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PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:28 pm 
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Text game #2
Surprise, surprise
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I'm sure it would have been a sure close, but now I was forced to give my number to her, adding the name wallie, and letting her send it to me. Wrong! She nodded yes, but tomorrow when she wakes up and sees my name, she won't send the picture. I already know that.
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- Not sure if mentioned before but: Always TAKE the phone number, don't GIVE it to her. You're the one who makes the decisions, and the chances are that she will never reply (which I bet will happen).
It seems there are exceptions to this rule. And i'm one of the lucky guys to the exception. Right after typing the field report from last night, she texted me at 3.00 am. I was still awake, so I immediatly replied back. I couldn't believe my eyes, she actually replied. Now this is a rare occurance, mostly they aren't confident enough, but fortunately this girl is. So here's the text conversation:
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02.59 Her: Heyyyy
02.59 Me: Heeey,
02.59 Me: I didn't think you would actually send something
03.00 Her: Haha :$
03.01 Me: Pretty bad, (translated), I still don't know your name to put into my phone:$
03.02 Her: My name is C.... V.... (for privacy), haha x
03.04 Me: Thanks Carmen, I'm going to sleep now (I was tired) don't forget to send that picture to me;)
03.04 Her: Hihi, ill do it fast!
03.05 Her: "Picture of me and her friend"
at this point I knew that she was interested, however I was tired, and not in the right frame
13.01 Me: Aah, your friend actually has a cute smile
13.02 Her: I know x
13.08 Me: Till how long did you stay ?
13.08 Her: 01:15 am x
13.10 Me: Haha, well tonight it's gonna be very exciting at Apollo (name of club), you don't wanna miss it!
13.11 Her: Yeah, L.... (friends' name) is going as well
13.12 Me: What costume are you gonna wear, then I know where I have to look for ;)
13.13 Her: I'm not going:$
13.18 Me: Aah that's too bad because you made a good impression on me yesterday :$
13.18 Her: Oo:$
13.20 Me: Yes, why do you think I gave you my number;)
13.21 Her: Haha, I don't know x
13.22 Me: I was hoping that you would come again tonight
13.26 Her: Yes, but i'm living a little bit further away, haha:$
13.29 Me: Where? As long as it is not X, because then ill look further haha :$
13.48 Her: Watt?
14.02 Me: I hope you can handle a joke, because I suppose you are from X?
14.03 Me: With living a bit further away?
14.04 Her: No i'm not x
14.09 Me: Then I guess Y?
14.11 Her: No x ( the x in this sentence means kiss, not the place)
14.12 Me: I don't know, Ill probably never guess
14.13 Her: Don't think so either
I thought, this is leading nowhere. So I thought, let's throw her a bone, see if she takes it
14.15 Me: Well, I gotta go now. If you come tonight then ill have a surpise you don't wanna miss. X
14.17 Me: Even if you have to go all the way from Z (I googled it, kudos google)
14.26 Her: I am from Z yes x
14.28 Me: Alright, so I'm gonna see you tonight :$ x
14.30 Her: No sweetheart x
It seems Im still having trouble maintaining a sexual frame during texts. I remember having a thought of "not going too much for it". Definately a sticking point. But she's interested, I know. The story isn't over yet, Ill see soon enough. I know her friend is going out again tonight, so Ill see how interested she is, because she was the one giving warm smiles.

What have I learnt here?
- Sticking point: Maintaining a sexual frame when sending texts to girls.

Wallie

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Day 34: 9th February 2013
Carnaval day 2: Damn you one-itis

Goals:
- I'll aspire to make 5-10 approaches ( I only made 2..)
- Optional: If I see the girl from yesterday, ill do whatever I can to make out.

Field report:
Not a good night. I was too excited about yesterday, and man that killed me to be honest. I've shown a hell lot of people the picture that was sent by the girl, and told everyone: If you see that girl, warn me. During the night I tried to find her myself. I think I walked the club at least 3 times searching.

At some point I just knew she wasn't there, or dressed up as something that was hard for me to recognize. In my mind I knew that I wouldn't find her that night, but this was a case of one-itis. I kept seeing the image of that picture in my head, and I was very eager to find her. Nope, dumb.

However I had a fun night with the girls that were with our group. Dancing on songs with them and stuff. But well, it wasn't a good night on the approaching. I only made 2 approaches and they aren't worth mentioning. THe night was long, but I was too much in my head. Hopefully tonight (it's 10th february now) will be better.

What have I learnt today?
- Another example of how one-itis is bad. I didn't find the girl, that way I didn't approach girls, and it killed my mood. Trust me, forgetting is easier said than done.

Question to move on:
Nope

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Day 35: 10th February 2013
Carnaval day 3: No luck unfortunately

Goals:
- I aspire to get 5 approaches here. (Man I was on fire, made at least 10+ approaches)
- Pump up the sexuality/sexual frame (moved this goal one day up, but I managed to actually do this)

Field report+:
Another change of plans yesterday. First of all it was planned to go to a different town. My buddy however was soo tired that he didn't even want to go anymore. I was ok with it, because to be honest, I didn't really want to go there. I got dinner at his house, and went home at 19:00. My brothers' friend were still at our place, so I joined them. Went to their hangout place around 20:30 to drink a few beers there, and at 23:15 went to the club. This time it wasn't the club from the past 2 days, but the more adult club in my street. And i'm glad that I went there.

It's a complete different scene. Because everyone is older, it's different than those childish girls from the other days. To be honest, it's more fun to actually talk to the more adult girls, they are challenging. I loved playing around with girls walking by, and girls I knew. I talked to a lot of people, strangers, people I knew. I want to point out the 2 numbers in this field report.

Number close 1:
This was a girl that most of my brothers' friends knew. One of their sister had a friend and I believe she was 20 years old (she thought I was 23, when I said 19 she couldn't believe it). Anyway, we danced quite a lot, made good eye contact and so on. Maybe she was really social (I noticed her talking with many people) or flirting back. Hard to tell, even now. I decided playing safe was over. Sure I drank a bit of alcohol, but still with my senses to play my game. This time I saw her in front of me, and my imagination was running wild. I don't think she was that hot, but I've been building up so much momentum. I made sexual remarks, and she said: "Wow for a 19 year old, you sure are making a lot of sexual remarks". I'm not sure how I replied but I was unaffected, it was my frame. She said at one point: "You do know that I have a boyfriend? He's 30 years old". Normally, in my AFC days, I would have reacted with something like: "Ok, then ill leave you alone". Not this time. Me: "That's cool, but he's not here so you gotta do it with me tonight". She had to laugh and then said: "Hey can you hold my drink, I gotta go to the bathroom". Her friend introduced herself to me, and I made some spinned her around a few times (did it with this girl as well). However she wasn't attractive at all, bit fatty, not a cute face. I definately was not interested in her friend. 5 minutes passed by, 10 minutes passed by, and I was still holding her drink. During the time I saw a cute, nerdy dressed girl, and I approached her. Will tell about her in number close 2. Around 15 minutes later she returned and I said: "Well, you have me waiting for 15 minutes, so I want something in return". She looked confused so I said: "Allow me to show you what I mean". I went in for a kiss, but she turned her head, so I ended up kissing next to her mouth. After that she was even more confused, and immediatly turned to talk to one of my brothers' friends. She did however write her number on my arm so I still got that one. Her ugly friend came up to me and said: "You're a player, aren't you?" I denied it. After the fail attempt (it was 3.00 am) I excused myself 10 minutes later, and said that I would go home. The girl who rejected and the friend were like: "Now already? It's only 3.00 am!" My reaction wasn't so important, I'd seen enough.

Number close 2:
This is the girl I noticed between holding the drink and the return of the previous girl. I saw her talking to one of the girls from my brothers' friends so I went up to her and introduced myself. I thought she was damn sexy in her nerdy costume so I said: "Give me your glasses, let's see if they look better on me". I took 'm and she said: "Naah, I need those, they make me look smart". Me: "Do you need glasses to look smart, why not just be smart instead?" Her: "Haha, well i'm not always that smart". This was leading nowhere. But I had my sexual frame on, and I was going for it, this was a f*ck it moment. I'm not sure how I transitioned to it but at some point I said: "Well, I haven't told you yet, but you look damn sexy in that outfit". She smiled. I said (and this I think was coming of as needy): "I want a kiss from you". She was a bit confused so I said: "Alright then, I'll give you one". F*ck man, when I attempted the same thing happened. She turned her head away at the last point. After that she said: "I think i'm gonna look for my friends". Me: "You don't need to, you've got me around". She again smiled after that, so I didn't totally screw up. Me: "You should give me your number, I like you and want to hang out with you sometime". Without a hesitation she gave the number. I made misscall, and put myself in as Wallie. She then excused herself to look for her friends.

This was a bit of the most important points of that night. 2 fail attempts to kiss close. Even though it happened twice, it did not affect me a single bit. Unbelieveable. I guess because of the confidence that the kiss rejections weren't really important to me. Still too bad, would have been nice to actually make out after 6 months.

What have I learnt today:
- Be careful with girls who actually have boyfriends
- Rejections don't affect me as much as I always think/thought
- To actually get a k-close, I gotta be more smooth. I rushed in probably, and that's the main point of fixing.

Questions to move on:
What would be a smooth way to get a k-close?

Wallie

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:42 pm 
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Day 36: 11th February 2012
Carnaval day 4: And more numbers...

Goals:
- I strive to make around 10 approaches this night. (Hmm, around 5-6 approaches I believe)
- Search classmate to make a picture, we promised that on facebook. Get number to receive the pictures. (read further)

Field report:
Pff. With every number I get, I realise that numbers are totally nothing. It's a number, you can still communicate with her, but I can do better than that. With yesterday included I've collected 7 numbers. What can I say about those numbers. I've been texting 2 girls and I think they aren't interested. 1 girl is the fatty friend which I don't want to speak. 1 number is the girl from the first day, which is actually cute, read further because there was a k-close opportunity. And the other 3 numbers? 1 has a BF, 1 is a classmate who's probably not interested at all, and 1 is a girl I hardly even spoke with.

I think that summarising last night would be better to continue. It was a good night, but also a drunk night. We played beer drinking games at my place, and f*ck, I got drunk. But I was sure in a good mood. Went to the club with younger people around 11:00 pm. I wasn't too crowded (luckily). I've spoken again with many people. The girl I've had a date with was with us as well, and we still had gooood kino. Everytime I spoke with her, I held her by the hips, she did as well. I was teasing her, looking in her eyes and stuff haha. A classmate (guy) asked who she was, so I introduced her to my classmate, since in the end I have no interest for her.

Number close 1:
I wanted to buy a drink at the bar and then I saw my classmate (female) a few feet away from me. I started talking and we agreed to take a picture together (actually agreed that on facebook). I said: give me your number, I'm gonna give you a misscall, and then you can send me the pictures. Her friend was standing next to her, she gave the phone to her. A random number was typed in, and even before I saw the number I said: "That's not your number". Classmate: "Oh but she remembers my number by heart". I shake my head with a no. Her friend gave the phone and lo and behold: It was a 0900#, a.k.a. hooker number in the Netherlands. She eventually gave me her real number, and I wanted to see if it would actually call her. It did fortunately. However I could sense some disinterest. This was not a solid number close. This is how I so far texted her:
Quote:
Me: That 0900 number M..... (name erased for privacy) gave me, it turned out to be an actual nice girl :P
Her: Haha, good!
Me: Adventurous girl actually: she wanted to search for the promised land
Her: Haha well then you're lucky that M..... gave you that number (thumbs up).
Me: Lucky haha, it would only cost me a few hundred euro's
After I spoke with her I saw one of my colleague's. I walked up to him, said a few words and he was talking with a blonde girl, quite cute. She turned out to be the female neighbour, I believe she was 17. We spoke for at least 10 minutes, until she said between the lines: "My boyfriend actually likes...." And I thought f*ck, not again. I didn't want to risk being blown out again, going for the kiss. I excused myself (she was a smoker anyways, I don't really like smokers). Still happy that I talked to her, was a good convo.

Walking around the club and I see the girl from the first day, which was the 2nd number. I talked a bit, but then it followed up by kino such as being very intimate, hugging, dancing, veeeery strong eye contact. I didn't want to rush it up, all I wanted to do was build up the sexual tension. Then she said: "I gotta go to the bathroom". Me: "Don't run away, can't you handle the tension?" Her: "No I reaaaaally need to pee". Ok, I said. I talked with her friends for like 10 minutes, but she didn't return. I said it to my friends. All they said: "Let's look for her, and you will f*cking kiss her, no matter what". Well guess what, I've been there 3 hours after and I didn't see her AT ALL. I asked people she knew if they knew where she was. Nope. Perhaps tonight, it's the final night so.

My friend was having guilt because he thought it was wrong of him that the girl he kissed broke up with her BF. He even hurt himself on the arm. WTF?! I said: "Dude, it's not even your fault, she made the choice so she's responsible, not you". He: "Yes but I'm the older guy here, i'm 18, I should at least make the right choices". Me: "It's not even your choice, and I'm 100% sure that everybody I speak with will agree with". And that's what I did. I asked at least 5 sets (sometimes mixed but most of them girls) the opinion question: "Hey can I have your opinion on something?". It was always ok. Me: "See my friend here kissed a girl who already had a BF. Now the girl has broken up with her BF and chose for my friend, and he feels guilty about it. My question: Is it his fault that she broke up, or did she?" The answer was always the same: "It's the girl's choice". He became more and more convinced with every girl I asked.

Number close 2:
This was after we were walking home. I noticed two of my brothers' friends. Used the opinion opener as well. One of his friends was talking to a girl on the other side of the street. He picked her up (which in this sentence is lifting her up) and carried her towards me. He introduced her to me, so I again used the opinion opener, and she said the same thing. She was clearly drunk, I could have done more then just talking, but I was drunk as well, and my friend was tired, he slept over. He was whining about going to sleep, f*ck! I could have done more. That's the bad side of someone sleeping over. Up until now I haven't texted her, don't think I will do that.
Quote:
Here there are 3 scenario's possible; 1) I've been doing very well, and will meet up some of the girls I've met. 2) I've met a few girls, but there weren't interested in me, so I need to search for some. 3) The past few days were a total disaster, and I didn't follow my goals. This is the final day to still make the best of it. So different goals:
Scenario 1) Build connection with the girls I've met, such as k-closing and bringing them to my home.
Scenario 2) The momentum is good, so just approaching, at least 5 again.
Scenario 3) It doesn't matter how many approaches, as long as I've tried some. The past few days were bad and I need to stay positive.
It's a mix between scenario 1 and 2. 7 numbers collected and I think that 2 of them will go to the same club as I do, no matter what club I will go. But I'd better go to the club where I went yesterday. This time, when I'll see the girl I've been dancing with and made her feel good, she's the one of all the girl who was the most interested. If I see her, I run she same things, kino, dancing, eye contact. And then, when she's totally happy with me, I kiss her. But Ill consider scenario 2 in the back of my mind as well. You just never know. Tonight's the final night, and I'm not done yet!

What have I learnt today:
- Don't trust it when a friend is typing in your target's number. The example is in the field report for explanation.
- Not sure if I said it b4: but always make a misscall, she has your number then immediatly.
- The way of building up sexual tension as I did, is a good way to go for a kiss.
- When a girl breaks up with her boyfriend, it's her choice, not yours. Everybody can agree with that statement.

Questions to move on?
Nope

Wallie

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 11:50 am 
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Day 37: 12th February 2013
Carnaval day 5: I f*cking love fate! (involves a k-close!)

Goals:
- Scenario 2) The momentum is good, so just approaching, at least 5 again. (Momentum big time! Made 10+ approaches)
- Setting my female friend up with my good friend (he's a classmate).

Field report:
We gathered at friends' house for the final time. I only drank 2 beers, my body couldn't handle more haha. At 10.30pm we went to the club I've been the most common. Let's take a summary of last night:
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I've spoken again with many people. The girl I've had a date with was with us as well, and we still had gooood kino. Everytime I spoke with her, I held her by the hips, she did as well. I was teasing her, looking in her eyes and stuff haha. A classmate (guy) asked who she was, so I introduced her to my classmate, since in the end I have no interest for her.
We were standing at one place and I said to my female friend; "Where my classmate?". She lifted her shoulders. I looked around and saw him somewhere further away. What I did was walk up to him, grab him by his arm, and then pulling him towards my female friend. I knew that it wouldn't come off any soon if it had to be decided by fate. That is what made me give it a little help. And well, it was awkward to watch. There was very little to almost none eye-contact, and basically no kino at all between them. There had to be some way I could let them overcome their shyness. Then I remembered Neil Strauss' photo routine: 1 picture of the couple looking normal, 1 picture of both making weird faces, and 1 picture of a romantic moment. I non-verbally made a camera snap towards them, and yes! He immediatly puts his arm around her waist. But the 2nd picture and 3rd picture were never made. (well a 2nd one was made, but no weird faces). That's because I told my female friend before about the routine, which I wanted to use on one of my girls. Making them kiss-attempt failed. At least there was some kino.

In between I noticed a cute blondie (probably 15 years old, too young but whatever, I was playfully flirting). I made eye contact with her eyes, and gave her my smile. I got a nice warm smile back, just as the first girl did a few days ago. I noticed in the corners of my eyes that she threw some looks at me. At one point when she looked, I made eye contact again, reaching out my hand for a dance. Unfortunately she shook her head, and made a head point (don't really know how to say it. She basically pointed with her head and eyes) towards a guy. I assumed that it was her BF. I made a heart sign with my hands, and she nodded yes. I realised that I could have easily steal that girl away from that guy. He was 3 years younger then me, so what could he do?But I know how terrible it is when someone steals your girlfriend. I smiled back and left them alone.Rejected. But what the hell, it really didn't do ANYTHING towards me. I was totally unaffected by it. . I guess that momentum makes you rejection proof. After that I spoke with lots of female strangers, and got rejected like 5 times. Still was unaffected. Wow!

2 hours passed. Suddenly another of my female friends screamed Yeeeeeey! I didn't know why, until I noticed my female friend making out with my classmate. My work was done. And I was happy to see two really good friends connected with each other. (also this way I can't fall back in case of not so good times) Nice. 8) It seems that even though I'm not a true pick-up artist yet, I can still help people who are having more trouble then me.

Suddenly I looked at my phone. 2.30 am. Man I felt like sh*t. Tired and a little bit of stomachache. I said to my classmate, and the rest of my friends, that I'd go home. Everyone said goodbye, except my classmate: "What?, aw come on, stay at least for half an hour, it's the final day!". I thought myself, well what do I have to lose? Let's stay. (and for god sakes i'm glad he said that!) I got back into dancing, having a lot of fun with a girl I know (pff, I start to know too much people haha). Suddenly I look at my left, and my AFC friend who always tries to pick-up girls but crashes and burns always trying to pick-up another girl. It was a 2-set with a tall, gorgeous blonde, but bitchy as hell, and her cute dark-blonde (perhaps brunette) girl, who was quite tiny. However, she had boobs, wow!

My AFC friend was tired (and probably drunk too) but the blonde was tipsy as well. (Note: I only drank 3 beers all night, 2 at friends' house and 1 at the club, remaining was coke). I already saw it coming. And yes: the blonde (bitchy) girl slapped him really hard in his face! I couldn't breath, I had to laugh so hard. (I'm laughing even when i'm typing this). I went to the tiny cute girl and said: "I'm excusing myself for my drunk friend if he's annoying". She laughed. I made a bit of small talk with her, and then went back to my friends. Once again my AFC friend still didn't get the point. I walked back in to the cute tiny girl and started talking again. Danced a bit, got her number. Luckily the bitchy friend didn't notice me, or else I had to face a strong cockblock. My friend walked away from the 2-set. I went back to my friends again. (not even sure why the hell I did this).

They stayed at the same place, close to us. 10 minutes later my AFC friend came back, and once again, tried to pick-up the blonde girl. Once again, I went back in, to the cute tiny brunette. Same small talk, some kino. But oooooh sh*t. The blonde noticed me and began asking questions. I had to face a challenging cockblock. I told her I was a friend of the AFC, and she didn't like it (angry face). Then my best friends' GF passed by and I had a little small talk with her for 2 mins, and went back in to the 2-set. The blonde girl: "Why did you leave us, and tried to pick-up that girl!?!" Me: "She's my best friends' GF". Blonde girl (little less angry now): "Oooooh..." I calmed her down, this was the perfect moment. I grabbed her tiny friend by her waist with one arm, then put my other around her. She did the same and we hugged for a moment. (F*CK, I GOT A BONER WHEN THAT HAPPENED!) She liad her head against my chest (no eye-contact for a moment). It was now or never. I put my right hand on her right cheek, she looked up (eye-contact) and I kissed her, I kissed her, I kissed her!It seemed like 10 minutes, while it was only 10 seconds. I wanted to kiss slowly and build it up, but wow, immediatly a tongue from her side (I have a funny feeling in my stomach now). I heard a yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey! at my left ear. When I stopped kissing, the blonde (bitchy) girl gave a thumbs up, high five. She flipped like a pancake from angry to extremely happy. I did a small dance with the blonde and befriended her (so that's how you deal with a cockblock). Then I left the set. My friends gave a thumbs up. Classmate: "Look at that man, you get what you give". Me: "We're even now, you told me to stay".

I saw the blonde and tiny girl then leave. First I wanted to walk after them, but then I thought: "No, let's not chase her". Good thinking wallie :D. I went home 10 minutes later, and man I was excited. I haven't slept all night and I'm still not tired.
Quote:
To conclude these 5 days of carnaval, I summarise the results here:
- At least 25-50 approaches have been made
- Out of those approaches, I got 8 numbers
- In the very, very end I got a kiss-close with a pretty girl (HB8 at least)
What have I learnt today?
- My newly acquired skills are not only good for myself, but also for the good people around me.
- Momentum kills your AA and it makes you rejection proof.
- Don't go back and forth the whole time, if you talk with a cute girl. (in this case i'm lucky she stayed at her place)
- The hand on the cheek, creates sexual tension and a romantic moment. She loved the kiss.
- Befriend the cockblock, she then even helps you with the girl!

Questions to move on?
- I only have 1 question. How the hell am I gonna choose between all these numbers?!? argh :P I'm texting with the k-close girl now, but other girls are still in the competition as well. This is more fun then I ever thought!

Wallie

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 8:43 pm 
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Text game 3 (I've deleted history of one unfortunately)

I'm about to share some of my text conversations with the girls I've met the past few days. Note that I ALWAYS texted them the next day!This way, you strike the iron when it's still hot. Another thing I want to mention is that I'm basically testing things out, to see what happens, and sort of like finding my style.

Text game #3: 0900-girl a.k.a. hot classmate.
What to mention about this girl? Probably that she's a goddamn gorgeous girl, who can really just get almost ANY guy she wants, including me. Nevertheless, I keep telling myself that i'm not interested. I want to trick my mind in saying that she's no big deal for me, that she's easily replaceable. And so far, it works. Here's the text game:
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13.20, (12-02-2013)Me: That 0900 number M..... (name erased for privacy) gave me, it turned out to be an actual nice girl
13.22, 0900 girl: Haha, good!
13.27, Me: Adventurous girl actually: she wanted to search for the promised land
13.31, 0900 girl: Haha well then you're lucky that M..... gave you that number (thumbs up).
14.13 Me: Lucky haha, it would only cost me a few hundred euro's
(she didn't reply for a while, a dead end, I had to come up with something interesting)
14.46, Me: Btw, everything I said yesterday, don't take 'm too seriously. Beergames had got me pretty good
14.52, 0900 girl: I really don't know everything anymore what you said, haha :)
14.54, Me: Haha, Btw can I have your opinion on something? (Same line, see if the hooks)
14.54, 0900 girl: Well?
14.59, Me: My buddy has kissed a girl, that girl has a BF and she has broken up because of my buddy. He feels guilty
15.00, Me: The question: Who's fault is it, that they broke up, the girl or the guy?
15.03, 0900 girl: That girl should have never kissed anyone while she was having a BF
15.03, 0900 girl: Pretty logical right? ;p
15.06, Me: Haha, indeed. I've asked at least 5 strangers the same question with my buddy next to me, he didn't want to believe it -_-
15.09, 0900 girl: So he thinks it's his fault??
15.09, Me: yes
15.09 0900 girl: About who is it actually if I may ask?
15.09, Me: Haha, a buddy not myself (that's what I assumed she meant)
15.11, 0900 girl: Duh huh, I understand that :P
15.12, 0900 girl: Do I know him?
15.13, Me: N... V... (name hidden for privacy)
15.14, 0900 girl: Oh that guy
(deadpan, not good. Need to come up with something, this did work well however)
15.17, Me: Have you ever experienced something like that yourself?
(this is a very good question I believe. She opened up about herself.
15.20, 0900 girl: Uhh well that somebody tried that to me yes. That I was doing something with a guy and he had a girlfiend besides me xd
15.20, 0900 girl: But maybe is something else probably
(good, I know something really about her that contains deep emotions. She's no player, she got played and it hurt her feelings)
15.21, Me: Yes, tedious. Did he choose for you or for his GF eventually?
15.23, 0900 girl: Well it wasn't his GF
15.23, 0900 girl: So I immediatly broke it with him when I heard that
(2 options, agree or disagree. Agree = deadpan, disagree = continue conversation, so I disagree)
15.25, Me: Oh yes but you need at least some options. If one doesn't end up well you are empty handed.
15.28, 0900 girl: Oh yeah? You've got someone else in no time :P
15.28, 0900 girl: No but not really cool when you're getting fooled right...
15.33, Me: Yes, I have someone else in no-time :P, So you never liked 2 guys at the same time?
15.37, 0900 girl: Haha no actually not! (must be a lie for sure, she's too pretty for that) Did you?
15.37, 0900 girl: Two girls
15.39, Me: Actually I had that last Friday yes, and they were friends
15.40, Me: One girl kept looking at me, and the other one too haha
15.40, 0900 girl: Ooof.....
15.40, 0900 girl: Haha Marc (she uses my real name) is a playerrr
(playful teasing from her side, I'm in)
15.43, Me: Hey, I can't help it that they liked my babyface:)
15.44, Me: I've got a picture from 1 of them
(I'm not really sure why, maybe I tried to impress her, might have been a bad move)
15.47, 0900 girl: Oh you didn't knew those girls? Or where you flirting with them
15.47, 0900 girl: That you have got a picture of them
15.49, Me: No no. It goes like this. I approached the girl on the pic and the photographer is her friend which happened to be cute as well
15.55, Me: [sending picture of me and HB young girl]
15.56, 0900 girl: I don't think I know her! But she's is a pretty girl though
15.58, Me: Jep, but unreachable;)
16.05, 0900 girl: Why so?
16.10, Me: I'm too old :P
16.16, Me: 19 against 15. (I show that I don't take advantage of young girls)
16.18, 0900 girl: And she thinks you're too old? Or do you?;p
16.18, 0900 girl: I think it's actually not that big of a gap haha
(I sparked her interest, I wanted to leave her wanting more, this was a perfect moment)
16.23, Me: Haha. But wallie is going to make pasta for mom and me:). We will talk soon. X
16.40, 0900 girl: Haha, good job;) joewww, enjoy your meal
Pff long text convo. Then it wasn't over yet. Not for me at least. I added her as friend on facebook a few days ago for her to send that first picture. Now this happens today (13th February, 2013):
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13.37, Me: Carnaval 2013, success?
13.48, 0900 girl: I'd say definately success;)
14.39, Me: I have actually met a girl at the final few songs from yesterday
14.45, 0900 girl: Oaaah good job! That's actually a nice end of Carnaval offcourse :)
( I didn't reply, this would lead into a friendzone convo. Then the following happened)
17.38, 0900 girl: Sensual look [She sends me a picture of me and her, with me having a funny player like smile)
17.39, Me: (I guess she saw I was online) ahahahahahah, I look damn sexy;)
17.39, 0900 girl: Haha, pretty bad...
17.39, Me: Lol you can actually blackmail me with that if I'm ever annoying
17.40, 0900 girl: Oh yeah, good one. Ill remember that
17.40, Me: L... (name hidden for privacy), don't tell me your friends saw that....
17.41, 0900 girl: That pic.? Oh yes they did
17.41, Me: Oof, I won't be able to show myself at school next week :P
17.42, 0900 girl: Oh no, I've got worse ones on my camera
17.43, Me: Haha, I think I saw you yesterday at Apollo, could it be?
17.43, Me: (mom calls for dinner) I have to eat, must have been some1 else. Bye;)
I'm actually not really interested. Her looks aren't affecting me at all, even though she's gorgeous. But I might have to watch out, not to get too clingy or texting dog. So what i'm gonna do is freeze her for a while. First i'm gonna check if the plans for my new HB girl will be all good. If not, then this girl is my back-up plan!

I see that it takes a lot of time to post these texting convo's. Ill post text game #4 ( the one actually involving the new girl which ill date ) later on, how I got towards the movie date at my place.

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Day 38: 16th February 2013
Meet her up, impress her friends.

Goals:
- No SPAM until a little before going out
- Show up later then she does
- Win her friends over (sure did that)
- Isolate and build up the kiss

Field report:
Well. It was a little bit of trouble. I actually had somewhat of a date at my place last Thursday, but she texted me that day that she was ill. I wasn't really sure if it was true, I asked her yesterday, and she explained it. Even though she lied a little bit, she did it for the purpose of me still liking her. But let's say this:

After she denied going to my place, I was a little bit disappointed. I lost a little bit of interest, but still kept contact with her. It turned out that she still likes me, (i know from her friends), and she actually told I was a cool guy. So what I wanted to do is making HER suggest going out. Which she eventually did (i'm not going to post the text game anymore, it's kinda bad to be honest). She wanted to go shopping, but there was no day available. I only saw 1 chance of seeing her, and that was going out to the club where I kissed her. She replied with a text: I'd love to!

I was looking forward to it, but I didn't want to. So I kept saying to myself: She's not coming, she's not coming. Maybe this does sound AFC, but I generally wanted to stop thinking about her all the time. She was in my head too much, I was too much tempted to text her. And people constantly asking about her doesn't really help either.

Now the field report itself, most important part offcourse. I SPAM her around 6:00 pm, telling her that I'd be there around 11:30 pm. She replied: oke :). Yeah, she's shy, I can tell. So I went home from work at 6:15 pm, went into bad at 7:00 pm, and slept till 10:00pm. After waking up, doing some music listening to get into a good mood, always helps. Shower, doing hair and stuff and then offcourse walking towards the club. Once going inside, it was totally not busy at all (as expected). I noticed some familiar people I know from school and started socializing with them offcourse. 1 guy looked strange at me: he knew me from something but didn't know what. I talked a bit with him, and then about the girl I was there for. He knew her from school, so I learned a little bit about her.

Then, I noticed the blonde (bitchy) girl standing behind the group I was talking to, with a few female friends. I walked up to her and said: "Hey, how's it going?". She didn't recognize me. I explained about the last Tuesday and then she remembered. I asked her to introduce me to her friends (karin, anne, femke (good friend), joey and I believe a guy named freek ; I'm typing this in case I forget). The 2 guys seemed like tough guys, guys you don't want to get in trouble with. I introduced myself nicely. At first they had no intention talking to me. This is where the PUA stuff came in. I made some jokes, and they laughed. Now they liked me and I was in. I said I'd return as soon as my girl returned. 2 mins. later I see the blonde waving at me and pointing towards my girl. I excused myself and went to my girl offcourse. But man, the first words were awkward haha. I knew that any more words would be more awkward so I decided to talk to her friends, get to know her friends better. After that I went back to my girl and I gave it all: "Hey, it's good to see you, and I want to say something: I like you, and would love to see you more often". She smiled. A brief moment of silence (eye-contact) and then she said: "We still need to see that movie together". I replied: "Yeah, but this time, your place instead of mine. Let's have Tuesday in mind ok?". (I took the lead). She nodded.

Then I started taking some pictures of the group. I wanted to make myself the point of interest. I was the one making the calls, even though I didn't knew any of these girls. Not trying to impress the girl, but just offering my value. And by offering my value to the group, my own value increased. Soon the friends opened up and liked talking to me. 1 of her friends said: "You should be involved in the pictures as well". I replied: "Take one of me and L..... (the girl I like)". She nodded, I gave my phone and she made the picture of me and L.....

I rejoined the first group I was talking to and had fun with them. An hour later I noticed that everyone of the girls were gone. I thought, that they were in the bathroom together. Until I noticed one of her friends, and she said that they were at the place in the club where you can eat. I spotted all of them, and said goodbye (it was 2 am.) My girl wasn't happy of me leaving, but I didn't want to act clingy. Her friends said: "Give her a kiss" (this is the moment were I just knew that everything was done right that night). She stood up, I gave her a hug first, and then I kissed her, just 2 kisses, nothing more. Always leave them wanting more. I said goodbye to every girl apart, and the blonde was talking to a guy. When I said goodbye to the girl, the guy was acting jealous: "Don't you see that I was talking to her?" (this is an example of how NOT to do it). I said: "Hey man, just saying goodbye to her". Him: "Well too bad for you but I was talking to her first (angry look)". I knew it would be dumb to provoke the conversation, so I just left. 2 guys I knew where standing in front of me, asking who the girl was I liked. I didn't wanted to, and 1 tried to leave me there at the club. I didn't want to play games, so I just said; "You"ll see soon enough". And that was it, a night of succesfully winning over the friends. Now we agreed to see each other next Tuesday at her place. Mission accomplished! Thanks community!

What have I learnt today:
- How to offer value, instead of trying to lower others (which I normally did).
- Win the friends, and like you saw here, they actually want to help you to get the girl you want/like.
- Knowing a lot of people is good for your social value.

Questions to move on:
Nope. Everything is going very well

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Date #2: Girl from day 37 (19 th February 2013)
Now I've met the most important people of her life

Goals:
- Make sure that her parents have a good impression on me (check)
- Find out more about my girl (was kind off hard, mother and sister questioned me a lot)

Date report:
So I took the car and went towards her town at 19:00. I couldn't find the house, so I stopped at the church of her town and SPAM her that I couldn't find it. She was online and immediatly texted back: "Ok, I'm gonna pick you up then, see you in a minute;)". She took the bicycle and when she arrived she said: "Hop on, Ill cycle". Me: "Lol haha, don't think that's a good idea, i'm a bit heavy (72 kilo's). Let me cycle". (note: I didn't kiss her yet here). She told me the directions to her house (easier to find than I thought).

I went inside and immediatly greeted her mother. She was happy to see me (perhaps because this girl doesn't bring a lot of boys home) and right from the beginning she told a lot, asked a lot and well was happy with my presence. I guess the daughter a.k.a. my date told good things about me. Told about the dog, work, basic (boring) stuff you gotta tell to make a good impression. Problem was that I've been sitting in the living room all with my girl, her mother and her sister. Her dad came back from soccer coaching and wasn't too curious about me (hmm...?). He just teased me a bit. My girl told me that's what her dad does a lot with boys. We were supposed to watch a movie (which I thought would be private) but well we only watched Schindlers List which was on the television. Around 23:10 I wanted to go. Luckily the commercials were on so that was a perfect moment to say goodbye to the family. Her parents said: "Well, I guess till next time right (smile)?". So I guess that they liked me from what they heard and saw. I guess training myself in social situations and practising on girls has really made me an attractive guy, because I hardly see people being bored when I talk.

I took the bicycle of hers, her on the back of it offcourse, and cycled back to my car. (it was a 15-20 minute drive). Once I reached the car, I could see a feeling of attraction in her eyes, when we made eye contact. She told me that I held myself good. I guess that's because I felt confident all night, wasn't nervous at all (okay, maybe a bit before but I was excited as well). When we made eye contact (there was a 3 feet distance), I walked towards her, gave her a hug and kissed with for a few seconds....slowly... She liked it. Told her that I liked the night, liked meeting her parents and that stuff. Then again, I kissed her, but a few strings of hair were between our lips haha. I noticed and said it offcourse. She felt ashamed, pulled her hair back and we kissed again...slowly..... In my mind I said: "Enjoy it, enjoy this moment!", which I surely did. I felt a funny feeling in my stomach, attraction...? Her lips were so soft, even now I have a funny feeling when typing this. I then said goodbye, texted her about how good she smelled, and that I enjoined making out with her. I then said: "I'm sure you liked it as well". She replied with a yeah, totally!. I'm in. She had to sleep and said a goodnight. And that was it :)

What have I learnt today?
- A date/meetup at her place is more comfortable since it's a place she knows very well.
- Only con is that you might not get to be with her 1 on 1.

Questions to move on?
Nope.

Wallie

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Well done man! Altough I would find it really fucked up if I had to watch a movie with a girl and her parents the first time we date.... LOL. But you are taking it slow I guess;). Well KUDO's for you anyway.

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Text game #4
This is what happens when you get needy/nice guy!!

this is the girl from date #2; I made mistakes, and asked skills for help on this text:
Quote:
This was right after the date, when she kissed me 3 times goodbye:
Quote:
18th Febuary
00:13 Me: How bad of me, I totally forgot to say how good your perfume smelled
00:14 Her: Oh bad!
00:15 Me: Didn't you notice that I secretly smelled your hair a few times;)
00:16 Her: No haha, did it smell good?
00:16 Me: That's what I just told you smartass
00:19 Me: Was nice to see you, too bad we hardly talked
00:20 Her: Indeed, but it will be okay
00:22 Me: Just meetup another time
00:23 Her: Definately
00:25 Me: Next time we'll make sure that we're alone, or else I stay too mysterious
00:26 Her: Haha yeah
00:31 Me: Kissing you really ended the night well
00:33 Her: Haha, was it so good?
00:33 Me: I enjoyed every second of it
00:34 Her: Ah that's sweet
00:34 Her: (Then she sends me a smiley like this)
00:35 Me: No you're sweet
( this is a mistake I know, now I read it, it really sounds AFC)
00:38 Me: And I know for sure that you enjoyed making out as well
00:38 Her: Yeah definately
( after this she goes to sleep, and tells me goodnight )
In between it was a bit of texting back and forth. Nothing really happened until I heard that one of my female friends told one of HER friends that I meant it serious with this girl (that I wanted a relationship). I was really pissed off when I heard that my female friend told this, and I confronted her with it. Now I tried to get into another meetup, and this is where things went wrong, that I can't figure out:
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25th February
16:24 Me: Lol, you'll never believe what just happened
17:56 Her: Tell me haha
(some lame story that I told her, I couldn't think of anything sexual or something that way)
18:17 Me: I had a test, teacher doesn't show up after 20 mins. Wanted to go home, teacher arrives at that exact moment, and blamed us for not having patience.
18:23 Her: Oehh haha, right on the last moment
(between this, there was a bit of telling stories about detention, not too interesting until I say this:,)
18:53 Me: Luckily I'm home tomorror at noon.
18:54 Me: Too bad I lost a bet and now I have to bake pancakes for 2 of my friends
18:55 Her: Haha, well that's not too hard
18:55 Her: I'm finished at 17:00
18:59 Me: Not too hard you say? Last time they ended up blakc and powdery
19:02 Her: Haha turd, neeever happened to me
19:04 Me: I cán cook, you should taste it, then we"ll see whos the turd
19:27 Her: You ghehe
19:32 Me: You don't believe me don't you?
19:32 Her: Yeah alright, for this one time
19:33 Her: Then you can cook for me some time
( I took it as a hint for perhaps a meetup, and I'm not lying, I can cook well, my mother says I do)
19:34 Me: Haha, tell me your favourite dish, and I'll make you lick your fingers
19:37 Her: Hmm
19:37 Her: Fries
19:37 Her: No i'm just kidding haha, I eat everything except fish
19:42 Me: Alright I'm normally good with pasta or rice
( I texted her this weekend to meetup this Tuesday, she said she had to look because of homework )
19:47 Me: Like I said, tomorrow I'll have time, if it suits you as well
( No reaction for 45 minutes, even though she was online, SPAM showed me, so I throw in one more text )
19:47 Me: I've made you speachless, so I'll see you tomorrow

And it has been silent ever since, she has read it for sure, but just plane ignores me now. And I'm right where I was before, emptyhanded, because I screwed up again, and I want to learn from this!. Did I sound needy, not sexual enough or just rude? If so, where and what could I have done.

1 more thing: GFTOW instead of this girl? Because maybe I started to like her too much.

Wallie
The answer:
Quote:
- the texting was really really really really bad
- it was not like i advocate 50/50 you were doing all the texting and she was like whatever just answering out of politness so it was 90/10 not 50/50...
- You were complementing too much, too needy, and too invested, the convos where long, boring and not goal or frame or subcommunication...
- To make things worst your friend told her you are looking for a "relationship" ... Horrible texting afc style/nice guy vibe=killing attraction...
- you need to be more POLIRIZING, with polirization women will send you to fuck off, or they will fuck you... Either way you win...
This is straight to the point, 100% honesty, and that's why skills is a good mentor. He says what's on his mind. I don't mind it that he called it bad, because it WAS bad. This post is for me to realize that something HAS to change. No goddamn nice guy stuff anymore, no more boring stuff! No more low risk messages! Show some sexual stuff dude, you're a man, not a pussy. Only one way to forget this: GFTOW! (go find ten other women)

What have I learnt today:
- Man up! Become the sexual guy that will wet their tight panties!
- Stop acting all needy over text, maybe even in real life.
- I also broke my own rule: Never EVER get attached to a woman so early, maybe not even later
- Next time you have a woman: hold it to yourself. Too much people involved = well what here happened or it could get worse
- No more talking with mommy, daddy or friends 'dates', sexual meetup only! Period!

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Quote:
Text game #4
This is what happens when you get needy/nice guy!!

this is the girl from date #2; I made mistakes, and asked skills for help on this text:
Quote:
This was right after the date, when she kissed me 3 times goodbye:
Quote:
18th Febuary
00:13 Me: How bad of me, I totally forgot to say how good your perfume smelled
00:14 Her: Oh bad!
00:15 Me: Didn't you notice that I secretly smelled your hair a few times;)
00:16 Her: No haha, did it smell good?
00:16 Me: That's what I just told you smartass
00:19 Me: Was nice to see you, too bad we hardly talked
00:20 Her: Indeed, but it will be okay
00:22 Me: Just meetup another time
00:23 Her: Definately
00:25 Me: Next time we'll make sure that we're alone, or else I stay too mysterious
00:26 Her: Haha yeah
00:31 Me: Kissing you really ended the night well
00:33 Her: Haha, was it so good?
00:33 Me: I enjoyed every second of it
00:34 Her: Ah that's sweet
00:34 Her: (Then she sends me a smiley like this)
00:35 Me: No you're sweet
( this is a mistake I know, now I read it, it really sounds AFC)
00:38 Me: And I know for sure that you enjoyed making out as well
00:38 Her: Yeah definately
( after this she goes to sleep, and tells me goodnight )
In between it was a bit of texting back and forth. Nothing really happened until I heard that one of my female friends told one of HER friends that I meant it serious with this girl (that I wanted a relationship). I was really pissed off when I heard that my female friend told this, and I confronted her with it. Now I tried to get into another meetup, and this is where things went wrong, that I can't figure out:
Quote:
25th February
16:24 Me: Lol, you'll never believe what just happened
17:56 Her: Tell me haha
(some lame story that I told her, I couldn't think of anything sexual or something that way)
18:17 Me: I had a test, teacher doesn't show up after 20 mins. Wanted to go home, teacher arrives at that exact moment, and blamed us for not having patience.
18:23 Her: Oehh haha, right on the last moment
(between this, there was a bit of telling stories about detention, not too interesting until I say this:,)
18:53 Me: Luckily I'm home tomorror at noon.
18:54 Me: Too bad I lost a bet and now I have to bake pancakes for 2 of my friends
18:55 Her: Haha, well that's not too hard
18:55 Her: I'm finished at 17:00
18:59 Me: Not too hard you say? Last time they ended up blakc and powdery
19:02 Her: Haha turd, neeever happened to me
19:04 Me: I cán cook, you should taste it, then we"ll see whos the turd
19:27 Her: You ghehe
19:32 Me: You don't believe me don't you?
19:32 Her: Yeah alright, for this one time
19:33 Her: Then you can cook for me some time
( I took it as a hint for perhaps a meetup, and I'm not lying, I can cook well, my mother says I do)
19:34 Me: Haha, tell me your favourite dish, and I'll make you lick your fingers
19:37 Her: Hmm
19:37 Her: Fries
19:37 Her: No i'm just kidding haha, I eat everything except fish
19:42 Me: Alright I'm normally good with pasta or rice
( I texted her this weekend to meetup this Tuesday, she said she had to look because of homework )
19:47 Me: Like I said, tomorrow I'll have time, if it suits you as well
( No reaction for 45 minutes, even though she was online, SPAM showed me, so I throw in one more text )
19:47 Me: I've made you speachless, so I'll see you tomorrow

And it has been silent ever since, she has read it for sure, but just plane ignores me now. And I'm right where I was before, emptyhanded, because I screwed up again, and I want to learn from this!. Did I sound needy, not sexual enough or just rude? If so, where and what could I have done.

1 more thing: GFTOW instead of this girl? Because maybe I started to like her too much.

Wallie
The answer:
Quote:
- the texting was really really really really bad
- it was not like i advocate 50/50 you were doing all the texting and she was like whatever just answering out of politness so it was 90/10 not 50/50...
- You were complementing too much, too needy, and too invested, the convos where long, boring and not goal or frame or subcommunication...
- To make things worst your friend told her you are looking for a "relationship" ... Horrible texting afc style/nice guy vibe=killing attraction...
- you need to be more POLIRIZING, with polirization women will send you to fuck off, or they will fuck you... Either way you win...
This is straight to the point, 100% honesty, and that's why skills is a good mentor. He says what's on his mind. I don't mind it that he called it bad, because it WAS bad. This post is for me to realize that something HAS to change. No goddamn nice guy stuff anymore, no more boring stuff! No more low risk messages! Show some sexual stuff dude, you're a man, not a pussy. Only one way to forget this: GFTOW! (go find ten other women)

What have I learnt today:
- Man up! Become the sexual guy that will wet their tight panties!
- Stop acting all needy over text, maybe even in real life.
- I also broke my own rule: Never EVER get attached to a woman so early, maybe not even later
- Next time you have a woman: hold it to yourself. Too much people involved = well what here happened or it could get worse
- No more talking with mommy, daddy or friends 'dates', sexual meetup only! Period!

Wallie

Hey man! not the sexual meet up period! just do not do the traditional dating, the goal of texting remember to increase your buying temperature, to intrigue her, to come out different, unique, not needy, take it or leave it dude, with a goal of a meet up(sexual encounter may be advance and a bit risky at this point)... Good job dude check your email...

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Day 39: 2nd March 2012
Hang out with natural?

Goals:
- Make 5 approaches (2/5)
- Learn from my natural colleague

Field report (short):
It's a short field report because last night wasn't what I expected. I went to the club alone to meet up my colleague. I wandered around the whole club and 2 girls were dancing. When I passed by 1 girl gave a warm smile to me and waved. I smiled and waved back, but kept on walking. Strange... Normally I would have definately just walked up to that girl and said something normal or introduce myself. Though this time I didn't

After finally finding him, he had 3 friends next to him so I introduced myself. Talking with my colleague was very short, he knows a lot of people. I know quite some people but nothing compared to him. I observed him, trying to find out about his body language and stuff. From what I noticed it was like this: standing tall, look everyone in the eye when speaking and not even looking away, dividing the eye contact between the people that listen, using his hands and arms for gestures, legs spreaded a little bit wider then normal. So that's something to keep in mind.

Unfortunately, when I got drinks for one of his friends and myself, he was gone. His friend said, he'll be back soon, but I didn't want to wait. For me it was clear: it doesn't matter if I've got someone good in pick up next to me, in the end, you gotta do it yourself. So that's the lesson I learned last night. I've not been looking around for women as much as I wanted so all in all; maybe today wasn't a day for pick-up, more something to use for the future.

EDIT:
In fact, there is one more thing I have to say. Yesterday, I was clearly out of state, just wandering around, no approaching (or not really). And offcourse, this is something that most people have. I was just looking around at the forum, and then I stumbled upon this post: i-routinely-go-out-to-sarge-and-routine ... 56711.html

Basically, it's all about state. When you're out of state, you have to realise it and say to yourself: "I'm not in state, this has to stop". More explaination in the Tyler video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeE19ueRYa0

This is something good for me that I found: When I haven't got momentum, or social momentum, it's basically talking with people. Just like Warped Mindless explains in his night game guide.

What have I learnt today?
- How to apply body language in terms of speaking and convincing people + how to use humor.
- You gotta do it yourself buddy!

Questions to move on?
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Wallie

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Day 40: 15th March 2013
Ms Kitty

Goal:
- Hanging out, nothing special

Field report:
Well it has been 2 weeks since I went out, and unfortunately this wasn't my best day. Nevertheless, I made an approach on a girl I found attractive, so I'm still satisfied, since 2 weeks of no approaching completely kills your social momentum.

We went to a local bar where only a few people hang out (approximately 50). At least 40 of them where guys, so that leaves only 10 girls left. From the 10 girls, there was 1 group with a bit attractive girls, and 2 girls, a few (4) which were part of my brothers group, and 2 girls at a table. When my friends started darting, I didn't was watching the sides, because I don't like darting at all. I saw there was a space left at the table with the 2 girls, so I just made some excuse like; Is this chair taken? She said: "This is my footbench". Me: "Too bad, not anymore". She looked me without expression haha. So I said: "You want your footbench back don't you?" Her: "yeah!" Me: "Well sorry, you gotta buy me a drink for that". I could read of her that she wasn't too cool with those words.

I kinda started talking with her, but my friend also come up and joined the table... And man he was crashing and burning hard. Needy alert! When I asked her name she said: "I forgot". I made a joke: "Wow, your parents must be really dissappointed. When you were born they took 1 name out of millions and you just forgot it. I wonder what they will think when you say that!". She laughed. I didn't really care for her name, but my friend did. He was constantly saying: "What's your name, what's your name??". A few guys were with the girls and he asked one of the guys. She wasn't happy with that, but at least I knew her name. There were some darts on the table from a friend of mine. She took 'm and said: "Who's are these?" I said; "I don't know". Her: "Well they're mine now!". Me: "You can't just take 'm and say they're yours". I took her phone. "See? You wouldn't like that either". She put up her shoulder like she didn't care. Then one of her guy friends took the phone, entered the good password and giving handing the phone to me, lol. Suddenly she did care because I could look at her SPAM and stuff. When I didn't want to give the phone initially she started scratching my arm and hands. I didn't like that at all. From then on I called her Ms Kitty, and told my friend because his GF did the same once haha.

And she kept scratching me for no reason, so I teased her back by tickling her in the side, which she couldn't handle either. It was funny as hell. There was some kino, but not attraction. I was bored however and there weren't really other girls to talk to. At one point she said: "Are you always that annoying"? At this point I'm still not sure if it was meant for real, or just a remark to test me. Me: "Ms Kitty, I don't appreciate girls scratching my arms" then showing her the little scratches. She laughed but I was already turned off by this girl. Fortunately she left 5 mins later. This was surely an unreceptive girl. I made some kino with hand on the back, holding her hands, but she didn't really reacted receptive.

At 0.30 am I went with 2 friends to another bar. When you go inside you have to go all the way to the back to hang your coats (I know right?). When walking through the crowd, I looked every girl in the eye. 1 girl responded with stroking her wet hand at my cheek. I made a blergh! face and then suddenly another girl of her started grinding me like a wild animal! Unfornately she wasn't attractive for me, and when I got pushed in my back for it, I just walked through. My friend saw it happening and he couldn't stop laughing. Me: "Wow, only 3 minutes in and I'm already driving the girls wild!". There were more girls there, though I was having too much fun playing with the girl classmates. Saw a bunch of people I knew, took some group pictures and I left at 2.00 am. Good night without even having real goals of pick-up!

What have I learnt today?
- Without goals I can still make approaches, though it would be better to go out with a plan.
- For 2 weeks of not going out (it was test week, school was more important), I still call it a good night

The next day I wanted to go out again, but not alone. However nobody joined me, so after work I've slept from 8:30 pm, till 9:30 am the next day. Even though I didn't go out, it was still a fun weekend.

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Day 41: 29th March 2013
Free drinks

Goals:
- No real goals, it was more a day of relaxing

Field report:
That night I first had to gave demonstration (with other people as well) of my pentjak silat club. Every member of the club had to give a piece of his own from what he learned, and show that to a small crowd (around 20 people).

Then when I was back I went to the local bar, because they had re-opened after a new inside design. And the bar was crowded as hell. Immediatly when I got in my friend saw me and gave me a beer. Since it is now 3 days later I don't really have that much of a memory from how the night went but these are the things I can remember:

I saw one of the guys from which my friend stole his GF. I talked to him and he realised that eventually it was the girlfriend who made the choice to cheat, and not him. He said that he wasn't mad at my own friend anymore, which is true offcourse. The girl made the choice, not he.

After an hour Ms Kitty and her friends came into the bar. I've been talking to her and her friends for a little while, and I was having much fun. Teasing the girls, kino'ing but nothing really special happened.

Also my friends' girlfriend was there (which is a colleague of mine). She is always very shy to people she doesn't know at all, but with me she always has a lot of fun. Everytime I'm out and she's there she automatically comes to me. I guess she can have fun with me :).

That night I"ve been talking with so many people that I can't even remember how many it was. 5-10-15? I got a little bit drunk but that was because of the free drinks. Why resist an offer like that right?

And I've only been staying there for 2 hours. It was a good start for a good weekend.

What have I learnt today?
- I am a fun person that draws the attention of people.

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Day 42: 30th March 2013
Language barrier

Goals:
- Make 5 approaches (4/5)
- Own the room (I danced on the dancefloor with people watching me, so it's a start)
- Apply sexual desires (read FR)
- Have an amazing night

Field report:
Basic stuff as usual. Working on Saturday from 8 to 5 (however it was this time only me and a colleague since of the cold weather, there is hardly any work).

Then when I got home slept till 08:30 pm and then went to same local bar (just as day 41) but didn't drink anything yet. It was going to be a very long night. Then at 21:30 we took a bus towards a German nightclub. One friend arranged a party bus (which wasn't really a party bus, because the music was not loud at all or any party in it). It was our group and a local soccer team (26 year olds). Nothing special happened.

Once inside we went to the main room and man it was nothing compared to the local club. Girls dressed in short clothes, short skirts, tattoo's, different hairstyles, older ladies in the room (milfs, cougars). I've so far nothing seen anything like this.

We got a paycard, which contained number prices that you would have to pay in the end. We all had money so we got into drinking a LOT. And man it was fun. Hot attractive women passing by, it was great!!

However I'm not that good at speaking German. My friend said: "Lol they don't care, they think it's cute when you speak in broken German. I gave it a try at first but I wasn't confident in myself. A few rejections. Though it didn't hurt the rejection, that's something that is less and less every time.

My friend who already has a GF still went on flirting with the girls. It was inspiring. It told me that it was possible, and I gained some confidence. But keep in mind, I also had drinking quite some beers (I know I know, bad habit sorry). We both saw a girl dancing in the middle of the dance room and I took my chance. I started dancing with her and at some point started talking with her. I said that my German wasn't so good after she had a hard time understanding me, and then she told me she could speak English as well. Lucky me, I'm at least good at that!

I got to know her name, and she was 23, so 4 years older. But also having a BF. Well, drunk me didn't care at all. I still got very close, dancing my body pressed against her, not giving a sh*t. And she still didn't cheat on her boyfriend. I respect that. I have challenged her big time, with sexual eye contact, telling her that nobody would ever know. At some point she wanted to take shots, so she asked her friend for the pay card, took my hand and we went to the bar. She gave me a shot and a free drink. I told her that cross the arms when drinking the shot, which she was ok with. I then asked a random girl to take a picture with me and her.

After the picture I said that I almost had to leave (it was 3 o'clock, the bus left at 3:15). She gave me her facebook name, and wanted me to return the 11th of April. I denied that offer and told her; No, i'm not coming here any time soon. (not because I don't want, but just because I don't need her). She kept on telling me to come back any time soon, but I kept denying the offers. At some point it was time, so she kissed me goodbye on the cheek and I left.

At the way back I fell asleep. My friends didn't wake me up, because one had to throw up in the bus (disgusting..) They said I smelt really bad and that's why they wanted to leave the bus as soon as the first stop was there. Luckily the next stop was only 3 streets away, so I could still just walk home. All in all, drunk as hell, but a good, good night! And it wasn't even that expensive, half the price!

What have I learnt today:
- Watch out with alcohol
- Language barrier is hard, but that doesn't mean that I can't be confident in myself for that
- Going to different clubs is something to do more often.

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