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PostPosted: Sun Mar 03, 2013 10:07 am 
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Dude you're making so many assumptions. That 1.) I want some trick. 2.) YOu shouldn't be shy 3.)I have problem dealing with something. Let's try to stay on topic. You don't know what I think but I will tell you. I don't think women put in this kind of effor to get a man. I feel like dick is thrown at women. I feel like that. Women don't have blogs on how to seduce a man. I think men try much harder than women and I am asking you do you think that is wrong? Do you think all the effort it requries to be a PUA is misplaced energy? do you think it places to much value on women to invest that much energy in them.?Women will chase you and proclaim their love for you. I am asking should we make our lives as attractive as possible then worry about women chasing us instead of spending time working on game and hunting women? Shouldn't we be hunted?


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How to Seduce Woman Blog = 8.2 million results
How to Seduce Man Blog = 9.56 million results

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Women have more blogs on how to seduce a man.

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Dude you're making so many assumptions. That 1.) I want some trick. 2.) YOu shouldn't be shy 3.)I have problem dealing with something. Let's try to stay on topic. You don't know what I think but I will tell you. I don't think women put in this kind of effor to get a man. I feel like dick is thrown at women. I feel like that. Women don't have blogs on how to seduce a man. I think men try much harder than women and I am asking you do you think that is wrong? Do you think all the effort it requries to be a PUA is misplaced energy? do you think it places to much value on women to invest that much energy in them.?Women will chase you and proclaim their love for you. I am asking should we make our lives as attractive as possible then worry about women chasing us instead of spending time working on game and hunting women? Shouldn't we be hunted?


Look dude.
Image

Image


How to Seduce Woman Blog = 8.2 million results
How to Seduce Man Blog = 9.56 million results

Conclusion:

Women have more blogs on how to seduce a man.

(I'm not sure why the image url is not working.)

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Man InvictusTwo, with every new topic you start on the PUA Lounge I start to more and more how twisted your mind must be. I'd love to see you in the field, because I believe that you can't even handle rejection. You say you have too much pride for it, I say you're afraid. You are afraid to get rejected, and you keep telling yourself that you' have too much pride in order to forget that you're rejected.

You don't wanna get rejected? Stop approaching lol.

As for the women blogs. Come on dude, you think that every girl has the ability to attract men? Not every girl is a 'perfect 10' even though I don't like rating them. For me it's just I like her or I don't.

And pick-up is a numbers game, it will always be.

Around 50% of the girls will never like you/ sleep with you. This is for normal guys. 40% are neutral and this is where 'game' comes in. And the other 10% is receptive and they like you. The goal of pick-up is turning these 40% of neutral women into receptive women. All in all, pick-up is not wrong. It enhances your 'game' but also your overall mindset in real life situations. Hope that you will realise it on some day, because as far as I can see; I can relate to the people who are mean to you. The way I see it is that you have a fake identity, who thinks he's the best of the world, but just needs some attention.

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Man InvictusTwo, with every new topic you start on the PUA Lounge I start to more and more how twisted your mind must be. I'd love to see you in the field, because I believe that you can't even handle rejection. You say you have too much pride for it, I say you're afraid. You are afraid to get rejected, and you keep telling yourself that you' have too much pride in order to forget that you're rejected.

You don't wanna get rejected? Stop approaching lol.

As for the women blogs. Come on dude, you think that every girl has the ability to attract men? Not every girl is a 'perfect 10' even though I don't like rating them. For me it's just I like her or I don't.

And pick-up is a numbers game, it will always be.

Around 50% of the girls will never like you/ sleep with you. This is for normal guys. 40% are neutral and this is where 'game' comes in. And the other 10% is receptive and they like you. The goal of pick-up is turning these 40% of neutral women into receptive women. All in all, pick-up is not wrong. It enhances your 'game' but also your overall mindset in real life situations. Hope that you will realise it on some day, because as far as I can see; I can relate to the people who are mean to you. The way I see it is that you have a fake identity, who thinks he's the best of the world, but just needs some attention.

Wallie

I think he's another virgin keyboard warrior living vicariously online. He may not even be in to women at all. You nailed it on your 50% 10% stuff.

Also this google search, how to seduce a man, is probably mostly gay stuff would be my prediction.


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There is no female PUA community. Hellhound, find me one The fact that I said there is no female blogs is true, it is true in spirit because women do not go to the lengths as Mystery or Style or David D'angelo or Juggler to pick up men. Most of the women's blogs are about gettign a husban or a boyfriend its not about picking up as many men as possible. So what I said is true. Those women blogs are not like male blogs.

You guys make a lot of assumptions and assumpitions is how I pull women leading her to believe that I am that guy. That's my method, I am a confidence man. You think because I ask questions and ask for advice that I have not had success and been in the field. I went out last night and when I go out I approach every woman I want to and usually with lots of aggression. Sometimes I pull and sometimes I don't. I don't like this. It bothers me and I talked about this with my boys. These girls at clubs aren't that fine. Sometimes a 7 is acting like she is all that just because of the value men place on her in that setting, this woman is fine so you think she is all that but you're not thinking about her career, or her hygine or her personality or how many kids she got or her character. You just see her looks and assume she is all that and this gives her power. I look at myself and my life and I get offended when a woman that is not even that fine rejects or is bitchy. You guys assume I go cry or throw a temper tantrum, but in the field I just move on and talk to other girls. However, I repress a indignation.


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There is no female PUA community. Hellhound, find me one The fact that I said there is no female blogs is true, it is true in spirit because women do not go to the lengths as Mystery or Style or David D'angelo or Juggler to pick up men. Most of the women's blogs are about gettign a husban or a boyfriend its not about picking up as many men as possible. So what I said is true. Those women blogs are not like male blogs.
And why do you think there is no female PUA community?? You clearly don't understand biology. Any woman, no matter how ugly, can click her fingers and get sex. It's that easy. All she has to do is approach a man sexually, make small talk, kiss him, then say "Can you take me home tonight?". She may not get the best guy out there, but if an HB5 approached every handsome guy in a club and offered sex to him, I guarantee one of those guys would take her home. A man rated 5 in the same situation could try the same thing with the same approach and wouldn't get laid.

If a man is known for sleeping with hundreds of girls, it makes other girls want to sleep with him, he is considered a stud by other men and respected for it. If a girl does the same thing, her reputation would be devalued and it would degrade her future options with men. I don't understand why you don't get this simple fact of life.


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There is no female PUA community. Hellhound, find me one The fact that I said there is no female blogs is true, it is true in spirit because women do not go to the lengths as Mystery or Style or David D'angelo or Juggler to pick up men. Most of the women's blogs are about gettign a husban or a boyfriend its not about picking up as many men as possible. So what I said is true. Those women blogs are not like male blogs.
And why do you think there is no female PUA community?? You clearly don't understand biology. Any woman, no matter how ugly, can click her fingers and get sex. It's that easy. All she has to do is approach a man sexually, make small talk, kiss him, then say "Can you take me home tonight?". She may not get the best guy out there, but if an HB5 approached every handsome guy in a club and offered sex to him, I guarantee one of those guys would take her home. A man rated 5 in the same situation could try the same thing with the same approach and wouldn't get laid.

If a man is known for sleeping with hundreds of girls, it makes other girls want to sleep with him, he is considered a stud by other men and respected for it. If a girl does the same thing, her reputation would be devalued and it would degrade her future options with men. I don't understand why you don't get this simple fact of life.
Thank you for supporting my point that there is no Female PUA community. And the female blogs on how to seduce men are not like male blogs to seduce women, so there really are no female blogs on how to seduce men if we are defining blogs like the male blogs.

I realize its a fact, but should it be a fact. That's my question? You're not thinking about this because men chasing women is so common. Its so natural. Its all you know, but maybe just maybe it would be better if it was the other way around. Thiiiiiink about it. That's why I ask is PUA wrong? Maybe women should be chasing us while we work on being more successful. Maybe men haven't always chased women. Think about it....ancient man had no time to chase women, he was trying to survive. He was trying to build his life up and the women would want him because he had a good life. He was a good suitor. Shit, I know what I'm saying.


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I realize its a fact, but should it be a fact. That's my question? You're not thinking about this because men chasing women is so common. Its so natural. Its all you know, but maybe just maybe it would be better if it was the other way around. Thiiiiiink about it. That's why I ask is PUA wrong? Maybe women should be chasing us while we work on being more successful. Maybe men haven't always chased women. Think about it....ancient man had no time to chase women, he was trying to survive. He was trying to build his life up and the women would want him because he had a good life. He was a good suitor. Shit, I know what I'm saying.
You know that thing in your pants which gets hard when you don't fap or have sex? It's called a penis. Since the dawn of time, that erection in your pants has made society function and flourish. Without the male libido, we would be extinct.

I guarantee you, ancient man was fucking every woman that moved, whether they liked it or not (rape is not a crime if there is no law system to punish it). Part of his survival plan was fucking as many women as possible, so they would have his babies (hopefully boys) who would grow into strong men to look after him in his old age. Men were just out there killing each other and then having sex with women as they pleased. If they were weak, they didn't get laid so had to take whatever scraps were left over, or at worst were killed or died, that's natural selection buddy. Survival of the fittest. Have you never studied Biology?

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I realize its a fact, but should it be a fact. That's my question? You're not thinking about this because men chasing women is so common. Its so natural. Its all you know, but maybe just maybe it would be better if it was the other way around. Thiiiiiink about it. That's why I ask is PUA wrong? Maybe women should be chasing us while we work on being more successful. Maybe men haven't always chased women. Think about it....ancient man had no time to chase women, he was trying to survive. He was trying to build his life up and the women would want him because he had a good life. He was a good suitor. Shit, I know what I'm saying.
You know that thing in your pants which gets hard when you don't fap or have sex? It's called a penis. Since the dawn of time, that erection in your pants has made society function and flourish. Without the male libido, we would be extinct.

I guarantee you, ancient man was fucking every woman that moved, whether they liked it or not (rape is not a crime if there is no law system to punish it). Part of his survival plan was fucking as many women as possible, so they would have his babies (hopefully boys) who would grow into strong men to look after him in his old age. Men were just out there killing each other and then having sex with women as they pleased. If they were weak, they didn't get laid so had to take whatever scraps were left over, or at worst were killed or died, that's natural selection buddy. Survival of the fittest. Have you never studied Biology?

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How does building the good life incongruent with natural selection? How is building a good life incongruent with natural selection? Really??? I mean really?

Men were not just killing each other and having sex as they pleased, there was no time. Most of the time was spent trying to survive and make life bearable. There were tribes and villages and order. People were also much more relgisious many years ago. Once again man built up his life and proved himsefl to be a good suitor then the father gave his daughter to that man. That's how it worked and if you were a good suitor you had many offers. You can't be a good suitor if you pursue women all damn day, you have to pursue success.

Chasing women is something that modern man does. It something that men do that have too much time on their hands. If you ever read Casanova's biography he laments about how he could have been special if he would have focused his life on something other than woman, but he had the luxury to paly with women all damn day and he fell into that temptation. The men used to hunt, farm, and build. The women used to cook, clean, and cultivate what the man caught.

If you look up the word husband its etymology means "master of the house" or "head of the household." You can't be master of the house if you have not worked hard to build one.


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Men were not just killing each other and having sex as they pleased, there was no time. Most of the time was spent trying to survive and make life bearable. There were tribes and villages and order. People were also much more relgisious many years ago. Once again man built up his life and proved himsefl to be a good suitor then the father gave his daughter to that man. That's how it worked and if you were a good suitor you had many offers. You can't be a good suitor if you pursue women all damn day, you have to pursue success.
You're talking about attracting a wife or a girlfriend, which is a totally different ball game. If that's what you're looking for then yes, money and status will help to attract a mate and impress her father, but money alone will never make a woman stay with you, if that was the case, then rich people would never get divorced. If all girls are just interested in men with money, why do independent women who earn millions in their own right (with no help from a man) still have sex? This is a pickup forum, it's just seduction. We can dress it up as something intellectual, but ultimately we are all here to help us get laid more often. If you want a wife or girlfriend, post in the Relationship forum.
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Chasing women is something that modern man does. It something that men do that have too much time on their hands. If you ever read Casanova's biography he laments about how he could have been special if he would have focused his life on something other than woman, but he had the luxury to paly with women all damn day and he fell into that temptation. The men used to hunt, farm, and build. The women used to cook, clean, and cultivate what the man caught.
Casanova is the worst example you could have chosen, the dude got laid all the time and hardly had any money!


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Men were not just killing each other and having sex as they pleased, there was no time. Most of the time was spent trying to survive and make life bearable. There were tribes and villages and order. People were also much more relgisious many years ago. Once again man built up his life and proved himsefl to be a good suitor then the father gave his daughter to that man. That's how it worked and if you were a good suitor you had many offers. You can't be a good suitor if you pursue women all damn day, you have to pursue success.
You're talking about attracting a wife or a girlfriend, which is a totally different ball game. If that's what you're looking for then yes, money and status will help to attract a mate and impress her father, but money alone will never make a woman stay with you, if that was the case, then rich people would never get divorced. If all girls are just interested in men with money, why do independent women who earn millions in their own right (with no help from a man) still have sex? This is a pickup forum, it's just seduction. We can dress it up as something intellectual, but ultimately we are all here to help us get laid more often. If you want a wife or girlfriend, post in the Relationship forum.
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Chasing women is something that modern man does. It something that men do that have too much time on their hands. If you ever read Casanova's biography he laments about how he could have been special if he would have focused his life on something other than woman, but he had the luxury to paly with women all damn day and he fell into that temptation. The men used to hunt, farm, and build. The women used to cook, clean, and cultivate what the man caught.
Casanova is the worst example you could have chosen, the dude got laid all the time and hardly had any money!


I never said I was just looking for a wife or girlfriend, but a girl will fuck a successful guy just because she admires him. I was saying that men did not have time to chase women like that many years ago, they were too busy surviving. If the man could survive and be successful women were intersted in him, just like today. WOmen are interested in successful men. Damn.

Casanova is not a bad example because he wasted time he could have been making money by pursuing women. He wasted his life chasing women when he could have just been successful and women would have chased him. He Lamented this in his biography, that he wished he was more focus. Casanova encapsulates the whole purpose of the question whether PUA is wrong, because you spend all this time trying to "improve yourself" and "get women" when you could just be succeeding at something worthwhile and let women chase you. I ask is PUA wrong because it invest too much energy in something that is just not worthwile? Is PUA wrong because wouldn't it be more efficient for me if women just chased us, if the Scarlett Johansson and Kate Upton's just chased us?


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Ironically, I actually read this in a David Dangelo article years back:

"To attract a high-quality woman, a man needs to build a high-quality life for himself. "

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LMAO...Well, I've found some strategies that increase your chances of success, but nothing is a guarantee and that bothers me. When I want someone I want them. Furthermore I don't like rejection, I have to much pride for it. But, I don't think pride is a bad thing. It tells you when you are losing value often times.[/quote]


LMAO dude, if you want a guarantee... Call a hooker. There is not guarantee's in PUA. It is understanding and combining different theories and concepts to create something that is some what scientific to bettering your LIFE. Yeah, that's why you hear us say all the time that it is about changing your life... BECAUSE IT IS! If you understand theories of perception, social dynamics and body language, female psychology, seduction, negotiation, persuasion, evolutionary biology, and through some PUA skills in there, you can create a system that works for you. To say that NONE of the stuff on this forum works is fucking, down right ignorant. You create problems for yourself that don't really even exist and that is why you are getting rejected. Go out in field, apply what you know already, find your areas you need improvement, (sticking points) work on those, progress, repeat. If you think you are going to become a master PUA because you read "The Game" and spent a few hours reading some forums, you are extremely mistaken and you will fail and you will continue to be miserable and prescribed Xanex because you refused to change what you were doing wrong. The definition of insanity is repeating the same process and expecting a different outcome.


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Some truth for all you guys out there:

Back in the days while women were the gathers and men the hunters... women provided more food then men.

Studies have shown that while a woman can gather food every day, back in those days men didn't always bring home a good hunt. According to well informed evolutionary theorists women were much larger contributors to society then men.... in fact all we did overall was impregnate women and protect (even then we'd disappear for long periods of time and not be there for them).

In reality us being the provider really only stretches back through about the agricultural era (basically last 10k years or so).

In early times tribes were likely 30 members if they were very big... most likely ran in smaller packs. Large metropolitan didn't exist.

Men have always aimed to get women by "peacocking" i.e. showing attractive behaviors, stuff, etc. It won't change... we brought back the biggest game, and strove to be the best physical specimen so that we would be the best possible sexual mate. We have always aimed to have more for the reason of status in our "tribe". Better spears, better bow and arrow, etc. all of that equals more mating opportunities.

However if you understand nonverbal communication you'll also realize that men have NEVER really made the first move. Pick up has been the first attempt at making the first move... in the past men responded to women's sexual signals.

Every biologist, anthropologist, and zoologist who have studied human courtship have always said the woman makes the first move by sending the first sign, we(men) are expected to capitalize. This is how I operated for the longest time. I'd look to create opportunity and illustrate attractive behavior. When I got interest(attention) I would capitalize.

That is the funny thing is women have almost always made the first move. PUA is a changing of the guard to be honest. You guys don't seem to realize that, men never got rejected in the interaction but before it ever started.

The fact is if you want to never get rejected you can but your love life will be severely limited unless you are very attractive(this isn't just looks related by the way)... you better have amazing social game where you have the ability to interact and illustrate yourself as an exceptionally attractive person. Attract their attention and then capitalize, even then you still will likely fail during multiple times because you won't escalate at the right pace(too fast or too slow).

You not trying limits your opportunities plain and simple, if you aren't already that high value guy with abilities then you are going to seriously need to change things quite a bit. If you don't change things expect the same results. Basically you are here for a reason realize that now.

I am very good at capitalizing and creating opportunities by being social but the best opportunity you can create is to just go up to her and introduce yourself confidently. You are guaranteed to get her attention(first phase/stage/step in every courtship process)... the only thing you have to gauge is if there is attraction or if you need to create more/some attraction to escalate.

The question is simple though... Did you come here to learn to pick up girls?

Don't know about you but I came to learn to pick up on girls... not to stand around like a dumb ass and hope girls will magically find me the most attractive guy around. There are those of us who create opportunities, those of us who miss opportunities, and those of us who take advantage of self-created opportunities.... The important thing to remember is creating opportunities does nothing for you. Taking advantage of them does everything for you. It doesn't matter whether you are the sexiest guy in the bar if you don't fuck the girl, hence looks help but only get you lucky.

This is what I'm talking about by either you have it or you don't in my how to get picked up thread.... Most guys simply don't have that natural "stuff" to get girls coming after them regularly. Most of us can gain some of it... but some of us are naturally better off and illustrate ourselves as attractive (list of features and traits) that catches the attention of many females and thus gain many opportunities. If you aren't naturally better off you have to try harder to create opportunities this means putting yourself out there more. This is what pick up is all about.

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I never said I was just looking for a wife or girlfriend, but a girl will fuck a successful guy just because she admires him. I was saying that men did not have time to chase women like that many years ago, they were too busy surviving. If the man could survive and be successful women were intersted in him, just like today. WOmen are interested in successful men. Damn.

Casanova is not a bad example because he wasted time he could have been making money by pursuing women. He wasted his life chasing women when he could have just been successful and women would have chased him. He Lamented this in his biography, that he wished he was more focus. Casanova encapsulates the whole purpose of the question whether PUA is wrong, because you spend all this time trying to "improve yourself" and "get women" when you could just be succeeding at something worthwhile and let women chase you. I ask is PUA wrong because it invest too much energy in something that is just not worthwile? Is PUA wrong because wouldn't it be more efficient for me if women just chased us, if the Scarlett Johansson and Kate Upton's just chased us?
Invictus, WTF, your theories and arguments are based solely on your own opinion. An opinion which is flawed by the fact that you have no success with women what so ever, that you have no success in life. They are based on your frustrations. This is ignorant.

Success does not inspire women to chase you. I am highly successfull. I have friends that are celebirties. I have friends with unlimited resourses ( more than anyone here will dare to guess).

And you know what, these things does not matter.

I know this one true fact from experience, so I never mention my success to women, makes no difference anyway.

You are the definition of a wet blanket. Make a change and bring something useful to the table.

Be exellent man!


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