First of all, I'm an intellectual. Most likely, all of you are. Otherwise, you wouldn't consciously think "I could get better at seducing women. I should study and read books and proactively meet women on an analytical level in order to improve." I've studied this stuff for years. Does anyone ever feel like they've ruined their organic experience with women? Do you ever feel like every step of the way you're consciously calculating the next move. Yes, I've gotten more women because of it. But does anyone ever feel like it's ruined a natural love experience that life has to offer? Sometimes, it all just feels so empty.

Yes. I do feel that way. I've learned to guard my feelings and sex has become cheap and meaningless, as well as relationships. Breakups are easy now, but that's only because the relationship was never that important in the first place, because I didn't let myself get close enough to be hurt. It's just a chess game now. That's the price we pay for getting easy lays I guess. A Faustian pact, of sorts.

Yes I agree. You can't 'unlearn' game. Once you know that there is room for improvement and that people are really not all that different it is a little disheartening.

Ideally you get to the level where you don't think about it anymore. You become unconsciously competent. But even at this level your skills wane here and there that you have to keep an eye on.

Good observation. I often wonder what my life would be like if I had never have read The Game.

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Getting into a long-term relationship could be a cure. After a while in a relationship you have to stop using game once you reach that point things will become more organic again.

I would argue that if you are to have any type of relationship you need to be somewhat organic.

You could know every routine in the world and you are still going to have some content that comes up organically.

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Was going to make a thread about a similar topic.

It was "The Thrill of Using Some PUA Stuff and It Working ........ VS Not Being Able to Unknow All That You've learnt."


Theres a more predictability and I just wonder where Id be if I had not learned anything about game. I might actually be better than I am.

I´ve met at least 3 women in the past 6 months that I would have considered the ultimate jackpot if I had met them before diving into our socalled art. Kissed the ground the walked on, thanked the gods for letting me meet this person. I would have fallen in love truly and deeply. But I didn´t. I keep telling myself that this incapability to truly "feel" for someone is due to the heartbreaks and damages I suffered in my long AFC years, but I´m not so sure about that when I´m honest with myself. Have I been emotionally corrupted by PU? Has my heart gone numb? It probably has been...

How do I cope? I tell myself that I´ve done my part for the future of the world. At 43 I have two beautiful sons with a great woman my age that I get along with splendidly. I do not need a partner to reproduce anymore. Been there. Done that.
And second I try to stay a gentleman. Every girl and woman I hook up with I tell the same: I live in an open relationship with myself and anyone who can handle that and I don´t promise anything I can´t keep. When I see that she starts to seriously fall for me, when love get´s into the picture I end it. I genuinely like and respect the women I sleep with and I don´t want to hurt the people I like. If I´d continue seeing and screwing someone that can´t emotionally handle my lifestyle I WILL hurt her.

All of us that get decent results out of our game are emotionally corrupted. So at least we should be responsible enough not to inflict damage on the women that we game.

Yeah, but i know a way out.

Instead of doing, just because you can, start knowing people and stop there. Thats it. Why do you hesitiate, why would you find a new girl, what do you seek, what are you afraid of? If you dont know the answers, you will around in a circle, without a purpose(thats what you feel right now)and it WILL end up bad. Because, the more you run around, the harder is the way out.

Your purpose was to find a girl, you would like to share your life with. Remember? Show yourself a little respect and enjoy the moment and people around you.

It does to some degree but ultimately it's all in your head. PUA provides an option for you to select better and higher quality women and a tool for you to win them over. Once you meet someone is comptiable enough for you to stay in a committed relationship with, it's your choice whether you want to take the risk and push on with it or not. It has nothing to do with PUAs, but rather your trust issues with people.

And an important question to ask yourself is what do I really want at this point in my life? Once you have a goal and a plan, you will start making appropriated decisions in order to achieve it. You can't be sleeping with all the chicks before you actually get to know them and whine about how boring relationship is and how frustrated it is to not be able to find a great relationship, can you? If you can't even take yourself seriously, who would?

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I literally asked myself last night while me and one of my best friends were talking to two girls last night "How can I AMOG him?"

Do I regret it? No.

For guys like me, all we have to do is remember how we were BEFORE game. Helpless, Instead of now standing on equal terms with those we admired and even one day surpassing them and becoming a true Alpha male.

I actually had this argument with another friend of mine, I was guilty of bragging. I tried to explain to him that the hot women I talked to were worth 10 of every ugly girl he got naked pictures of (He's no looker himself, and for him that was enough) and he started spouting 'personality over looks' bullshit at me.

We all know damn well our penis wants to be with the hottest girl we can find, but without game, a lot of us would still be in chains- telling ourselves we're better off trying to find someone that will accept 'us' as soon as possible rather than finding exactly who we want in this big world.

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You guys are so lucky. I love most women. They all have something to offer. They all touch my heart in some way. Maybe I haven't really stepped it up yet. I assume you guys are going out every night. I am not. I don't drink. I get lots of women but I'm crushed when they leave. To me the heart breaks worse each time. Am I the only one??? What you guys talk of seems absurd. Have you ever been madly in love? Have you ever banged your oneitus? I wish I could turn my emotions on and off like a switch.

In a lot of ways, PUA creates sociopathic tendencies in us. You train yourself to see women as a game. They're creatures to be manipulated. It is very gratifying to be able to walk into a club or bar and pick up the hottest woman there. Or be in line at the grocery store and make the woman behind you laugh and give you her phone number. But I've been doing to stuff for so long that I've found my feelings for women have changed. I've become more possessive. More calloused. More angry. It's more like training a new pet than just experiencing a relationship. It's too easy to walk away now.

Yep... Pretty much..

I wouldn't say "ruined."

Would you rather have the life you have now or the life you had before?

Sure seems like a systematic disease, I cant stop cheating...

Yet I pride myself on being honnest. I seem to want to finally commit but as soon as it goes in that direction I feel all smothered and I ruin my relationship to get back in the game and meet someone even better.

I think thats where it is at, you keep striving for better almost becoming a sport.

or I am just turning into a girl...