Being sexual from the beginning of the interaction is something reiterated over and over again in the community. I want to play devil's advocate and see what everyone's thoughts are because being sexual the whole time isn't always the right move in my opinion.

In the past I've noticed I'm more successful when I don't start off sexual, but rather have a platonic conversation in the beginning. When I open a set or HB I have two goals in mind:

• 1. Find something we can relate on.
  2. Get them genuinely laughing.

Once I have enough IOI's I take it from there and start flirting. I feel like this takes out much risk of coming off as a guy who comes off like every other guy and that I'm "different". As long as they're genuinely enjoying your company, the sexual escalation doesn't have to come into play until you want to isolate.

What are you guys' thoughts on this?

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First of all, I will open with a big statement:

"BEING SEXUAL IS IMPORTANT"

How you are sexual is the interesting part, I have found that in Mexico in high status clubs being overly physical have a reverse effect, you get the girl uncomfortable and she rejects you, based on social pressure and image. So I calibrate and avoid the super touching RSD style and go with normal kino (Vin DiCarlo escalation ladder) and more of a sexual vibe rather than super sexual kino.

In the other hand if you don't display any sexual vibe you might just waste your time creating rapport without attraction, leading to "I love to talk to him" and not "I want to have sex with him". While not being sexual at the beginning won't kill all of your approaches you will invest a lot in each interaction.

At the end, my ideal model is to spark sexual attraction first and then emotional attraction/connection. The inverse model requires more time, investment and hard work required to escalate from an emotional connection with neutral vibe to sexual attraction and sexual vibe.

XF

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You are doing it right, being sexual is the sub communication, is not being sexual at the beginning of the interaction is the i am relating man to a women instead of friend to friend. I am not scare to touch you and tell you what excites me about you. With experience you will calibrate and you won't even have to try to be sexual, you will be sexual without even having to talk about it. Women know by my presence i am sexual, i do not have to do or say anything, sometimes i get the "how many gf you have? or you must have a gf? ..

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I met two girls at the same place (at different times). The first girl started talking about sexual stuff before I even got a chance to. F-closed her on the first date. The second girl told me that she rejected another guy she met there because he started getting sexual on her first date. Then when I asked her opinions on sex she said it was no big deal, indicating that she really didn't want to engage in sexual discourse early on. I had to connect with her on more of a platonic level before f-closing her several dates later.

The point is that each girl is different. Some are very receptive to you going sexual early on. Heck, they may even beat you to the punch. Yet with other girls you may send them running for the hills if you start getting handsy and talking about their "booty" (as another forum member once reported to us as backfiring on him).

But also remember that you can project sexual confidence without being overt and sleazy. You can make sensuous eye contact with her. Put your hand on the small of her back. Speak about your sexuality in a confident manner. This doesn't mean you have to try and kiss them or grope them or talk about cumshots. You can still project sexual confidence and be "smooth" about it.

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AGREED! I especially agree with the bold that most guys miss! Timothy Perper once showed that every woman has their own unique sexual response curve.

One thing to keep in mind is even though each woman's response curve is unique to her they are also heavily mood based. If a woman has sex on her brain she will be far more open to sexual advances and be open with it than when she doesn't have sex on her brain. So if she seems to be projecting sex than you can reciprocate, if however it seems the furthest thing from her mind being sexual can be a bad thing and get you a quick blow out.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Women are just as sexual as guys are, it's just the goddamn society that makes them suppress those feelings. Most guys have no idea how hard it is for a woman to be sexual, just because of the fact that she might be labeled as 'slut', 'hoe', 'skank' by society or friends. It's a shame.

That might be why some women are afraid of being sexual, because it might be socially unacceptable for them. Or like some people I know say: "A woman with multiple guys is a hoe, but a guy with many women is a bro". (something like that, I translated it from dutch).

Wallie

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