I've always thought the best way to do anything in life is listen as much as possible and take in as much as you can from as many different sources as you can, but then pick and choose what suits your personality.

With that said, here are a few pickup styles I've read about which I personally don't like and reasons why...

1) RSD by numbers - Forcing noobs with no social skills to approach 1,000 girls for the sake of curing their AA. I'm not ripping on RSD generally, but this and their obsession with over-analysing everything as if it's a Biochemistry diploma is too overwhelming for my taste, perhaps I've been biased by the way Strauss describes Tyler and their seminars in The Game. I'd be interested to know if guys attracted to the analysis side of RSD are also heavily into science and mathematics, it seems to work for guys who like cause, effect and conclusions. I'm a more arty musical type so despite seeing good ideas floating around in RSD circles, it seems so heavy on the analysis that I can't get into it at all.

2) Mystery's extreme peacocking - I liked this idea at first and it makes sense. But I cant help but see it as an obvious attempt at trying too hard to impress and also for people too scared / lazy to open more naturally. Mystery's kino stuff is legit though, love his swaying idea.

3) Cocky / Funny - Surely this only works if you are genuinely funny to begin with. There's nothing wrong with being a serious brooding type, it can give you a sense of mystique. Not all women want to date Party Boy from Jackass. I also don't consider myself a clown, there simply to entertain women and make them laugh. Quite the opposite. I expect women to entertain me. I joke if I feel like it, if I'm in a silly mood but the idea of trying to get serious unfunny guys to crack jokes doesn't make sense to me. I know women always say they want a GSOH guy who can make them laugh but then again I never listen to advice from women, so again, I'm probably biased.

4) - Entire script-based routines - The main issue I have with this is it wastes valuable time and you would have to memorise so much material to make it work (there is too much THC in my system to even remember what I had for dinner last night let alone a whole script).

As you can probably tell, natural game appeals to me most.

Interested to know what others on the forum choose to ignore or dislike in terms of game styles.

Personally, I like the structured styles and incorporating the natural style simultaneously. For example, I like Magic Bullets and Richard La Ruina. If I had to analyze myself I would say that it is 50% structured and 50% natural.
I like to having a strategy and plan. My game resembles Richard La Ruina's style and I love coming in under the radar and using some stealth. I do however add some 60 years of challenge which is more straightforward. It's a weird hybrid but it works for me.

In conclusion, I started off as a natural before the PUA community and then started this whole routine mumbo jumbo after joining it. Fortunately ever since my join date on this site I have come to the conclusion that half and half is what I like.

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Courtship is natural and fluid.... it should never be structured. It is not a structured experience and while there are elements of it that are quite usually exactly the same to structure courtship too much is an insult to humanity.

I love the spontaneous naturalness offers.

Agreed with everything hunter fox...

I'd like to add that whole name bull shit people create and try to live to. For instance creating a pseudonym... I hate that shit... I advertise be yourself and get the girl. Don't create a separate persona... improve who you are.

Be self-confident, happy, and have high self-esteem. Then learn the process and escalate... Everything else tends to fall into place.

Peace and Love,

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I know a guy who's done Tyler Durden boot camps and worships the guy. This guy I know has come a long way in pick up due to RSD, or so he claims.

I was never a fan of what I knew about Mystery. He teaches peacocking to give women a chance to open a guy but if he's such a great PUA, why does he need to promote women opening guys? He should know, it's almost always going to be a woman of lower social value ie, a 6 opening a 9. He or Strauss also noted his dream was to have a 3 some but never could figure out how.

I think it's important to demonstrate some sort of sense of humor even if a guy is serious minded. He doesn't have to be trying to crack lame jokes, but almost all guys have some sort of ability to make others laugh. Look at someone like Shaquille O'neal for instance. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnqv7YDQr8 He could be interviewed , hold a straight serious face the whole time, and some of the stuff he would say would be short and hilarious and he wasn't making long thought out jokes.

I agree with what you are saying. I also think a lot of it is just money making business. BUT, guys can get in to the stuff who are shy, socially awkward, etc, not exactly what you would call a natural, and it can help them initially.

haha!! Awesome.

@Vic - Agreed about the pseudonyms. I took an instant dislike to Tyler Derden the moment I saw his fat ginger face and realised he was using a Brad Pitt alias.

@wingintyme - I think a lot of the people who go on boot camps have a consumer mentality and justify the cost of seminars by over-estimating their actual value. Not to negate those guys who improved their game with seminars, but IMO the best advice is free or out in the field, not on a white board or a projector.
As for the whole cocky / funny thing, I have a dark dry sense of humour which is not non-chalant as opposed to over the top, but I often find girls find me the funniest when I'm not trying to be funny.

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Anything that's not natural is well...not natural.

I hate routine more than anything because the AFCs generally saying those canned lines are too AFC to make it sound meaningful. It's painful when I see AFC being awkward.

I do however, believe that PUA is a numbers game. But it doesn't mean just keep approaching with canned lines, it means to go out and naturally hit on women. That way you actually feel like you're connecting with them.

I loved detailed routines. When you plan everything out you almost never fail. WHen I do this girls give me their number and tell me they have a boyfriend at the same damn time. It's powerfl shit. If I could I would plan everything out. The only thing there is no time. It takes away from my responsibilieis. Most of my complaints come from...and you guys know I have been complaining....its because I don't have time to prepare. Dating just like anything in life is about winning, getting who you want and that takes preparation. Girls want sponaeity. Fuck be being spontaneous. Fuck Sponaneity in the booty. I want to succeed. I want to succeed. Routines give you that ability. I like to plan out everything, plan out wbole conversations. Dominate the conversation, direct the conversation to where it needs to be so that she is attracted. Don't even give her time to talk, because you wnat her mind focused on what you have to say. Ofcourse, there's always the illusion that its a two way conversation, but no you the captain of this dialogue. I always keep my eys on other guys when I'm out. I nip cockblocks in the bud before they even rise. I think about where I'm going to take the girl. I think about what she's thinking. I'm a fucking puppet master. Puppet Master!

The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have to make it fall. (Che)

This is an useless post, sad to see... All the methods mentioned work, and have help hundreds if not millions of people, but anyways, depends on who is doing the execution and if they fit your personality or style... If you do not like them create your own shit, like i did... No sympathy or patience for post like this... I do not advocate mystery method, not because it does not work, cause it is not effective in the long run and is a bit outdated and not efficient, my opinion(though is tailor to the top 1% of women). With that being said at the time 15 years ago, it worked and it was for clueless nerds. Also the Gothic scene was going on. So unless you guys have follower, methods, and people getting laid out there, try not to criticize others people work. The exemption is when they are making or promising crazy shit! and over hype marketing, like you can fuck every girl you want stuff. Here in this video tyler covers that stuff:

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Hi skills, thanks for the input, sounds like you took the points I made quite personally. I don't have my own school of seduction, i'm not trying to sell anything, I'm just saying trying all the methods out there and cutting out what doesn't work for you makes you more efficient with your time and focus.

Basically what you are saying is, unless you have your own PUA school and followers, you're not allowed to share your opinion on pickup methods. On that basis, NME and movie critics are not allowed to slaughter bad albums or movies because they "havent produced anything better themselves".

The purpose of my post was to open up a mature debate, which I feel it did, based on the other responses.

Sorry for offending you, didn't think anyone would be so touchy about this.

I am not taking anything personal, as i said, most of the methods you mention work, or have good stuff in them... What i am saying is that is easy to judge and put down other peoples work actually there is a place with tons of what you are looking for http://www.puahate.com that is all they do all the time. All the methods you metioned have tons of good stuff, and i know, you probably use one or two of the stuff they mention. We would not have this forum if it was not because of "the game" anyways. What i am saying is that is useless to generalize or put down others people work, without offering an alternative... Be natural? I still don't get the goal of this post... I benefited from understanding some things that i do and i did not know, the why? from all the methods you mention. Also talking about maturity, i do not appreciate your strawman, technique, that, i am taking personal. What do you suggest is your solution or alternative for all the methods you mention other than be natural. As i said most of the stuff you mentioned WORKS, now some work better than other, but they still work. And i would benefit from trashing all that stuff, since they are my competition, but i won't because i would be lying saying they don't work, how about you watch the video i posted. With that being said i would not recommend mystery method, not because it does not work, but because is not efficient and is a short term solution to major problems. here is Mark Manson:

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Dude, I'm not running a gaming technique on you, don't be so paranoid bro!

I'm 7 minutes into the Tyler video, it's pretty good so far, thanks for the link. It's eye-opening because last time I saw a video of him, he was really fat and irritated the hell out of me.

I'll give it a chance, to see if I can handle over an hour of his monologue, he speaks so fast I can't keep up with what he's saying.

I think routines and all other forms of conscious manipulation are actually quite dangerous. Not for the women who are confronted with them, but for the men who are taught to employ them.
This is a good example, it has fear of failure written all over it. The extrinsic rewards of sex and social status (even if it is only internet status) are replacing the intrinsic reward of having fun simply by interacting with others. Sexual conquest is taken as a yardstick for an individual's success, and the drive for sex evolves into an obsession, an addiction that replaces all other valuable life experiences. With enough tenacity, such an individual may become very good at picking up women and be deemed as a success by others. But even if you are a successful PUA, and even you if did get laid with 100 women, what will you have got to show for all your work? Will you be a happier person, leading a more fulfilled life?

Most PUAs realize that they are not. They look back at their achievement, ask 'is this all there is?' and realize that they are still depressed. Your life may now be filled with frequent sexual encounters, but that doesn't automatically give meaning to it. Such an experience is not qualitatively different from having spent 1000+ hours on a computer game and reaching the final level, and consequently realizing how little this achievement really means. PUA routines teach how to not be yourself in order to measure up to some arbitrary externally defined standard of success, whereas you should be learning that you can only be happy if you set and meet your own standards of success. In my view, routines therefore represent all that is bad about PUA.

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Obviously, you have not watched Hitch or you gave it a bad review. lol Honestly, a routine is no different than preparing for an interview. Would you go on a interview without preparation? You can think of meeting the girl as an interview. You're trying to put your best foot forward. Impress her. Convey your value to her; the reason why pickup is so challenging is most people can't convey their value through a spontaeneous conversation, through their personality. It's no different than taking a girl to your game, to your concert, to anything that impreseses her.

I mean if you want to fail, go ahead and be my guest. ITs your life do that. Sex like video games is just entertainment, but the hundreds of hours I spent playing video games were thororugly enjoyable and when I think about beating Grand Theft Auto I feel a sense of pride. You decide to give things meaning.

Dude stop trolling the forum and kjing, how about you go back to play your video games, your posts are a disgrace, this is a seduction forum.

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