I've been thinking. I think a lot of the Pick up arts are about imitating others, being something you are not. Its like their is this perfect model of a man that we are all chasing. We have to have a certain style.

Think for a second. The negging, the social proof, the demonstrating high value, the not calling to much or not texting too much. Its like we're all trying to portray ourselves as that cool kid in school. I don't even think that's entirely possible because everyone has unique experiences.

Listen. In every culture there is a type of man that is valued. From culture to culture people value different things. I think we spend our times trying to become whats valuable, instead of persuading others that we are already valuable.

I'm just thinking that maybe PUA is all about a facade you can't keep up. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UeniTE5D18

Just food for thought.

Here's the thing. While at first, when I knew nothing about game and its friends, I could've fully agreed with what you said. But from where I stand right now, you're only partially right.
Yes, the beginning is the most confusing part of them all, but, as you progress, and as you start to grasp what game is really about, you understand that the kind of behaviour we're talking, is, like you said, the universal alpha. The one that women want to fuck, and the one that men so desperately want to be.
However, the imitating eventually comes to a satisfying end, once you perfect yourself, and you become what you first set out to be. After that long road which never seemed to have an end, you reached a checkpoint. A glorious checkpoint.
You think it, and you eventually become it.

The problem is that you gotta be your best self, and not some kind of Mystery, Style, Gamblers' robot. Because if you're just a robot, then you're something you are not. That may work in the short-term, but long-term you're just a fake. No woman wants consistently gonna have sex with a fake person.

Wallie

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I listened to this dave Chappelle skit once and he said if a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box he wouldn't buy a house. Now I don't know if this is true. WHat is true is that men do a lot of things they don't want to do just for women!

What if a man doesn't want to be a universal alpha. What about that?

What I am saying is this....

It seems like you're living your life for women instead of living your life for yourself. You're being what women want you to be instead of what you want to be.

You saying this just says you aren't knowledgable in any way of the PUA arts. You're trying to demean any guy who has successfully picked up a girl, and yourself. For what?

Read The Game, by Neil Strauss. There is more than one way to pick up a girl. Whether it be mental manipulation or cocky funniness. You are lacking breh

Get laid, then post again.

U reading too much at PUAhate or u realy aint learned in the arts?think about it this way:you want to become a superstar & u watch & read bios learning from known musicians & start moving in their steps till u develop ur own style & then BOOM! U're weezy.Ā

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Its not about imitation, its about becoming. Before starting, almost all puas lacked anything that remotely resembled alpha male behavior, but this is something you can learn despite popular belief(and as they've proven). You can learn to be a leader, you can learn to be powerful, you can learn the skills it takes to become the man women all over want.

This said, PUA isnt about saying the right things at the right time, its about being the right man at all times, about building an attractive lifestyle. Therein lies the misunderstanding, and people that dont understand usually come in two forms. There are the people who find It easy to quit trying to be a pua because they think that "routines" or "methods" are garbage when in reallity, they were just unaware of how much of their previous personality they'd have to change and aren't willing. Then on the other side are the social robots without a clue, who think they dont actually have to change THEMSELVE. They believe they can just pu on this 'mask' or 'persona', and as long as they say specfic lines at specfic times(lying if they have to) they'll get what they want. What they both lack is commitment, amd thats why they will ultimately get nowhere.

Just remember, even if youre given the tools of an Alpha male you need to ask yourself if you have the strength to even use them.

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The fact that this bothers you so much and you would tell me to get laid shows insecurity. Just pointing that out.

What I am questioning is the need to be an alpha male? Why be an alpha male? Why is that so important? Its so important because we think thats what women want and maybe you should be what you want to be and not be what women want you to be.

It's important because that IS what women want In the long run. In this dog eat dog world a woman needs a man that can protect her children and support a family while also being there for her emotionally, that's why they flock to guys like them. It's your core responsibility as a man in this world, it's in your genes. If you don't like it, I hear gender changing operations are the way to go.

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Everyone is not meant to be the same. There's no gene for experience and how youwere raised.

They say women want that, an alpha male, but Idk if thats true.

Do you want to be an alpha male because you want to be an alpha male or do you want to be an alpha male because women supposedly want an alpha male?

There are a lot of things I want. At the top of that list is women, firstly, and i'm not going to lie. I find women incredibly intriguing and it's a personal hobby of mine to have as many around me as possible. But I also want friends in general, a lot actually. And I want respect, power, wealth, happiness, all of that. For me, being a PUA(And in turn, building an attractive lifestyle and becoming an Alpha Male)will lead me to all that which I desire in life.

Now as i'm sure you're trying to get across as your point, not everyone is the same and not everyone has the same path to walk. That said, I think that it would be easier instead of trying to find reasons of why being an Alpha male is so important from others, just ask yourself. If you don't think it is, then it isn't. Go with your gut, If you don't feel that being an Alpha Male works for you Nobody is going to reach through the screen and force you. All that matters in the end is what you choose. Whether you choose to be the leader or the follower is entirely up to you.

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Its not so simple as being the leader or follower. Being a leader don't get you women.
An alpha male and a leader are 2 entirely different things.

That's why almost every PU group advocate working on yourself from the inside out not just gimmicky tricks.

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I think the question still falls on u ruthless,what do u desire?ok,if this forum taught about how to be a good fisherman and u don't want fish u wouldn't be here.it teaches about how to be good with gals-u don't want gals and u still here?

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