My co-worker just introduced me to this site.
We were actually talking about a first date I had last night.

She is a friend (not close) but agreed to go out on a "date". We had a great time, constant conversation. I made good with the IOI's but not sure if i presented enough DHV. (may have already had established value) It ended nice, but no kiss. on the up note we have plans again tonight... the big thing i am trying to figure out is how stay out of the friend zone, and push into the "in" zone. She is a quality woman in the 8 class.

Any advice?

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Art1st

Hi. DHV and make her feel comfortable. Tell some stories. Tease her a little, and make her laugh. You can run some of the routines you'll find here, in the Routines subforum.

Most important of all is to remain congruent, and not become a completely different person than the one she has known. On the other hand, you do want to present a romantic side of you to avoid the friend zone, so stay touchy feely---touch her hand, arm, shoulder, give a couple of hugs when she does something for you or if it feels right, go for a kiss at the end of the date.

Try to get her to invest in you. The most convenient method is to get her to pay for you, either for a meal or a drink. If you want to be creative, playfully ask her to buy you flowers or bring a small present before the next date.

Smiling and laughing, along with open body language are good signs. Keep it up bro.

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Thanks Roads!

I was thinking i might bring some flowers to this date tonight.. something small and simple like daises or something. I was told not to give flowers till i "bed" her, but I do want to escalate things, so i think i might bring them anyway.

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Art1st

No problem, if you feel comfortable with it then go with it. The point though is not to make it seem like you're buying your way into her heart, so something simple and relatively expensive like you suggested is fine.

Note: The total costs DO add up, and girls WILL do the math in their heads. Even blondes. So if you buy lots of small and inexpensive items for her, they equal one big expensive item in the message it sends. She will think "hmmm why is this guy buying me so many things...oh wait, he's trying to buy his way into my bed". So always make sure she rewards you before you reward her.

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Welcome to the board Art1st.

If you want to give flowers then do so, but don't be expecting anything from doing so.

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Venusian Arts
Virgin -> 60+ Girls in 6 Months!

if you hear the words..."my period starts on Sunday" you're are in the "friends zone" or "danger zone" if you wish. haha.