There is no game. . . There is no game. Let that marinate.

The more I think about it the more I feel there is no game. I dress up and girls like that. I get a haircut and girls like that. I build my muscles and girls like that. I get money and nice things and girls like that. I accomplish things and attain power and girls like that. BUT, where is the game? Being attractive, having status, and dressing nice is not game.

Confidence is not game. Approaching a girl and telling her she has nice titties may be ballsy but that is not game.

Where is the game? where is the game? is it telling good stories? Is it a certain social savvy? WHat is it? What is it?

I been picking up for years now and most of the things that I see attracting girls I was doing before I got in the game. Sometimes I wonder if all that changed was my confidence.

....is not game

40% Appearance
30% Money
20% Status
10% You

agreed

85% Appearance
00% Money
00% Status
15% HER

You think approaching girls and telling her nice titties is confidence? That is just classless stupidity.... Everyone on the forum can tell you that. That isn't even a compliment, it's a straight up insult to most women.

Self-Confidence is the foundation of Natural Game but it is but a part of it, it isn't game.

It's not about Money, Power, Looks, it's about the status your body language, energy, and aura represents. It's why my buddies who had no car, a shit job, and average looks could slay women while my "hot friends" struggled with women.

Courtship is a game, it's a series of behaviors that you respond to at the proper rate while sending the proper signals.

Attracting women is but a step in the process of actually getting women. A woman can be attracted for one of several reasons: personality, sense of humor, self confidence, looks, money, remind her of her hs sweetheart, etc. Any number of reasons.

The key to women is sexual escalation and tension not just attracting women, or the hot guy would get more ass than a toilet seat, yet many great looking guys end up here on the forum and some of the best pick up artists are average looking guys with a sense of style and individuality.

I feel the most consistent way to get laid are three element: Attraction, Connection, and Sexual tension/escalation. The sexual part being the most necessary element, many guys are attractive and just "get lucky" many guys build rapport and "get lucky" or get friend zoned(a common issue around here), but sexual tension is what works the most consistently because it sets the tone and escalates the situation.

Game is what I consider courtship but that is just my perspective, I have heard and can see how many would say there is no such thing as game, including a member of this forum I respect a lot. Their point makes sense, but it is just my perspective because I've noticed it seems like you have to run a tight rope sometimes.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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game is short for a game plan, confidence is being certain, competence and confidence go hand in hand

having and plan of action and knowing what you are doing without a doubt, is being confident and having ''game''

it is knowing what to do and how to do it, being good looking walking into a bar with social anxiety and absolutely no idea how to even have a simple conversation with someone isn't going to get you laid no matter how good looking you are, even the best looking guys will have barley any consistency with girls picking them up, and from the options they do get from the ''do nothing'' game plan are likely to be less then appealing, girls get male options more easily presented to them then the other way around because that is the traditional social dynamic in most places, why would a girl go approach guys and carry the interaction when she doesn't have to in order to have a successful dating life?

a good looking guy who is shy and has no idea what to do, is just as fucked in the dating pool as a deformed smelly guy with autism going out every week socializing, at least the autistic guy has a better chance meeting new girls regularily, meet 0 girls = sleep with 0 girls and improving your appearance is all just part of having a stronger plan of attack, why would you not do everything in your power to be more attractive if your goal is to attract more women and higher quality women?

it's all just your game plan, if you've been picking up girls for years as you say, chances are you already have a long list of concious/sub-concious things you repeat over and over, habits that are engrained into you, things that are just ''common sense'' to you, only thing is, common sense isn't so common to everyone and this is your ''game'' that you have developed through experiences you have had, you can improve upon your regular habits in little bits and pieces tweaking up the plan for more success here and there and it will make a difference, or you can keep repeating the exact same process over and over for yourself and see the same results, what ever works for you, it's your game plan, and having a game will put you leaps and bounds above guys that have no game, and passively sit by and hope some victoria secret model will just approach them one day begging them to go home with her, even with really good looks, a proactive average guy that invests a lot of time into dating and actively seeks out women, will get laid more often then a good looking guy who sits in his basement and does nothing

it's not the ''game'' that ''attracts'' the girls, it's you, but it's your game that lands the girls, your experience and know how of what to do in XYZ situation to get to point sex, when to jump ship, when to ride the wave, remembering that doing XYZ is a nono and the last few times got you into a verbal arguement, catching onto habits and patterns you exibit that are socially unattractive to work on them to find more social aquity, the more you improve anything you can, the better your plan and the more confidence you have in your plan, the more successful you will be at executing it with efficency and success, better plan, better execution of plan, better dating life

Pumpington sounds absolutely right.

You can be confident, successful in the traditional sense, have a great personality, and be shit with women. Look at my field report at the start - before I was introduced, I couldn't get a number or date for shit. Now, number close regularly, nearly kiss closed on friday. Game is simply a body of knowledge for efficient seduction. You can still seduce without it, but game is the pursuit of effective pick up.

For me anyway.

R

Well done as usual pump, didn't have the realization that Game was short for Game plan.

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Vic

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Actally, looks, money, prestige, confidence,etc...is a part of the game. But thanks anyway for trying to redefine what game is.

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No one can ever really say what precisely attracts a girl to you. Thats the problem. They its alpha, they say its confidence, they say its a sense of humor, they say its looks, they say its fashion, they say its status, they say its money, they say its power, they say alot of things.

A lot of things are correlated with a attraction, but no one ever tells you what will directly cause attraction.

Isn't that just the one mysterious thing that makes it fun to do pick-up? If you would know EXACTLY how to attract EVERY woman, and I mean literally EVERY woman in the world, would it be fun? It's a numbers game, no matter what, and you will face rejection. It's because every woman is attracted to other things. The thing you need to do is finding out WHAT she feels attracted to, and if you fit into that role. If not, find someone else, don't become something she wants, stay yourself. But be the best self you can be.

And it's true that there are variables such as looks, money, physical appearance, confidence. But even a guy with all these advantages, still will be rejected to some girls because even that guy has it's weaknesses that doesn't turn a girl on.

To summarise all of what I said: Become the best self you can ever be, don't change because other people expect to, but only change yourself (in a good way) if you believe it's the right thing to do.

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There is a lot of randomness that i don't like. And when you attract a girl Its not like you ever figure out exactly what attracted the girl either. Its kinda like present all these variables then she might or she might not like you.

For instance: I approach like 10 girls this weekend. I got two numbers. Three I never got to finish the conversation. 1 i just ejected because I didn't like her attitude when I said hello. 2 seemed disinteresed. 1 was just plain rude.

This all seems just to random for me. I don't like that. Particularly, if I was interested in one of these girls, like if I had a crush on a girl. I would want to know something that would work. It seems like to much luck.

It seems like its not game its seems like its like. It seems like you "get lucky." I don't like it because I feel powerless to some extent. Maybe this is too demanding, but if someone can't say directly what will cause a girl to be attracted to you I don't think there is any game.

I get what you mean. But the truth is that running good game increases your chances of success and actually does make an appreciable difference compared to the level of success that AFC's have.

You need to understand that if there was a catch-all type of routine or gimick that you could run on all or most women, then that would just be the status quo and something that all guys are taught from puberty onwards. But game is an artform, which is why some guys are great at it and some really suck at it. It's not fool-proof either, and even the best pua's still get blown out. However, over the long haul, you'll do exponentially better if you work on improving your game rather than just relying on random luck.

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The thing I did was starting a journal, posting every day of actually practising, and noting down what I learned. Even after 31 days of practising (at this moment), I've still so much to learn.

You might want a wingman or observer to observe your actions, who can recognise it, and tell you what to fix. That way you get a better understanding in what you do, and how you can improve, where your weaknesses are that need more practise to become strong points.

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I know my flaws.

#1. I game alone often, so there is always the question who are you here with if I'm at a bar.
#2 I feel inclined to be too nice.
#3 I don't t vibe socially and do a lot of small talk and sarcasm.
#4 Sometimes I approach without a transition or plan in mind. Just kind of aimless.
#5 Sometimes I get emotionally affected.

But, some of those things are useful. I feel inclined to be thoughtful and bring up topics people feel strongly about. I don't have to worry about sharing and I just have to be nice at the right times.

Totally agree with this statement ^

To quote standupguy, I think you have the inner self acceptance sorted which is the main ingredient and is translating across to girls well along with the external attributes. Its when, mostly the inexperienced guys get into the habit of only relying on those external attributes is when it becomes a problem for them so they end up as a permission boy or someone who try's hard and fails. Being attractive is how you translate sexual, inner confidence towards her subconsciously without trying to spell it out with obvious arrogance. In addition to this, being direct with truth in what you say to her is just as important. And this is just only part of the psychology involved with game.

Girls are attracted to different things, different looks, different guys, different styles, different lifestyles so the best way is not to worry about shit like that, the majority of times they don't even know what they are attracted to logically... Present your best self to the girl, don't fuck it up much(we will fuck up), push things forwards, and lead.. If she is not attracted to "who you are" and "how you present yourself" simply move on.
Game teaches you not to be needy, and to be your true best self and present it to the girl. Teaches you how to be attractive. And base on commonalities of many different seducers trying same things, presenting and teaching, things that have a high probability(never 100% absolutes), of working. It also teaches you about women behavior and their thought process and things they find attractive, based on thousands of approaches and lays in the commonality among seducers. What you probably did wrong since you were somewhat successful before you got into this is try to change, instead of looking for something from the so call "gurus" that fit into your references experiences(this is what i do and did... At one point i did try to change myself to try for example mm and the likes, it took me 2 seconds to find out, it did not fit into me and my style etc.. Now others like Mark Manson, gunwitch, 60, sleazy, steve jabba, had identical references experiences to what i have seen on the field... Make game adapt to you and who you are and your style and references experiences not the other way around. Most guys that join the community are clueless nerds, chodes, afcs, socially not adjusted dudes. You came in somewhat successful, and sometimes if you do not have your critical thinking skills right, maturity, and core confidence. The community will actually fuck you up mentally, a lot of mental masturbation, a lot of blind teaching the blind, a lot of unexperience guys teaching, a lot of intermediate to advance guys too young that have not live through different stages of life and still don't have enough experience, even if they believe they do, teaching and tons of marketing bs.

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