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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:31 am 
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Going by all these things that are correlated with attraction I think that lends to wishful thinking " I wish this would work so I am going to believe it will work."


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
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Going by all these things that are correlated with attraction I think that lends to wishful thinking " I wish this would work so I am going to believe it will work."
Attraction is shit in the courtship process though.... A woman sees a fuckable guy 30 times a day, what makes you different? She doesn't fuck all 30, fuck most of the time she doesn't fuck any. So who gives a shit if you are physically attractive if it doesn't actually get you laid?

There are certain consistencies among attraction (symmetry, self-confidence, status, height, athleticism, etc. that make you look like a good healthy Mate) but at the end of the day you are either that girls type or your not, yes women do have types, a lot of women end up marrying guys that are a lot like their dad. Some end up dating all brown haired guys, some date only tall guys, any number of traits can be her type.

Attraction from a female stand point is all about how you make them feel. If you remind her of a positive character in her past she may find you attractive right away, if you remind her of someone negative she could be revolted by you from the get go. It could literally have NOTHING to do with you for her attraction or lack of attraction.

No need to focus on attraction that isn't the entire basis for skills with women, being attractive is certainly a skill, but sexual tension and escalation are the most necessary for being a guy that gets regularly laid.

Again BEING ATTRACTIVE DOESN'T GET YOU LAID, IT GET'S YOU LUCKY. Being sexual gets you laid... Use all the assets in your tool belt but don't act like the hottest guy (even this is among the perception of the audience) in the bar picks up women on looks because they don't, it's what lies beneath those looks that aura, body language, and presence, that sexuality.

Note: I'm not at all saying to ignore your physical attributes or not to improve your looks, dress nice, etc.(so continue taking care of yourself). It is always good to take care of yourself.

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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:36 am 
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Going by all these things that are correlated with attraction I think that lends to wishful thinking " I wish this would work so I am going to believe it will work."
Attraction is shit in the courtship process though.... A woman sees a fuckable guy 30 times a day, what makes you different? She doesn't fuck all 30, fuck most of the time she doesn't fuck any. So who gives a shit if you are physically attractive if it doesn't actually get you laid?

There are certain consistencies among attraction (symmetry, self-confidence, status, height, athleticism, etc. that make you look like a good healthy Mate) but at the end of the day you are either that girls type or your not, yes women do have types, a lot of women end up marrying guys that are a lot like their dad. Some end up dating all brown haired guys, some date only tall guys, any number of traits can be her type.

Attraction from a female stand point is all about how you make them feel. If you remind her of a positive character in her past she may find you attractive right away, if you remind her of someone negative she could be revolted by you from the get go. It could literally have NOTHING to do with you for her attraction or lack of attraction.

No need to focus on attraction that isn't the entire basis for skills with women, being attractive is certainly a skill, but sexual tension and escalation are the most necessary for being a guy that gets regularly laid.

Again BEING ATTRACTIVE DOESN'T GET YOU LAID, IT GET'S YOU LUCKY. Being sexual gets you laid... Use all the assets in your tool belt but don't act like the hottest guy (even this is among the perception of the audience) in the bar picks up women on looks because they don't, it's what lies beneath those looks that aura, body language, and presence, that sexuality.

Note: I'm not at all saying to ignore your physical attributes or not to improve your looks, dress nice, etc.(so continue taking care of yourself). It is always good to take care of yourself.

Peace and Love,

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When yo usay be sexual what do you mean besides expressing desire and kino?


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:47 am 
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There is no game. I am done with this bull shit and this website. There is no game. Its all absolute garbage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKpXTy-sCxg


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 9:56 am 
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There is a lot of randomness that i don't like. And when you attract a girl Its not like you ever figure out exactly what attracted the girl either. Its kinda like present all these variables then she might or she might not like you.

For instance: I approach like 10 girls this weekend. I got two numbers. Three I never got to finish the conversation. 1 i just ejected because I didn't like her attitude when I said hello. 2 seemed disinteresed. 1 was just plain rude.

This all seems just to random for me. I don't like that. Particularly, if I was interested in one of these girls, like if I had a crush on a girl. I would want to know something that would work. It seems like to much luck.

It seems like its not game its seems like its like. It seems like you "get lucky." I don't like it because I feel powerless to some extent. Maybe this is too demanding, but if someone can't say directly what will cause a girl to be attracted to you I don't think there is any game.
The problem is not with 'game', the problem is your expectations. You remember the scene in the Matrix where Trinity gets shot, and Neo thrusts his hand in her chest to get her heart pumping again? That appears to be what you're looking for: thrusting your member into a girl's brain and rearrange that shit so that she falls in love with you. But you ain't Neo, and this ain't the Matrix. Nearly all things in life have some degree of uncertainty, and so do the so-called 'laws' of attraction. You'll just have to come to terms with that.

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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:29 pm 
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No one can ever really say what precisely attracts a girl to you. Thats the problem. They its alpha, they say its confidence, they say its a sense of humor, they say its looks, they say its fashion, they say its status, they say its money, they say its power, they say alot of things.

A lot of things are correlated with a attraction, but no one ever tells you what will directly cause attraction.

plenty can say precisely what attracts girls to you, in fact if you google sexual selection or evolutionary biology you might find quite a bit of scientific research on the topic, as well as articles and books on the subject of what causes people are attracted to

the pickup scene is more the ''how'' mixed with strategies to stay motivated

girls are attracted to status, comparitively value is subjective, but the main variable to if a girl is attracted to you, is importance, they are just like men, but more picky and it comes down to everything in order to ensure the more likely survival of offspring, how important are you compared to other men? what sets you apart and makes you different/better then other guys? how good looking you are compared to other guys, what kind of a person you are, what is your life is like, all comparitively to other guys and the most dominant guy (the best compared to others from the particular girls POV) is the most attractive (alpha is also just a term for #1, or first in line of status), girls in general all subjectively value something different from the next, just like guys in general all subjectively value something different from the next

famous, rich and good looking is the killer combo for a guy, movie star or something similar screams IMPORTANT, good looking enough to want to see naked, rich enough to take care of kids and lead a great lifestyle if it goes the long term route, cool and famous enough to want to be assosiated with socially, it's the full meal deal for most girls, she has the short term fun and excitement side to it, and the long term security side to it all covered, a typical dream guy for most girls

the pickup is the process from meeting a girl, to trying to sleep with her and your roadmap to that, a ''game plan''

the ''game'' is not what girls are attracted to, YOU are what girls are attracted to, it's the way you go about things and how you operate that descides how often and with who you will end up having sex with, the more efficent and thought out and practised your game plan is, the more you will not do things that don't suit your goals, and as a result meet them more often, that is what a ''game'' is for, it's not a fuck all women with the magic trick sort of thing, it's more of a go out and get good at figuring out how to talk strangers into sleeping with you kind of thing, and if you are already good at that, then you probably don't need to get started on reading any pua material, if not, that's why this exists, so guys that are actually interested in meeting random women for the purpose of starting a sexual relationship and don't know how to go about that have a way to learn how to do that and become better at it,

if a guy isn't getting laid at all, it's likely one of two issues

1) doesn't fucking try and has no game at all, sits with his thumb in his ass and just expects one day it will ''just happen'' to him, and some girl will just hit on him and hop on his dick and lead the whole thing

^ these guys need to just find some motivation to start out and try to develope a game, this is the typical ''go out and meet women'' or ''you're not approaching enough'' or ''GFTOW'', kind of guys who will fixate on one girl who they turned off months ago or who they could already have sex with but have 0 experience and don't know what a vagina is for, just needy, or socially anxious/awkward in general, if they have anxiety they have to get over the hump and just face the pain period and do simple things they can execute that embarass them a bit to take them out of their comfort zone to become desensatized

2) guys who are irregularily unattractive, don't take care of themselves physically, don't take care of hygene/skincare or grooming, possible facial deformities, mental illness that makes them extremely difficult to socialize with or be around, extremely bland agreeable and needy (repulsive socially), guys who have no job or a shit job and have absolutely no motivation, guys who ostrosize themselves socially and isolate and avoid people, codependance and timid/aulteristic personality types

^ these guys need to work on themselves, you can improve yourself to improve your status over all,

the problem with the seperation of these two guys is insecurity, some guys posses low self esteem and will have anxiety around meeting women due to their insecurities, instead of following through with option 1 and developing a game when that is what they need in order to have a successful sex life, instead they opt out for option 2 when they have little to no experience, they simply convince themselves they are not good enough due to an extremely low volume of sample women's opinions of them, or no sample pool and just their own negative self opinion, based on this conclusion and self esteem, they are not entitled to women, there fore they must not meet women until they become XYZ or have obtained XYZ (usually an unrealistic standard, and even if they meet the standard they will find a new excuse), this is an ego problem, where they just don't want to face failure to protect some distorted self image they have of themselves

no matter how bad the situation, with a well practiced implimented gameplan being used with consistency on new women, any guy no matter the status can still get laid, might not be the top of the food chain or slamming victoria secret cover models, but you can still have a decent sex life if you actually have the ability to be proactive and make that happen, that is why game trumps all, don't meet any women = don't sleep with any women, doesn't matter if your brad pitt, if you lock yourself up in a house and make no attempt to reach out for a connection, you will never make one, and the more you get out there, the better you get at making that connection with new people, male or female, you just become good at meeting strangers and turning them into people that are comfortable and aquainted with you, and social skills are very related to what you can accomplish in life, well liked people tend to be more successful then those who are socially outcast


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 5:52 am 
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There is no game. I am done with this bull shit and this website. There is no game. Its all absolute garbage.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKpXTy-sCxg


When yo usay be sexual what do you mean besides expressing desire and kino?
LOL - Really bro? Temper tantrum much? You do it on my thread, you do it on other threads.... Calm the fuck down.

Sexuality is more than just kino, it's how you walk, how you move, how you talk, what you say, being sexual is quite the umbrella, it isn't just one area. So keep this in mind, when I say be sexual it should encompass your aura almost, the best natural you meet will always be very sexual guys.

Most guys will make a sexual joke and then say just playing, I'll say something sexual that is funny and laugh but be completely serious. Laughing isn't always joking(especially with me as I'm almost always laughing). The trick is to not separate yourself from your statement with your body language. A lot of guys will say something sexual then move their body language away or look down submissively as if to seek approval after stating something.

Stating your desire for her definitely can set the tone for a sexual relationship, but as you have stated sometimes being too direct can be a bit of a problem. You can state your interest in a woman and it not be overtly sexual or you can be very sexual in your introduction, depends on what you think you can say to her and get away with.

I tend to joke about sex a bit, and escalate the natural process that is how I keep it sexual. Yes touch is in there, and eye contact grows stronger and strong but also bringing attention to your crotch by adjusting your belt buckle, or air humping subtly(don't thrust just kind of move your waste) works because you make her see you in a sexual manner on a subconscious level.

More signs of masculine and good body language as well as elevating the conversation and body language.

Hope that is solid....

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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:47 am 
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Look the game is all about making girls chase you. Its not about getting the girl, its about making the girl want you. And one of the easiest ways to do this is to make the girl want your approval. When the girl values you she naturally wants your approval. I don't think compliments do much at all.

Look this game can hurt. It can break you. Im serious. Also, it can make you lose yourself. You got to be your own man. You got to stay true to yourself. That has value to.

Subconsciously, if you are a person that is in the habit of seek approval and pleasing people this can be very hard to get out. Seeking approval could just be something you were raised to do. Honestly, you can have approval seeking habits without even thinking you are seeking approval lol

With that said you can't completely change as a person. You have to mix your character with what you want to accomplish


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:23 am 
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I am so angry. I am throwing a temper tantrum well fuck you ! I have been rejected so much. I hate this shit. These guys aren't better than me. I hate women . No one loves me! But I am better than this! I am better than this! I deserve better! I can't take this anymore.


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:30 am 
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You got to ask the hard questions.

1.) How do I open?
2.) How do I attract?
3.) How do I isolate?
4.) How do I escalate?
5.) How do I build a relationship?

There are answers to these questions. If you have an answer to all of them. You should be fine. Relax kid.


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:53 am 
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Brainstrom:

You're opener should catch someone's attention. Its kind of like a good headline. Think of a tabloid paper or think of a legit add that caught your attention. Maybe a sale, or a good event, or something of interest. It needs to be something of interest.

Attraction. So many things attract: power, humor, physical appearance, money, ambition, pleasure, excitement, accomplishments, value, confidence.

YOu want to convey all these things in a smooth conversation. That means you need to know what you want to say and how to transition a convo into saying it.

Next. How are you going to get the number? Then what how are you leaving? how are you going to isolate?

As far as escalation. go until she says no.


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:23 pm 
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I am so angry. I am throwing a temper tantrum well fuck you ! I have been rejected so much. I hate this shit. These guys aren't better than me. I hate women . No one loves me! But I am better than this! I am better than this! I deserve better! I can't take this anymore.
Alright Stand up, I understand you, it sucks when you first start out. I got that, I was there too. Unfortunately there is no way around rejection, I wish I could tell you differently but it simply isn't true. I still get rejected, take on a different mindset with rejection though.

Let me use poker as an example:

When you play poker you can not be results obsessed, there are too many variables, too many mysteries (sound familiar? women :) ). Last week I was playing a poker tournament and went out. Now when I seen the cards I was way ahead - I had a bigger pair than his pocket pair.... If I knew his cards (which I read them pretty spot on) I would have done the same move. Now what happened was he drew out on me, he hit is set (3 of a kind - approximately 1 to 8 chance) but if I knew his cards I would do the same move every time because it is the correct move.

Now you look at women, sometimes you do the right thing and get bad results... poker and women are very similar in a lot of perspectives (right down to how they react body language wise), sometimes you can go up and make the right move but the situation simply doesn't play out the way it should. You have to get past that, you have to make yourself independent of the results that may come to you and just realize you "made the right move".

Now when I do go out in poker I do something that every guy should do during a rejection in his development (I don't analyze too much anymore though): What could I have done differently? What should I have done differently? Don't over think your skill set with women. However there are certain basic elements you can think oh shit, well I came on a little strong, I didn't have good energy, I shouldn't have approached from the back, etc. There are a long list of "no-nos"(though every rule can be broken) during an approach figure out the check list and then move on to the next issue that could have happened(the answer is normally pretty simple). Hell ask the girl if you want to be bold, tell her straight up hey man I'm sorry I turned you off to begin with, I would prefer to improve my behavior with women, what could I have done differently. Be prepared for some mean as fuck answers though, there are some serious cunts out there that can say some fucked up shit.

Remember during a cold approach rejection is never personal, how could it be? She doesn't even know you, she just sees another guy she isn't interested in, it isn't about you personally but your personal presentation of yourself, your impression.

Invictus is asking some great questions about your skills with women.

Where are you struggling? We need more insight into your game to give you help, without knowing where you are struggling we can't tell you exactly what you need to work on for your game.

Note: One thing I do notice is you need to gain more control of yourself, I say this a lot on the forum to a lot of guys, work on your self-confidence and self-esteem. You should always be working on it regardless of how high it is (I am always working on mine). Self-confidence and self-esteem require maintenance - you can't just stop working on yourself and keep self-confidence and gain high self-esteem.

If you need help just ask in what area you need it, don't complain... We can't help you by listening to you bitch about your rejection. We can help you if you explain your situation and provide an approximate analysis of what happened. Look to improve not to bitch, that doesn't do shit to help you improve.

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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 1:14 am 
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1.) passions rule- seduction is all about how you make her feel. That's the art, there are many ways to make her feel good about you.
2.) sense of humor- it goes without saying this breaks the ice and makes awkward situations comfortable.
3.) get to know you- we fear other people because they can hurt us so it's important to let her get to know stuff about you that's valuable but also safe.
4.) qualify- just by evaluating someone this gives you value in their eyes.
5.) value is relative- know how to present your in a positive light.


Those are 5 rules that should help you instantly.


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 Post subject: Re: There is no Game
PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 3:06 am 
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And Ofcourse confidence. You got to talk like you believe in yourself and you can't be hesitating or you'll miss your chance.


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