also used these techniques.

i know game has progressed to more cocky funny / inner game stuff but it all still has elements of DHV, negging etc so to dismiss them is just retarded. Sorry it is its proven to work. many master PUAs have used them with success, ive used them with great success etc.
No $100 for you...

Rebuttal:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL7brRFEe2o[/youtube]

and mm, it works, but is so inefficient and too much unnecessary effort:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRixQKeveMc[/youtube]

i agree natural game is more effective. but MM still works. it may be harder to pull off and more effort but it still works.

the ops point was that it doesnt
Lets say I invent a new martial art. Lets call it Neg-Fu.

In Neg-Fu, if you wnat to block a punch you must FRONT FLIP over the guy. Yes, with every punch the guy throws you have to do ninja-esque front flips over the guy.

Now.... can that works? After a fucking shit ton of practice it can work, sure! However, would you agree that using boxing technique of simply slipping punches to be better and more efficient? Yes.

Why learn Neg-Fu (Mystery method/value based game) when you can learn boxing (sexual tension based game)?

Both works but one is waaaay better and more efficient.

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i agree natural game is more effective. but MM still works. it may be harder to pull off and more effort but it still works.

the ops point was that it doesnt
Uhm... NO.
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Three main reasons why most "puas" suck and never really get good:

1) They believe that the women is higher value and must prove their own value by showing it and lowering hers. This is why guys DHV, Neg, and all kinds of other stupid shit.

2) They believe that verbal game is super important.

3) They put more focus on "running solid game" than actually closing the deal and fucking her.

Lets break this down.

1) I have already written a post on why focusing on value is a bad idea so I'm not going to rehash that. To put it simply, its much more efficient to focus on sexual attraction than value based attraction. Turn a woman on and you will automatically have value to her.

I have also written multiple post on how to turn a woman on. Check them out!

2) 80% of a typical guys effort is focused onto verbal game yet it really only matters like 20%, maybe even less. Besides the fact that you should be letting her do most of the talking, the things that actually matter are:

- Eye contact
- Posture
- Body Language
- Voice tone
- Your attitude (Dominance/Masculine Polarity/Swag)
- Physically leading
- Non verbal sexual escalation
- Your looks (Style/Hair/Physical Traits)

Verbals truly don't matter that much.

3) Most guys WAY over game because their think seduction is way more complicated than it is. After 5 - 10 minutes pretty much all women either like you or they dont. If they dont you need to move on and if they do you need to stop "gaming" and CLOSE.

Many times a chick will be thinking "jeeze, I wish he would invite me home already. Why does he keep trying so hard?" While at the same time the guy is still DHVing and trying to impress her and to "attract" her. Their more focused on "running game" than they are on the actual women.

Have the killer instinct and always be trying to close. You don't need much "game."

This post was short and brief so if you have questions post below.
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I dunno i was always in serious relationships and when i came out i had no game what so ever and i found MM helped me alot with just basic concepts that have worked. I agree that sexual tension based game IS MORE EFFECTIVE but MM is an easier layed out concept and path for complete social retards as say a stepping stone to more natural game.

But hey its just my opinion based on my personal experiance MM has helped me pull alot of hot girls and im finding ti alot easier to learn a more natural game and other PUA stuff based on sexual tension and natural game having MM as a basic concept as supposed to having nothing


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Skills i got to say your posts are fucking gold in the fact that they are informative and entertaining to read.

I struggled for two years in this pua world failing miserably always. It was really disheartening as things seemed to be getting worse for me.

Different story now. I'm not great or anything but shit is slowly falling into place for me. I'm doing it by dealing with the exact things on your list in some shape or form. In short great great list. What i notice though is that your entire list is symptoms from one core problem. The "core" of that person, inner game, being comfortable with yourself.

Hey man thanks, keep at it, pick up is messy, focus on progress, glad you are getting better.
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1. Neediness - needing someone or something to validate them
^ That is not the neediness i am refering, neediness it manifested in all types of ways. I myself was needy with my current gf. But anyways if you want to explore the neediness subject, mark manson book models, is the best source. Second is this video by td http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio
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2. Trying to be someone your not - they don't want to be them
again, this is not what i am referring too, is trying to be this "fake alpha" which is what mm, proposes, needy dudes overcompensating coming across alpha. Even a bunch of advance dudes are like that.
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3. not being a lover - how can they effectively love somebody if they hate themselves. Thats why these unhealthy obsessions grow.
dude, this is not what i am referring too either, lover is a sexual threat. in other words a sexual dude.
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4. not taking care of yourself- If they dislike themselves they don't want to deal with themselves or work on themselves.
^ this is about maximizing look potential. For example 8% body fat, there is no reason why you should not be at that body fat for example by hitting the gym. Dressing nice, facial hair, cool haircut etc...
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5. Method - Believing the answer lies outside of them.
nonono, believing a method/book has the answer to get you with a particular girl. They are just guidelines, things that work for a particular author.
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6. not recognizing invites - this one is selfishness created by neediness. When they're needy they're wrapped up in themselves thinking of what they want. they don't give a damn about what the girl wants. they're not really paying attention to her. they're paying attention to they're fantasy of her inside they're head.
^ no, man this is about recognizing no verbal opportunities, warm approaches.
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7. wasting time - desperately focusing on unattainable fantasies instead of possibilities
this is about spending too much effort in girls that were interested and now they are not. Or girls not interested at all.
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8. overgame - same as 2
This one is a girl say something, they got a come back at them with a neg, or something witti. Which is fine, i do it, but most time, the timing is wrong and is with the goal to impress, which is outcome dependant.
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9. no balls - no belief in themselves
Again this is fear of saying something that will turn the girl off, or scare of saying or doing something that will offend or in their head lose the girl... Or even scare of approaching, escalating, being sexual etc...
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10. Work - to go out and get better at this I had to let go of what I want and concentrate on the small steps in front of me. To game effectively and learn effectively i had to test myself and put myself in uncomfortable situations. It's all about basically dealing with myself and becoming comfortable with who I am. But the pua's that fail just want an escape. An easy way out. They want it given to them.

Maybe i just warped your list to fit my problems and situation. Because i had alot of inner game issuses and finally dealing with them a whole new world of possibilities is unfolding before me.
Best book on "inner game" which i use the term loosely, is Mark manson, Models...

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