My progress as a Pua: HAVING TROUBLE IN ONE AREA



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:13 pm 
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Hello all!

I've progressed a lot as a pua, my text game is great (thanks to skills360) I'm funny, creative on things to do in dates, I can tell a lot about a girl and instantly understand her. I'm overall a fun guy. Like once I'm on a date and we're talking, I instantly take over and I'm fun, no anxiety, I'm talkative and funny.

But there's still issues I'm STRUGGLING WITH.

1. I'm unable to get the girls I want, the hot ones. I don't know what to open with.
2. The main issue is that I don't know what to say from: Opening to transition I.e. the first 10 minutes of talking to her. What's the first thing I should say? What do I follow that with?


3. Kiss closing. This area needs work. I don't know WHEN (in public?) or HOW I should do it (what to say to engage the kiss).

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I'm interested in this post! I'm in the same area


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Ask her a social question. Like what is he doing at that particular time? Anything along those lines would work. You could ask them what they do in their free time and continue asking questions from there based on what she says. Its called cherry picking. You could also move the set (instant date perhaps). This is a big leap of faith on her part and she is less likely to flake on you if she does move venues with you. Be sure to get her number after that.

Also open with either indirect, situation, or direct. For direct i usually go with Hey this is really random but your absolutely adorable. My name is ____ tell me everything about you! Make it longer, make it shorter but you get the idea. After that ask some social questions, and start to evaluate her. See if she is the type of girl that you would be interested in seeing again. I usually close by saying "hey will i got to go, let me get your number, we'll talk and if we like each other we will hang out." I absolutely dare a girl not to give you her number after saying that! After that i would text her soon after or even call her right there so that she gets your number. Next set up a date or day two and escalate physically asap!


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3. Kiss closing. This area needs work. I don't know WHEN (in public?) or HOW I should do it (what to say to engage the kiss).
At the end of a date there's a moment where you're about to leave a girl. So you'll say goodbye somewhere like a taxi rank or train station or if you drop her off in a car at her place or wherever. You say goodbye, we had fun (not something lame like "I had a really nice time would you like to do this again?"), and go for the full kiss on the lips right there, don't ask permission, just go for it. If she doesn't want you to - she'll brush you aside and allow a peck on the cheek. If she lets you steal a kiss (important that it's kind of 'stolen'), from there it's sort of up to her what happens next- you have to look like you're going to escape, so she'll chase you.

In a club or something, you can just tell by looking in a girls eyes, it's weird. You just sort of ... get an instinct for it. Takes practice to learn when, I guess. And it either happens or doesn't when you go for it. Thing is, if you try to kiss a chick, if they even remotely like you, they'll pretty much always let you.


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Thanks for your responses guys, but I don't think they adequately answer my questions.

Rocket88, how is asking social questions demonstrate attraction? Any guy can ask her that. It's sorta boring, asking question after question. Plus, I don't that that would get me the girls I want.

Hard to kill, A lot of pua's say never to wait at the end of the date because than its expected, like every other guy. I rather have a set system that test the waters.

Still some good advice though. No offense to anyone but are there some more experienced pua's that can answer this? Skills360, pumpington?

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Asking questions is a dominant trait showing that you will not just go out with anybody. I am not saying interrogate her rather find out what makes her tick. First ask yourself why you would want to date someone based only on their looks? We all want a good looking girl but if you have no common ground i cant see this going anywhere, especially on a date. If you dont ask her any questions you are doing yourself a disservice. When you go direct you dont even need to qualify yourself because the fact that you have the balls to go and talk to her without the bs gives you all the attraction you need.

You ask how do you transition from opening to having a normal conversation. Well ask a question about her and have her talk about her self. Try that before you doubt it.

Next you ask about kissing. The only rule about kissing is that there is no perfect time. It sounds like you are looking for some sort of sign or have god whisper in your ear kiss her now or something of the sort but once again you are putting yourself at a disservice. Just kiss her when ever you feel comfortable with kissing her. She might turn her cheek. Who cares. Just kiss her again in a few minutes. Be persistent, be creative, and you will kiss her no problem.

It seems to me that the community has been brain washed to think pickup is this precise science and only X Y and Z work in situation 1, 2, and 3 when in reality anything can work at any given momment. Picking up girls and hooking up with them is easy. If it was hard than the human race would have died out a long time ago.

now the next section i am about to post are from various articles on this forum. I in no way wrote them but i found them helpful in my journey so i saved them to a word document. I wish i could give credit to those who wrote them but unfortunately i did not cite the author. Hope they help!

Section 3 - Opening
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Before you learn how to open you must first learn the three types of openers:

- Indirect. These openers include things like asking a chick for her opinion or asking for the time. These are called indirect openers because you are hiding your intentions with these openers.

- Situational. These are openers that vary with each situation. For instance, lets say shes reading a magazine when you approach her. If you open with a situational opener you would comment on her magazine. If shes in a long checkout line in front of you then your opener would be something about the long line.

- Direct. Direct openers are the exact opposite of indirect openers in the sense that with direct your walking up and laying your cards on the table. With direct you tell her flat out that you find her attractive.

I cant exactly sit here at tell you which opener to use. However, I can tell you that I would strongly suggest that you never use indirect openers as you will look lame. The one exception is if you have really bad approach anxiety. I would suggest that once you have your approach anxiety handled you experiment with both situational and direct and find what works best for you. I use both quite frequently.

I’m a big fan of going direct and being a man about your desires and most of the time that's what I do. However, approaching that way isn’t always the best way. When I approach a woman I will usually throw out a Tester Statement such as “excuse me.” Once I throw that out I see how she reacts to me. It only takes a split second to size her up. Did she respond (both verbally and non verbally) warmly to me, cold, standoffish, confused, scared, ect…

If she responds warmly I will go direct but I don’t go over the top with silly things such as “Your hot lets fuck.” My direct openers are more low key such as “Excuse me, I seen you from over there and I just had to come meet you.” Another example is, “Excuse me, your completely adorable/cute and I had to come say hi.”

If she doesn’t respond so warmly I will usually open with a situational opener. For example, if shes reading a book I’ll make a comment on the book shes reading. Situational openers are easy to come up with on the fly. Simply open your eyes and observe something and then make a comment about it to her.

Now that you know the types of openers its important to know how to open. Many people like to over complicate the opening process but I'm going to keep it simple because frankly, opening is simple.

If the girl you want to approach is sitting down then simply walk over and spit out your opener. Talk for a second and then sit down beside her.

If shes standing then do the same thing minus the sitting.

If shes walking then simply go up and walk beside her and open. keep walking with her for a minute or two and then tell her to stop.

Don't approach using weird angles and don't use some retarded false time constraint. Be a man and open like one.

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Section 4 - Form a Connection
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Once you stop and open a woman its time to start developing an emotional connection with her. The quickest and best way to share a deep emotional connection with a woman is to open yourself up and really share yourself and who you are. She will follow your lead.

What does opening yourself up actually look like? When most guys approach a woman and start conversing they only talk about surface level, mundane things. Instead of talking about where you live and what you do for a living its better to talk about your passions, dreams, and other things that involve emotions and feelings. Once you do this you can encourage her to open herself up and share an emotional connection with you.

Once she opens up you can encourage her to then dig even deeper and share even more emotions with you. For example: you ask her about her biggest passion and she explains that she does ballet. Instead of leaving it there you should probe a bit further and find out what inspired her to be a ballet dancer. She might then tell you that she once went to the movies with her mother when she was a child and once of the characters was a ballet dancer. This then opens the door for you both to talk about your childhood. It can keep going deeper and deeper. I promise you that when you get good at this you will be the only one who has ever randomly stopped her and made such an emotional impact.

Its important to note that you should stay away from negative emotions. If a topic you got on seems to have some sort of negative emotions involved with her then change the subject.

Section 6 - Qualify Her
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Once you have opened an attractive chick, talked with her and formed a connection, and added a sexual spark to the interaction, its time to "qualify" her. All this means is telling her some non-physical reason why you find her cool.

For example, perhaps you learned shes a ballet dancer. Tell her you think its cool she has such a passion and dedication to something.

Thats it. Simple! Now onto the close.

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Section 7 - The Close
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After you have qualified her on a non-physical trait its time to get the number and get out of there. The best way to do this is to bring up the idea of a future meet and grab her number that way. For example:

"Well hey Cindy, I gotta bounce here in a minute but there is this great cafe a few blocks away. Lets get together later this week and get a drink together. What days you free?"

If shes interested in you she will tell you whats days shes free and then you can be like "ok, cool. Give me your number and I'll send you a text."

If she doesn't like you she will make excuses and say shes busy. If she likes you but is busy she will usually tell you shes busy and offer an alternative time.
"When are you free?" is worse than "Are you busy tomorrow?"
"Are you busy tomorrow?" is not as good as "Let's grab a drink tomorrow."
"Let's grab a drink tomorrow," can be improved to "I know the best place for margaritas. Why don't I pick you up around 9?"

I still see a lot of guys married to the line "I'm going to X. You should come." But very often, in the interest of seeming outcome independent, this is delivered too weakly because of a lack of actual momentum or incentive on her part. The pitch should always be premised on the idea of a small WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY for the woman to meet you. There should be excitement or interest associated with this opportunity because of a) the rareness of this opportunity to meet (you not calling her all the time and being legitimately busy); b) some previous expression of HER INTEREST in the activity ("I love margaritas."); and c) some expression of YOUR ENTHUSIASM ("I'd love to see you," or "This place has the most awesome dessert!"). Depend on the DELIVERY, not the line to close the deal!

3. Planning too far in advance with a high-value woman INCREASES pressure and likelihood of a flake, whereas a spontaneous-seeming ping call DECREASES pressure and, if delivered properly, does not decrease your value if she refuses.

4. I am not above trying to coerce her into the meet with little tag lines like "I'll be heading to Europe next week" or "I haven't seen you for a while" or "Let's talk about that thing you wanted to know more about." Sometimes, this is all the push she needs to agree. Is this chasing? In my mind, it's tugging at her emotions to give her a reason to CHOOSE you above her other options. Again, if she refuses, you should be unperturbed and retain value. This attitude underlies everything so you can appear to chase without losing value.

No method is foolproof. Everything above should be carefully calibrated to the girl and the situation. But IME it's the least pressure, most favorable approach. Comments, questions, criticisms welcome.

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Mutual Caressing
The title might seem really cheesy, but this is by far one of the simplest, yet most efficient techniques that I have ever encountered. These concepts have been developed by 60_Years_Of_Challenge and myself back in the days. It has a lot of inspiration by Cosy (old mASF poster) who has mentioned cues points in this technique and has shared at multiple occasions the ideas behind this concept. I would also like to credit Sleazy (Aaron Sleazy, old mASF poster) for developing practical examples in field with this technique. Either way, I will present you the technique in detail from the perspective of 60 and I, then I will explain Cosy's idea behind it (which was the big inspiration on this one) and I will also share some of sleazy's small secrets to get quick blowjobs and handjobs on the dancefloor (consider these techniques as advanced use of this technique). In this post, I will share links, which is a recommended read, but isn't required in order to understand the following, but might serve as extra information on the topic.


Back in the days, 60 wrote the following thread: ST: Weird Reactions & Fantasyland,

In this thread, he covers two problems men have with physical escalation and more in depth, sexual tension. In this post we won't focus much on sexual tension, but the concept of “mutual escalation” is of course valuable for sexual tension as well (I tend to avoid talking about sexual tension as it get too abstract to concretely discuss it). The first problem he lays down is women reacting in a negative way to escalation attempts from men. His solution is using what he calls G&H (Genuine and humble lines) to show women that they are both on the same team, which is done with the purpose of creating a mutual vibe between you and the woman. This way, he will get rid of many of the "weird reactions" from women as he creates a high level of comfort while remaining perceived as confident man. He also creates a bubble between him and the women, as he is being genuine with her.

However, this is not the topic of this post. I think 60 explains this way better than me in his post, so I would rather suggest you to read that one. However the problem I want to talk about here is what he has labeled:

ST: Weird Reactions & Fantasyland. He describes it as following:


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Guys thinking they have some kind of magical connection with a woman through eye contact and vibe but they never make an overt physical move because they are SCARED

ie. grab hand-hand caress, kiss (an IOM)

Sorry tapping her on the shoulder or playing thumb wars doesn't count guys.

When she leaves that so called "connection" all gets forgotten. It was all in your head. Just pure sexual tension masturbation.

Fast escalation is attractive, make it officially "on" and create tension BUT with a little slice of comfort (humble/genuine). This is how you can get a woman in ten seconds. It is possible for YOU. In fact once you get this down it will become quite common.


So he seems to forward a very common problem. The problem he is putting forward is what he calls "sexual tension masturbation". What happens here is that you escalate on the woman, with a frame of “you hitting on her”, without her being directly part of the escalation: “it goes only one way, the way where you are the one escalating on her” - it is you that is the one hitting on her, not her hitting back on you and therefore we can not call this seduction.

Cosy (an old mASF poster) once said: "seduction is mutual". Seduction is something that happens between you and someone else. This means that there is a two-sided relation (and not a one sided one) between you and that other person. In fact, seduction is something mutual. A one sided relation equals you being interested in someone and hitting on that person. It is when you are both hitting on each other, that it can be called seduction. Consider a real life scenario (1) where you are hitting on a woman (and she isn't really hitting on you back) and another one (2) where you are both hitting on each other; which one do you believe would lead to sex? The second one of course, because that is what seduction really is. If we consider example (1), you are hitting on her, so you are the one who will remember the interaction and in most cases you will remember it positively (unless she blows you off), but the woman will forget it, because she haven't invested in you, she haven't been hitting on you and therefore the interaction will be of less value to her. This is what 60 is saying in his post. However, in the example (2), the interaction is mutual and can therefore be called “seduction”, which in this case, she is also investing in you and in most case, she is valuing the interaction as much as you do - she will remember it. She has found a man, where she feels there is something going on between her and that man. Unless she invests in it, she will not feel that there is anything going on between her and you. 60 solved this problem with what he called "Genuine and Humble" as presented in his post, he also talks about the hand holding ("it's on moment") are good techniques, however in my response to his thread (which sadly isn't available for you) I share another technique which 60 really liked which has in my opinion seems a little more efficient and a good supplement to his hand holding if you are already used to it. I called it: "mutual escalation". On multiple occasions, I have discussed the following on SPAM with 60 and we both seemed to love it. I will explain it right away:

In the majority of the cases, men tend to know a lot of escalation techniques without being able to get any results as they are focusing on escalating on her, but not on making it mutual. This is a huge problem. Because unless it becomes mutual, most of the time there is nothing going on between you and the girl at all - which is bad. What happens is that guys will believe they are escalating when they are in fact not doing anything – as 60 pointed it out.



Consider other problems with escalating in a way that isn't mutual:

- She will object and resist way easier because she isn't really investing. You are the one escalating on her and she is the one being protective. She will therefore test you a lot because in this case you are the one hitting on her, so in her eyes you are the one that needs to be "good enough" for her.

- The level of horniness will be way lower as she isn't escalating on you. There is in this case only one person escalating, not two, so it will take twice as much time and is much less efficient to get her horny and into you than if she was escalating on you. If there were two people escalating on each other it would have been way more efficient than if one person was escalating on someone else - this is obvious.

- It doesn't feel genuine.

- You will be perceived as more needy and desperate - you also put her into a situation where she has way too much power (as you are the one hitting on her and validating her ego way too much)

- She won't feel that there is anything-special going on between you and her (what 60 calls the "it's on moment"). You are just like one of all the other guys who are touching her and trying to win over, she doesn't feel like there is something mutual that is only about you and her.

- Her level of comfort with you being sexual will be way lower. Woman feels more comfortable being sexual with men who they are investing sexually with.

Note: The concept of "seduction being mutual" applies also for verbal game - actually all types of game, so consider it a golden rule.

However, if the woman is touching you as much as you are touching her, everything will be mutual. In this case, you will both feel a special connection between each other. A more important fact is that she will feel that "we are enjoying each other's presence" as opposed to her feeling "oh, he is hitting on me, my ego is getting flattered... now he is getting too far, I can't have sex with him and I need to reject him" - in this case, she will be controlling her state, she will not have sex with you, risking social consequences, risking to end up with a man that isn't appropriate for her (translated in the female language as "a man I don't feel fits with me"). This is dangerous for woman because woman, beside us men, are more selective when it comes to finding mates. They are not willing to take any risks when it comes to sex partners - "better safe than sorry". Therefore they need to feel (and not "know"*) that they have found the right man. This is why mutual escalation is good because she will in this case feel that special connection between you and her. In this case it is "we are hitting on each other" rather than "he is hitting on me". The difference should be common sense.

*"Feeling" but not "knowing" - because knowledge is logic and logic is a slave of the passions, according to David Hume, which is very true when it comes to women and also the reason for why women couldn't take the role of a man according to him - for feminists, don't get angry, this is from the 17th century)



So, in this case most of the problem of "non-mutual" escalation will be solved:

- She will not object and resist to your escalation as much anymore as she is also escalating on you. She is not the one challenging you, you do not have to work your way to get her, because you are both working on each other. She will be less protective because she feels that special connection between you and her.

- The effect of the escalation will be way higher. Consider a guy escalating on a woman beside a man and a woman escalating on each other, which one would be the most efficient? Well the man and the woman escalating on each other. This is because you get horny by escalating on someone and you also get horny by being escalated on (unless the other problems of "non-mutual escalation occurs such as resistance).

- It does feel more genuine, which is good.

- You will seem less needy and desperate because you are not the only the one hitting on her, she is hitting on you as well. The prize is not her anymore, it is you both.

- She will feel that there something special going on between you two. Your presence will be way more important when she is escalating on you as she has her focus and attention on you and only you. When both of your presences are of a certain importance, then sexual tension is being created.

- Her level of comfort toward you will be way higher as she is also trying to connect with you, which in her mind means, "he is good to me/for me".



How do you make the escalation mutual?

No doubt that this seems very efficient. However, many of you would ask: "how do I make her escalate on me?” "How do I mate the escalation mutual? Or "What if the escalation doesn't get mutual?” The answer is so simple that it will shock most of you. The way you make her escalate on you, which usually won’t fail (there is always bad sets that leads nowhere, there is nothing that works all the time, that is a rule of thumb), is that you "force" her to escalate on you. Let me explain: When you are touching her shoulder (for example), grab her hand and make her touch yours, if you are looking at her in the eyes, put your hand on her cheek and make sure her face is looking at yours (do this in an innocent soft way), if you are touching her belly, grab her hand and put in on your belly, if you are cutting the spaces between you and her, grab her and pull her in closer to you. What you want to do is mirror the escalation you are doing on her and make her do the same thing on you. This way it becomes mutual. Each move you do on her, you will make sure she does the same on you. Follow your usual "escalation ladder", just this time, you will make her mirror it as you proceed. You want her to follow your every steps - her escalation on you is a duplicate of the one you are doing on her. You will use your hands to make her escalate on you.



Now, why does this works?

- You are the one leading (showing dominance) - this is very attractive.

- You are showing persistence. Yes, you will remove a lot of her feelings of guilt. Women, as we know feel a lot of guilt for being sexual toward men. By "forcing" her to escalate on you, she will feel and say to herself that it isn't her fault that anything sexual happened between you and her. The reason being is that you made it happen, you where the one putting her hand you shoulder, knee, belly, cock... she wouldn't do it unless you made her do it, which you did.

- The escalation becomes mutual.

- You are showing big balls and a lot of confidence doing so, which is attractive as well.

Now, what if she is removing her hand(s) away when you are putting it/them on your body, or what if she turns her face away when you are trying to make her look at you in your eyes. Well, in cases of resistance, I will be doing what Sleazy calls "The Elastic Band Escalation" (also called “Smooth Escalation”) which is a technique that works as a damage control for mostly all types of escalation (and it even works for verbal game as well). The technique is basically based on the fact that whenever something you have done doesn't work, take a few steps back (he says 3 steps back, but this seems too abstract for me) and try again later. So, if she is moving her hand away from your cock after you have been putting it there, which is a point in the escalation where you have come far, take a few steps back, let her take her hand away and wait a little before you try again from three steps behind where you left it - back on your shoulder (which is for me the part of the body where I start to escalate most of the time) and proceed from the there. This way you can persist without being needy, while not ruining too much of the level of comfort between you and the girl. I would usually try 3 attempts before nexting the girl, because I feel that a woman that isn't going for it after 3 attempts will never really go for it. Also keep your eyes open for her reactions; you never want to go to far. If her reactions are really big, consider going more softly next time and avoid doing too dirty stuff. You don't want a false (or real) rape accusation on your back.

You can read more about this type of escalation here. This is an old post from Sleazy himself.


Now, I would like to cover an example on mutual escalation, which I believe should illustrate it. This is also highly inspired by how Sleazy does it in the field after having read his stuff and seen him personally in action. Cosy also does similar things. Consider this example an advanced use of this technique and I do not recommend it for uncalibrated players. I am also not responsible for any consequences you may have using the following. This is an example that illustrates the technique at it's most extreme. This means that for the usual player in usual situations, it will work as well. I have had great success with the following:

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French Kiss
It is an experience that most people would remember: their first French kiss. Some people would say it was a great experience while some would prefer not to mention it. But, we all know that French kissing is a very delicate and sensual experience.

Research has said that women's lips are one of their erogenous zone, so it's important for men to leave a lasting impression with women. And if you French kiss her like no one else, you'll most likely to kiss something else of her next.

The skill of kissing does not simply consist of knowing how to move your tongue inside a woman's mouth without hitting her tonsils. It involves the entire mouth - the lips, tongue, teeth, and the rest of the body.

Here are some basics:

1) Give the lady a hand.

Position your hands on her body while kissing her. Hold her face firmly but gently as you slip your tongue inside her mouth and suck on her lips. This will definitely make her toes curl.

Also, try to gently pull her hair back from the back or slightly squeezing the part of her body that is located right under her breasts (her ribs). This could make for some very enticing kissing sessions.

2) Pay attention to the way she kiss.

People often give out what they would like to receive, so pay attention to the way she kisses you. That could be an indication of the way she wants you to kiss her. Does she bite on your lips or try to gently suck all the saliva off your tongue? Reciprocate by doing the same. She will love you for it.

3) Tell her what you like.

Does your loved one kiss you like she's trying to suck the life out of your body? Does she kiss too fast, too slow, or without using her tongue? Try not to tell her what you don't like, but rather what you do like. That way you won't hurt her feelings.

4) Control her mouth.

The next time you kiss her, hold her face with your hands tenderly and kiss her the way you would like to be kissed. If she is not turn on by this, then your sensual tongue will surely do the trick.

5) Make it long-lasting.

Women loved long, slow, juicy, and enticing kisses. Your partner will definitely feel your passion through one of those prolonged tender kissing moments. Just like in the movies, kiss her hard and deep.

Now that you've discovered the basics of kissing, let's move on to some ways to make her think and want to kiss you all the time, hopefully. Here are some simple tips that can make you the ultimate Casanova:

1) Suck on her tongue.

Turn your mouth into a soft suctioning device on her tongue. Suck on her tongue mimicking the way you would suck on a woman's clitoris.

2) Lick her lips with your tongue.

Lick on her upper and lower lips in a slow, ticklish fashion. Once you have lubricated them adequately with your saliva, move your lips around her lips and let your saliva wet both of your mouths.

Don't be shy. You would not want to confine yourself to kissing just her lips. There's a whole face and body to explore. Go ahead and French kiss her chin, her neck and her breasts? Kiss her eyes, behind her ears or her wrists. Be bold and try something different. You'd be surprised at the results that a little creativity can produced.

If you've never been complimented on your kissing techniques before, now you'll know the basics of being a professional kisser. A quick way to tell if she enjoyed the experience: when you kiss her and then pull back, her eyes stay closed for just a moment longer. This usually means that she thoroughly enjoyed your kiss and there's a good chance that you could take it a step further. Just remember that everything starts with a kiss.

There are several methods for French Kissing -- this one is for those who are just learning, or for those who need to improve upon what they've already gotten in the habit of doing. In other words, this isn't the only way to kiss. I'd even go so far as to say there are better ways. But we'll keep it simple for now.

Tease, tease, tease.
Few things make a woman want to be kissed more than *not* being kissed. Bring your face close to hers, trace the line of her jaw with your fingers, or maybe even your lips -- but don't kiss her. Whisper something naughty in her hear, run your hands down the length of her body. Get as close as you can to kissing her without actually doing it. Trust me.

Easy Does It
When you're ready to lock lips, go into it slowly. Kiss her top lip lightly, kiss her bottom lip, kiss her cheek. Yes, you're still continuing the teasing phase here, but you're giving her a little some-some so she doesn't whack you for being an unbearable tease.

Lips first
Don't start out with tongue action. You want to get her hot and bothered with your lips before you do that. Reason being, shoving your tongue in there usually comes off as pushy and impatient -- and that's not something women want in the bedroom. Do yourself a favor and take your time.

Tongue Action
When you're ready for tongue action, you'll want to ease into that as well. (I hope you're noticing a pattern here -- most of you could do with writing it down.) Do NOT shove your tongue into her mouth and expect a miracle. For one thing, that's nasty and very, very unsexy. For another, there ain't a whole lot she can do in return. Your tongue shouldn't be all the way in her mouth, your tongues should be meeting halfway.

Keep Kissing!
Just because you've moved onto tongue action doesn't mean you stop using your lips. You don't suddenly open wide like some kind of Bass and anchor your tongue in her mouth. Your tongue should not be staying there the whole time! Withdraw it, kiss a bit more, tease a bit more, and then back to tongue action.

Tips:
Keep a hand in her hair -- this very, very sexy. You may even want to give it a gentle tug now and then.

Your tongue should be firm, but flexible. It should not look like you're sticking your tongue out at your mother, for God's sake.

Slobber is nasty. Try not to drool on your kissing partner.

Nibbling on lips is sexy as long as it's not too painful. Go ahead, try it.

Teeth knocking is a mood ruiner -- try to avoid this.

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The following guide will teach you how to identify and find women who are good prospects for pulling home the same night.

First, we must cover some simple rules.

1) The 15 Minute Rule

This rule is rather simple; After talking to a woman for 15 minutes, if I don't feel sex with her is likely that night I get her number and move on.

This rule will keep you from wasting time and if your goal is to pull a same night lay then time management is vitally important.

2) The 50% Rule

This is another simple but powerful rule. 50% of your escalation attempts should be resisted. This means that every time you try to move the interaction forward sexually she should resist 50% of the time.

For example, lets say after a few minutes you try to kiss her and she resist. Few minutes later you try again and she kisses you back. Then you try to move her to a couch and she resist. You keep it cool and try again a few minutes later she she complies. Thats 50%.

Why 50%?

50% is the perfect number because it lets you know if your escalating to fast or to slow. If more than 50% of your escalation attempts get resisted then you need to slow down. If much less than 50% get resisted you should be more bold and escalate faster.

If your not sure on how to escalate you can read my Sexual Escalation Guide here: [link]

Sexual Screening

The next important part of finding a good prospect is sexual screening. A big part of this is finding women who are actually out looking for a man to go home with. My buddy, poeticlyskuac, wrote a great article on finding these women which you can read here: [link]

Okay, you have found a women who seems to be out looking for a man to take home and you have approached her. Other than sexually escalating and having fun, what else specifically should you be doing to see if shes a good prospect to take home that night? You check for the following things...

1) Logistics: Very quickly you want to find out who she came with, what time she has to be up, where she lives, what shes doing later, ect... If her answers arn't conductive to pulling her home that night, get her number and move on.

2) Responds well to touch: If a woman isn't letting you touch her at all she probably wont sleep with you that night. Remember though, its a woman's nature to resist and expect her to do so. However, there is a fine line between her playfully resisting and her not wanting to be touched at all. It also helps if you have her isolated away from her friends before you test how receptive she is to your touch.

3) Lets you move her: This is actually a big one. I always try to move the chick within the first 15 minutes. If she doesn't move with me then I know the chances me of pulling her home that night are slim to none.

Trying to move her is easy. Simply look at her and suggest moving to the bar, over to a couch, outside to get fresh air, ect... Remember, if she wont move with you, shes probably not going to sleep with you that night.

4) Comfortable with sexual talk: If she shys away from the topic of sex every time you bring it up and she changes the subject when you start sexually flirting with her then shes not going to sleep with you that night.

Once you have your fundamentals down and you follow the tips I have laid out in this guide, the number of women you pull home the same night will improve dramatically.

Remember, when looking for a same night lay its vitally important that you be efficient and manage your time well. Don't waste time on girls who are not good prospects and work fast to find ones that are.

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this has the be the longest post ever. Now that is some helpful shit my friend. If that material didn't answer your question there is not a forum poster here who can. I wish the best of luck and hope you get the girl you want! Keep me posted playa!


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Holy crap, that was a long post.

With regards to point two and three, this website might be interesting for you: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the ... ght-stands

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1. I'm unable to get the girls I want, the hot ones. I don't know what to open with.
Attraction isn't a choice. There WILL always be women that aren't attracted to you. Simply accept that fact and focus your time and energy on the ones that are interested in you.

As for gaming HBs 9 or 10, the key importance is your frame. "Yea she's hot but is she interest? Or just shallow and fake like every other hot asses out there?" Keep that mentality and your game will automatically follow that frame. Naturally you will come up with questions to reconfirm whether if she's worth your time.

This, however, is hard to pull up. Mainly, because you're not used to interact with hot chicks, hence you will always be nervous around them. Practice. Practice. And practice. You won't have a strong inner game overnight, it improves with experiences.
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2. The main issue is that I don't know what to say from: Opening to transition I.e. the first 10 minutes of talking to her. What's the first thing I should say? What do I follow that with?
Learn to LISTEN proactively. Women always give out an enormous amount of info when they converse. Stop focusing on YOURSELF (in this case, afraid of running out of stuffs to say, afraid of being boring, worrying about what to say next, reciting your canned routines). Focus on the girl whom you're gaming. If you learn to adopt the mentality I mentioned above, most of your conversation will be about qualifying her and as she qualifies herself to you, there will be a lot of info to work with. Use them to create emotional and deep connection with her.
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3. Kiss closing. This area needs work. I don't know WHEN (in public?) or HOW I should do it (what to say to engage the kiss).
WHEN? Anytime you want. You're a man, you do what you want. You DO NOT need her permission to do what you like. KISS her. Only one or two thing will happen: she kisses you back (Great!), she rejects your kiss (you can always try again, but now at least your intention is clear, you're not getting in friendzone anytime soon). However, avoid the end of the date, because there will be too much anticipation and pressure. Be FUN, SPONTANEOUS and UNPREDICTABLE with it.

HOW? Just fucking kiss her!

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@Pink- I see this a lot with guys coming up in the Game lately.

It all comes down to frame and reframing.

Stop viewing hot girls as hot!

Sounds contradictive but that's what you'll have to do in order to build the right frame with them.

When it comes to the super hot girls, view them as just any ordinary girl. You must believe this.

When I'm faced with an HB10 or in set with her, my frame and mindset is that this chick is a 6 and I'm not really that into her.

As far as what to open with, dude; whatever opener you'd use with a UG (ugly girl), should be no different than what you use with a super hot girl.

The video below is of me getting a 20 second # close (instant messenger close actually) the other day. Wasn't much conversation at all but a dominant Alpha vibe and dominant leading.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5wOOsEXYFM[/youtube]

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