Disclaimer: This is a pick up forum not a get picked up forum.

Note: Not everyone has the natural personality or assets to get picked up on. If it hasn't happened to you already it's probably not going to start happening to you. Girls may open you more and more but getting picked up on is a lot more than that.

This is a concept that most people don't understand. They think you do one thing or another and women will come for you that isn't reality. You can't just have one technique and women will be all over you.

The only way to consistently get picked up on by women is to be "The Man" not just be a man... not just be confident... not just high self-esteem but literally be "The Man" be that guy everyone seems to socialize with. That cool cat that everyone loves. Not by any technique outside of being that guy.

Being "The Man" is unique I wrote a thread on it in the natural game section it's not easy. It's about you have a serious amount of "social value" and charisma. It's about being easy to talk to, creating an easy way for them to open you.

It's not about tactics guys... it's not, it's about you having an outstanding magnetic personality. I don't know of many people who have the skills to consistently get picked up on. I have been picked up on by many women by simply giving them an opportunity to talk to me. I read their body language and started a conversation with a basic situational opener. However this isn't easy game. This is advanced game, this is when you have extraordinarily amazing inner game (high self-esteem and self-confidence) as well as an attractive energy.

Do I think it's easy to get picked up on by women? Yes I do... Do I think anyone can do it? Fuck no. It takes a super special personality, a personality that is easy to get along with, and creates a source of energy that seems to attract all the attention in the area.

If you want to get picked up on you better be interesting... Have style... honestly I don't know anyone else that has stories like I do even after I've read around the forum. I have girls ask for my number waitresses, bartenders, bus rides, customers, employees.... It's not like everyone has this shit happen to them. Those are just the fucking unorthodox ones. Imagine regular everyday game like that.

It's about more than just being an attractive person. It's about being fucking awesome.... so awesome people want to kick it with you. It's about you connecting with people and making their interaction with you so memorable that they can't remember ever meeting a guy like you.

If you don't have it already... sorry you have one choice become a pick up artist don't hope some women come to you. It doesn't work like that. If you don't have that energy to have women pick up on you now it's never going to come to you. You must learn to approach women it is essential even if you have that "personality" to get picked up on. You must learn to create a natural opening for women. Your social skills can't be average they have to be elite. Not just in pick up but with people.

Even with all that concept of getting picked up by women you can't have any skills with women without most of the information on pick up. You can have girls come to you all day but if you are a needy little bitch women aren't going to be attracted to you long term. You need to learn to pick up a woman just so you understand how to interact.

If you want a woman fucking go after her, that is pick up and that is what it is about. If you don't have that personality and want girls you have no choice but to act this way, to approach women because that is how you get women.

If you want results and you aren't getting any by acting the way you are now you must change. You should be approaching women you want because the women you want won't always choose you and it shows zero confidence and no actual value to wait for women to choose you. I don't know about you guys but if I want something it doesn't just come to me I have to go for it. If I want a million bucks I better go get it... If I want women I need to go after them (even with all the experiences I have).

Learn to create opportunities NOT wait for them... if you want something fucking go after it don't sit there and bitch about stupid shit like how do we get women to be powerless that is fucking crazy. Getting women isn't about power balances in an interaction. You grant all the power in the interaction whether that is less or more.

Either you got it to be picked up on or you don't.... Sorry guys. I can't help you if you don't have it already.

Just a rant....

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Dude you talk like you're frustrated with the entire idea that a guy would want to be chased by women. Look, if you chase the woman the woman has all the power. She could reject you because she is in a fucking bad mood, pmsing. She could just be a cruel hearted bitch and gets maschocist joy out of hurting guys. Just could just like getting her ego stroked by having guys sweating her. Her value of a man and her appreciation of you can be totally off. By being the one chase you get to avoid all that. You get to avoid all the insults, bitchness, , and being ignored. Something I have always hated is trying to get a girls attention and then she ignore you. The game advice you give sounds like you want to just repress all feelings of pride and call it ego, but man if I could control my sex drive I would never chase a woman. I would chase success. But, we all get horny...we all get lonely.

I have had women chase me before, beautiful women and i was shy and I could not take advantage of it. Also, had a lot of social value at the time however. Now I approach women and when I approach women I just feel disrespected.

LOL -Frustrated Seriously bro?

There is not fucking power dude, remember how you admitted you create your perception of reality? All the power she has in an interaction is the power you've given her from the start, not with your approach but with your mindset. Your perception that she has more power in the interaction is what gives her your "power"... You are powerless because of how you feel not because she actually has power.

A girl could be a masochist and enjoy hurting men but it's you that gives her the ability to hurt you. No woman can hurt you unless you give her the ability to. This is the ego I'm talking about. I don't walk up to a woman and she shoots me down and it hurts. That simply isn't me, I don't give any woman the ability to do such a thing.

I have women chase me all the time, it's not a big deal. I have had tons of women ask me for my number. I have had tons of women give me there number (without me asking). It's not a big fucking deal, however I don't hear about this shit happening to most other guys why do you think that is? I have a special magnetic personality. It's fine dude, I had to be told from friends dude you can't teach guys to do that... "It's you, it's not someone anyone can do. You can't teach guys to be like you because you're just you."

Did you not read that point where I said the type of women that have asked for my number? Hired guns have asked for my number, texted me, etc. I've had models ask for my number and fuck dude I'm not some ridiculously good looking guy (hell my looks have been insulted on this forum). Don't you get it? Not everyone has what I'm talking about, it simply doesn't exist in all of us. Your awesomeness is not from your perspective but from theirs... So you believing your awesome won't make you that guy... No matter how much you dream or hope to be him. Will you get better? Absolutely but you just can't be that guy if you aren't him already.

We aren't talking about attracting women... we are talking about women legitimately picking up on you. Women finding ways to open you or putting themselves in a position to have a conversation. Them putting their number in my phone calling their phone and texting the next day. We are talking about women trying to find a way to hang out.

If a woman wants you she'll have you. She doesn't want a shy little bitch. You couldn't take advantage because you simply don't have skills with women get the fuck over it. Women admit they are going to fuck me through text before I've even hung out. This is what you don't get women don't chase guys they are attracted to... otherwise they'd chase thousands of men.. well some of the more sexually open women will chase but even then it is super situational.

You can't control your sex drive? LOL If a girl talks shit to me or says something I'll stop fucking her grab my pants and bounce. I have total control... You know how hot that is to a woman to be with a man in complete control? Of course you don't it's not in you. A woman I was with recently wanted to have power over me or whatever it is and I just laughed and said I'll leave I don't care. Why? Because I can go find another girl to fuck no big deal.

The funniest part about all of it is I get chased by women all the time, I gave you how it happens to me and you denied but I do admit it is underlying inside me and not in every guy. My personality is a bit more than most guys have so I understand it's just not in all of us. I have it you don't sucks for you.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Dude you're in denial. I don't know what to make of you. You talk about not having an ego then you say you have a elite "special magnetic personality." I almost cried laughing when I read that. The hypocrisy! lmao
And then you keep talking to me like you better then me then you say you humble. You talk down then you say you humble; You're crazy lmao I need to stop talking to you before I go crazy. This was a very egotistical post you just made lol

I used to never approach women and they chased me. Now I approach women, some times I succeed and sometimes i don't, but I am not satisfied with this because I feel I open myself up to get disrespect...to be rejected. If I could be celibate I would only date women that approach me, but Im not a monk. I can't control my sex drive.

What I want is a way to attract any woman I want and then have the power to reject her. I want that power.
No matter what you tell yourself if you can't make someone want you, you do not have power over them no matter what you tell yourself.

If you build value, women will come. Its not about your personality. Chase success, not women.

Ego do you understand it? I don't care what people think of me... I just have a personality where I get along with people very easily. I make people feel good because I have charisma. I make people remember me for a variety of reasons, one big reason is I have a super contagious laugh. You would have had a better shot at narcissism where I would certainly agree, there was certainly a touch of that.

I don't think I'm better simply different. Having this skill is one thing.. Perhaps you are capable of being a world champion in something I don't, that is realistic. I guarantee you know tons of shit I don't. I'm not sitting here lying to myself about it but that doesn't mean you have a clue in this area. We simply have value in different areas, I don't think I'm better than anyone.. Have you not read that already?

There is something special and different about everyone that is the truth. What is special about you probably blows me out of the water in some area, just as my social skills tend to be very impressive naturally. Either you have it or you don't... it's simple

Stop allowing women to frame you... they shouldn't be owning you the way you are talking about. Honestly how you see me is really influencing how you read my words. Your perception of me is I don't know shit yet you are the one who needs to write bigger Iwanteasylove.

You open yourself to disrespect? The only respect that matters is self-respect dude. This is the ego thing once again popping (aka low self-esteem). I don't need a woman to like me... it's her fucking loss dude. My value independent of her opinion helps her form a high opinion of me. Don't you get it? I'm going to make some other girl feel great (emotionally as well as sexually).

If you build value women will find you attractive not come... women come to what is attractive, makes them comfortable, and gives them easy opportunity. That happens to be my personality. I'm very good at building rapport and making people feel good. (when it comes to getting picked up on)

Get off it dude... if you had it you'd know it.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I might've misunderstood you Vic, but I don't completley agree with your post.

Looking back at the progress I've made over the last couple of years, and the fact that the progression curve doesn't seem to slow down, makes me believe that you actually CAN become The Man, even if you're not allready him.

I read your post about being The Man, and frankly, it was epic. I knew a lot of it allready, but every drop of new knowledge equals gold.

I'm not at the point where women are throwing numbers at me, but it's normal that they try and do so whenever I'm out clubbing or at a party. To get this far, from being the socially awkward guy in the corner, that shit removes boundaries. I don't know your story, and I don't know where you started out. But from what I can tell now, it seems like you're a natural, and never had the all time low. If that's the case I don't think you're in the position to tell us what we can and can't do. If you yourself have been where most of us have, you should know first hand, that people can achieve this through hard work.

Now, I do, on the other hand, agree with alot of what you are saying. Pretty much everything except that "You either have it, or you don't" mentality. If I were stuck with that. Hell, I would probably be sitting in a shower crying or whatever.


Invictus, seriously man, you need to let this shit go before it destroys you. I'm not sure whether you've just experienced the worst possible rejection known to mankind, or if your self-esteem is so low that you're bound to bounce of the bat as soon as someone rejects you. But why are you beating yourself up about this? You make it sound like approaching a woman is the definition of a needy as fuck beta AFC. It's all about your mindset. When I approach someone, I simply tell myself that "That chick looks cute, let's see what she's like." If she rejects me (I've never had a bad rejection though, worst I've had is "What's your problem" and she walked off) I really don't care. I didn't know her before I approached, I don't know her now. No gain, no loss, no effort. If you make approaching a huge deal, rejection will be aswell.

I do agree (to some point) that having all the women approaching you would be better. Just sitting laid back waiting for tonights SNL. But I for one actually ENJOY game. I don't do this just to get my dick wet, I do it because I like the psychological aspects of the game and everything that happens from the approach to the closing. And last, but not least, the thrill of the hunt.

Now, you might not enjoy those things yourself, and that's fine by me. But you should either accept that ever since the beginning of time, men are the dominant ones and that women aren't. Or you should quit game, as it seems to do you more damage than joy.

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Fair enough.... I do think people progress, in fact I think you can become super good with people. I do think people get better and honestly I think everyone has some of the tools to get very good. No doubt in my mind but I also have come to realize that I am not able to teach as much about what happens to me.

How I connect with people is outstanding and I think everyone is capable of most aspects of what I do, but I do have one benefit to me that most people don't, and that is my contagious laugh. If I laugh it is a little more unique and quite infectious.... everyone laughs because I laugh. This is actually the cornerstone of a lot of my charisma (or so I've been told).

It was my friends that were like dude don't tell people they can become that, so I stopped. I think everyone has a serious amount of awesomeness to them too. It's not that I think I am awesome above everyone else, it's that I tend to connect with people. I can read them very well and due to a long list of experiences, a big family, and tons of friends I seem to have some way to connect with just about everybody.

Girls don't throw themselves at me everywhere but most of the reason I posted this up was to deter people from this mentality(no joke). The I can get picked up on mentality.... of course that shit happens. However I want people to act not wait... So while there is definitely a difference between when you first start gaming and when you get some experience(you'll begin to get opened more and girls will come to you more), I do think that some people have that ability underlying but for the most part this isn't a learned behavior.

There seems to be a momentum to pick up where once you hit a certain point things become easy. Asking for numbers gets to a point where it becomes assumed you'll get it but I just don't see every guy getting number given to them, I think most have to ask. So some of this can be a learned behavior, but I think aspects of this do not exist in everyone. I think most of us have this ability within us and the ability to get quite amazing(because we are all in fact amazing) but I don't think everyone has this charisma.

Just because you were a quiet guy doesn't mean you didn't have it within you. That is the thing our potential is often capped by our own mind... I do think a lot of us have this ability but I also think you shouldn't rely on this ability to get women otherwise you are just hoping to get lucky... My overall goal was deterring people from this mentality.

P.S. Thanks for the compliments on my thread... I am glad my original thought that about everyone can become that man makes me feel happy. I was starting to lose some faith in the idea.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I see rejection very negatively. It offends me. I do not see this as low self esteem. I mean how does feeling like you deserve better mean low self esteem?

I see being chased by women as cooler than approaching.

If you did have high self esteem then you wouldn't care if you were rejected, do you expect to be able to pull every girl on the planet?

High Self-esteem is when you go unaffected emotionally by everyone around you. Your offense to rejection shows low self-esteem because someone with high self-esteem doesn't get offended by such a mundane thought as someone else' opinion of them(rejection). It also shows you care what others think of you which is very ego related. High self-esteem is holding yourself in high esteem regardless of anyone or anything else around you. Your offense literally shows low self-esteem.

Your thought that you deserve better is absolutely awesome... I agree with it. This should be your mentality but I disagree with you getting offense because no one should own that ability over you. Never let anyone influence your frame.

Cooler is true no doubt but you shouldn't rely on it... My entire concept of the post was to push people away from the concept of wanting to get approached because action gets results not hope.

Yeah I trolled a little but I was offering a point that you need to learn pick up even if you get approached if not you won't know how to act around women. You won't know how to capitalize on their approach.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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High Self-esteem means to value yourself highly and it manifests itself in the things you tolerate and accept. I can't accept rejection because I have high self-esteem.

It's unrealistic to think other people won't affect you. Bring treated negatively evokes negative emotions.

Yes. You cant take advantage of a woman approaching if you're awkward. However, ithink working on pick up and approaching puts unnecessary value on women simply because you're working hard just to get women. It would be better to do something you love, attain success and attract women that way.

High self-esteem means to value yourself highly independent of any outside resource, hence SELF Esteem not esteem by why of others. You can't accept rejection because everyone else affects you way too much... someone with high esteem for themselves doesn't need to be accepted to have high esteem you do... this is the difference. What's funny is how many people have told you that you have low self-esteem. LOL You don't have high self-esteem dude... your mentality shows low self-esteem go take a test on self-esteem (here we are again same fucking message). You can't just re-define self-esteem so it fits you... it doesn't work like that Iwanteasylove. You have some quality outlooks but overall I'd say you are quite lost.

It's good to not want to accept negative SPAM but it is unrealistic to think that it won't ever happen.

No in your reality it is unrealistic to think other people won't affect you.... I know for a fact that no one is going to change how I feel unless I grant them that ability. Now for you and your low self-esteem of course you'll get affected. I know this because people have said some super negative stuff and I went unaffected but when I had low self-esteem it ate me up, I lived off the emotions of others.

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Vic

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Being sensitive and having low self-esteem are entirely different things dude. Low self-esteem is thinking you are not good enough for things you can actually have. Its the guys that won't approach a HB10, its the women that stay in abusive relationships. Its stuff like that....I don't need a test because as I said in a previous post I think for myself. Rejection can lower your self-esteem and make you feel like you're not good enough for an HB10, but since every woman I approach is fine I don't have that problem.

You do have a problem and that is denial. ITs a very dangerous denial in the form of repression if you're telling yourself nothing affects you. If you keep thinking like that you will just get more and more hurt until one day you reach a boiling. If you want admit you get hurt you are doomed to be controlled by it. Get the log out of your eye.

LOL- Did the guy who just admitted he was perfect try and tell me I was in denial?

Rejection can not lower high SELF-ESTEEM.... LOL this proves my point over and over again. You don't have high self-esteem... ok lets break this down and simplify it... SELF as in you and Esteem as in value, so it is the value you place on you. Having high self-esteem is not affected by outside sources, it is once again the value you place on yourself, this is how we know you have low self-esteem because your value of yourself, you don't feel you deserve a 10 after rejection that is not fucking high self-esteem. I always feel I am good enough for a quality woman... she is lucky to have me.

It's not just about women who've been beaten or guys that won't approach a woman... in fact sometimes self-esteem as shit to do with it.

What's funny is you keep admitting over and over again that you have the symptoms of low self-esteem now it's merely time to admit it... you can't fix it if you don't admit it.

This has to do with a self-deserving nature but it is not what self esteem means. You can value yourself and still not feel you deserve something or vice verse, though it's admittedly rare.

I don't rate girls and I feel I'm amazing.... So I never think I'm not good enough for a girl.. This is a low self-esteem issue not someone with high self-esteem.

Are you that scared to take the test? Is that what it is? I bet that is it otherwise you would've proved me wrong by now.

Fucking hilarious dude.

Dude, let me put it to you like this.... You have a frame.... this frame is yours. Not mine, not anyone elses' frame it's yours. This frame is the reality you have created... Now things happen that can certainly influence it but you have the ability to own your frame regardless.

For instance: When I have a customer yelling your an idiot and you don't know what you are talk about to my face. How should I react? You would probably flip out... I find it funny. I just sit there cool as a cucumber because they don't affect me.

Now a different situation: My uncle died two days ago... Am I sad about it? Yes I'm hurt no doubt. I loved him and it hasn't completely set in. However should I sit there and dwell on him being dead or the fun stories I had with him. The fact that he isn't sick and suffering anymore. However going through my day I don't focus on sadness... I find it to be a waste of time. I choose to enjoy life and not be deterred by the negativity.

The fact is those things that are important to you aren't important to me. That customer yelling I am an idiot doesn't have importance to me.. I grant that man's opinion of me no value and why should I?

You see you create the importance of different aspects of things.. your mind does. When Michael Jackson died tonss of people mourned his death... I didn't care. I placed no value on it.

Wisdom and education is what you need sir.... wise people watch and learn not just say something to fight it because they don't think they can possibly be wrong.

YOU HAVE LOW SELF-ESTEEM. Get over it, it's not a bad thing... it's part of being human, I did for a long time and I constantly work to maintain high self-esteem.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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I do not have low self-esteem. I am perfect and that in itself should tell you I have high self-esteem if I put all that value on myself. You can decide what you think about, but you are in denial if you think people cannot affect how you feel. I don't know how this will sound too you, but you can know you are the shit but feel like shit because of what has happened to you. Your frame is not the only thing that influences how you feel...experiences, peers, genetics all factor in.