From my blog at http://chiefpua.com



There’s been a series of images trending lately featuring several porn stars with and without makeup. I heard about it the other day over on Chris Shepard’s blog and, though this hasn’t been the first time I’ve seen a series of shocking images of women with and without makeup, seeing these sorts of images again really drilled into my head the fact that the perception of beauty in modern society is based on a bunch of delusions.

A lot of regular guys like to rate women on their looks on a scale of one to ten. Too many of these guys, especially pickup artists, assign a number onto a woman like its her identity. They think of this number as a reliable static characteristic. They see a woman like this and call her a ten:



…without even thinking that she could possibly look this this without makeup:



Yes, those two pictures are in fact of the same woman. However, the same guys who called this woman a ten with makeup might say that the woman in the second picture is a six or a seven or some shit like that. The truth is, any woman can “trick” you into believing that she’s a hundred times prettier than she actually is. All it takes is some cosmetics.

This is one of many reasons I don’t like using the 1-10 rating scale to rate women. It’s a common practice for PUAs to refer to women as “HB8″ or “HB10,” depending on how attractive they look, but I just hate using those unreliable numbers.

We all remember Jenna Marbles and the video that launched her into web-celebrity status, right?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YpwAtnywTk[/youtube]

As she rick-rolls you, Jenna shows you that any woman can hack a common man’s rating scale with makeup like a Republican CEO giving the middle finger to the American tax system with capital investment tax loopholes. Your rating scale is a broken system. It’s a joke. It’s meaningless.

Some pickup artists like myself prefer to use a binary system to rate women on their looks: “Yes” or “No.”

“Yes” means, “Yes, I am attracted to her.”

“No” means, “No, I am not attracted to her.”

It’s as simple as that.

The common man, however, likes to complicate things with his ego. He wants the world to know that the woman he slept with last night is hotter than the woman you slept with last night. He wants to feel like he’s better than you. He wants to make it clear that his girl is an HB10 or an HB9 while the girlfriend of that other PUA is just an HB7.

What a load of bullshit.

While it’s true that, to a point, men’s taste in women’s looks are limited and that every man will agree that Megan Fox is hot as hell, the fact of the matter remains that tastes are still varied. What I think of as an HB10 might be your HB5, and what you think of as an HB10 might be an HB5 to me.

If you date a woman who you find to be absolutely gorgeous, shouldn’t that be enough? What if your friend tells you, “she’s just an HB6!” Would that piss you off? Because that’s some bullshit right there.

The 1-10 rating scale is a tool used by men to mentally masturbate their own egos, disguised as a tool that’s meant to communicate some sort of hotness consensus. It’s pointless.

The next time you see an attractive woman, free yourself from this mental cage and just let yourself be attracted to her without the numbers. If you do that, you’ll be one step closer to becoming a great seducer who lives in the moment. It’ll be easier to feel inspired by beauty, and to use that inspiration to your advantage.

I’ll tell you more about how to use that to your advantage later. Keep an eye on this blog!

Source: http://chiefpua.com/what-would-you-rate-this-woman/

Yep, I realize that when dating a couple of models and strippers, i could not get a hard on just to impress my friends and get validation.

Give an average women, high heels, make up, and a nice skimpy outfit, maybe a boob job and i show you a community 9-10 or a stripper...

My rating system is between me and my dick...

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I guess i'm very lucky that nobody actually told me to think in numbers, because I already think in terms of yes and no.
Makes choosing a lot more easy.

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I use the number system, but not in the way you would think. i do not use the "yes, im attracted" or "no, im not attracted" system, what most guys fail at is the limiting belief in what they view as beauty. All they ever do is, in a matter of speaking. "I'd tap that bootie, cause she is smokin' hot" or for others, assign an number "ohh, HB9". these so called system is a limiting belief, Most guys only look to have sex with the most beautiful women period. What they fail at is looking at is the personlity, attitude of the woman, you see beauty fades with age, what happens when guys get married only for beauty? and when that beauty fades away with age, the guy is no longer attracted to her, what then? you have nothing to talk about, in the youthful days, it was all hot sex and fun. To me, it's useless. I use the number system based on the women's personlity and attitude towards life, and the ability to hold interesting conversations. To me it does not matter if the women is fugly, fat, skinny, atlentic, beautiful, acnes, crooked teeth, straight teeth, etc, A woman is beautiful when she can hold your interest and attention, has great attitude towards life, loveable, sweet natured, is sociable and is not depressed, bitter, or hostile, despite her appearance. I don't about you but I prefer women that are exciting, and loves life and experience life and not one of those who is moping around depressed in a dark room eating ice cream. on the scale, 1-10 1 being pyscho, obessesed stalker to 10 loveable, enjoys living life to the fullest. out of that which is more attractive? the pyscho super beautiful snobby obessesd model or the ugly, laid back enjoys life and experiening fun adventure and open to fun things. I would definitly choose the latter in a heartbeat.

All that shit you wrote and it still goes back to one thing... Are you attracted to her? Attraction isn't always solely physical. I've heard all sorts of rating systems, had all these crazy thoughts on rating systems myself but the reality is binary attraction is the mindset of a man who is good with women. He doesn't think a woman is crazy or has a good personality + 2 points, he thinks she is sexy and he wants her.

He didn't say are you physically attracted to her, he said are you attracted to her?

I've read this same concept by so many guys good with women it's hard to ignore, I myself haven't written an article called binary attraction.

If you want to be good with women you won't rate them, you'll connect with them. Fight it all you want, rating women does more to hurt your chances than to help them.

I do it a little bit differently, I go with do you want to fuck her? Either it's a yes or a no, nothing else matters.

With more experience you'll come to the same conclusion many of us have.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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All men are different, some will wait for the "one" while still being virgins, some will use rating systems, some will fuck anything in sight, some will seek specific qualities, but in the end, all men will come to terms with whatever techinques that will work best that suits thier nature/personality. I'm a profressional gambler, I think in the terms of numbers, odds, probabilies, etc... it works for me best.

The brunette can get it without the make up... Just sayin...

No doubt all men are different in ways but we aren't talking about difference of personality we are talking about seducing women. Women aren't a probability, women are closer to poker than gambling. You read her and react, that is how you pick up women not by giving her a value.

Let me use poker as an example, if you assign a woman a full house then you better consider yourself a full house, otherwise you're fucked all you can do is fold.

It sounds as though you've never used is she attractive or is she not attractive so how would you know it works best for you? How long have you been doing pick up out of curiosity? I know you're account is fresh but that doesn't mean much.

I'll be very honest with you I'm very math orientated and probability orientated but lets look at this concept if you go gambling how often do you have 50-50 odds? I don't know of any casino that puts out better than those odds. So in effect you have a far better probability.

You are looking for ways to justify your rating system but the reality is it's your opinion anyways. You might rate the girls above as 8, 9, or 10, I personally don't find them that attractive. Not my type of girls but the reality is I would fuck them.

I don't see how you rating a woman is a probability or numbers thing it doesn't help your argument from my perspective only hurts it.

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Vic

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Some women should simply accept they're ugly lol.. These "models look ugly without make-up" are just things said to soothe ugly women's insecurities.

That said, there are numerous women who are 9s and 10s without the need for excessive make-up. Also, I don't get the idea that the face is the basis of attractiveness as these examples try to cite. At least in my subjective view, I need an appealing face and body for attraction.

I have been in Pickup scene since '06, I never had any trouble with this type of rating system. I never really thought of rating women as numbers could be a problem, sure I had seen a HB9 the night before only to see a HB6 in morning, but It never really did bother me, to me women are women and pussy is pussy. AND if you ever find a Casino that offers a 50-50 odds, give me a shout before that casino go broke. Because in a casino, for every dollar you put in, you get 93cents back, thats the way a casino works. we are not going to agree here, so lets move on.

I think the point is Yin, that your scale 1 = psycho 10 = really nice personality is the same as 1=ugly 10=ridiculously fit, just on personality not on looks.

Personally, when I'm just out for a casual thing or a one night stand, I simply use the yes/no would you/wouldn't you question. And it's all about body for me on a one night stand or casual fling. If she's in a shape I like, I do her - and I have had mates on one or two occasions say to me the next day "mate, she was a 5 at best, what were you doing?" (usually because she had a good body but not a great face) but ultimately I was fucking a girl with a decent body whilst they went home alone after failing to find/pull their 10/10 supermodel.

For something more serious (which I think Yin is talking about as well), I don't think any scale system really works. A "serious" relationship (although perhaps I'm not an expert given I've only ever had two which were anywhere near what you could call serious) seems, to me, to be something you more just sort of slip into as feelings develop. But that's totally different to going out and picking a target to have some fun with.

Ha, not sure myself! However, I did think the second blonde one (at the bottom) looks better without the makeup than she did with it!

Guess that goes to prove the point Chief was making though really - I wouldn't do the brunette one without makeup, whilst you would. You, I presume, didn't find the second blonde one that great without makeup, whilst I thought she was pretty nice. At the end of the day - who gives a shit as long as we're getting laid with girls we find attractive!?