Sounds like you are talking about David Shade. I'm not entirely sure what you meant by your question though, so maybe you could rephrase it?

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Dear Rye,

1) Do you ever get awkward pauses in convos? How do you deal with this?

2) Do you ever get tired before or during a sarge? How do you deal with this?

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Monday was my first night of actual sarging and it went surprisingly well. I used the "Who wants to buy me a drink" opener twice and neither went extraordinary but at least I did it. Anyway, I was talking to these two dudes I know and I see this chick talking to my friend, all of a sudden this chick comes over and gooses me in the junk. I played it cool, mostly because I was so surprised, I did not want to react because I figure that might be DLV. Later in the night, I approach the same girl and she splashed a drink on me and later spit water on me, I played it off like nothing, but I feel that was the wrong call. Any suggestions?

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Hey rye. I recently just discovered what my 'sticking point' is. My 'style' is basically cocky/funny and it always works to get the girls initially attracted to me. But the problem is I dont know when to turn off the asshole and I find myself eventually working backwards and the attraction kind of dies because I wont stop being a jerk. I guess im afraid of appearing to be too 'nice.' My questions are , when do you turn off the 'asshole' or cocky/funny and start opening up to the girl and being nice? And how nice?

Sorry for the late reply, been on vacation and didn't have time for any decent replies.

1) Not usually if I'm leading the conversation, because I talk too much and have a lot on my mind to say, so I don't like to waste a good opening. It does happen occassionally, but I generally switch topics and make a joke to get the energy going again (had this happen a lot at a party on xmas eve actually, couple of teenagers that made REALLY bad jokes).

2) I've been having some trouble with this actually, because my job drains the life out of me a lot and I just want to relax, but I know that once I get out there I'll feel a million times better and have a great time. It can be hard to get your energy going sometimes, so I use NLP and anchor that energy to certain music, images and kinesthetic devices and then when I need them I just use those and I'm good to go. I have been realising lately just how powerful NLP can be in these situations, because I'm not a morning person and I love to sleep in, but if I just play some certain songs I have no problem getting out of bed before the sun has risen.

As far as getting tired DURING a sarge, that's probably due to being bored by your target, at least that's what I find. Usually when this happens I make them interest me by asking them to tell me 3 interesting things about themselves, or start off on some crazy tangents that they really have to start acting fun with, or it isn't gonna work. Either they're gonna think you're weird, or tell you that they don't have anything interesting to contribute, in which case you can give them 5 minutes to think about something interesting while you walk around, or you can just blow the set off (you don't need to keep talking to people that bore the shit out of you, it's ok to have standards). The other thing that might happen, is they might play along and in that case, they become interesting, the conversation gets fun and you have the energy to keep playing.

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That's.....pretty fucked up man. That's a pretty weird problem and I don't really have enough info to figure it out. She could be flirting, in which case she's fucked up and you don't want to mess with that, unless you want some good sex, cause crazy girls fuck like animals. The other possibility is that she really doesn't like you. I mean REALLY. In which case, you have to really look at what you are doing and figure out why she is so pissed off. Is it because she is just a bitch, or did you do something? Is this a one time thing, or is it an issue that is affecting every sarge?

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You need to examine your game closely and be conscious about how much "funny" and how much "cocky" are going into the mix. Personally I never turn it off, it is who I am and always has been (I might have to sue David D for stealing my personality ) so I don't try, I just make them fall in love with my sense of humour and the games we play. Girls love to be teased, just as long as they can do it back, so let them, just make sure you're usually on top (not always, but the majority of the time). If they don't get a dig in here and there, then they start to feel like you are picking on them, rather than playing with them, which is what they are really looking for. Don't think about it so much as a game, but a dance and all they're looking for is a partner that knows the right moves and that can really make their head spin.

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thank you for responding ........ since I started looking into learning to be a PUA....I have been looking back at several missed oppertunities... and the one I think I might have missed..... we had more converstation than your normal thank you....... no thank you...... no no thank you..... (you know) I actually blushed and said "my wife is waiting for me" lol but I don't have to say that now....
anyways I like your responses to other people's questions

Thanks man. If you have any questions that you'd like me to answer, please feel free to ask!

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hey rye

you mind giving me some advice based on my field report from last night..... it was my first real attempt and i learned several things that i need to learn..... but i did see some potential... if you want more detail on things please ask... i will try and see if i can remember.....

I was reading an old "shit test" thread, in which you were very critical on the posters for failing the shit test.

I was hoping you could deconstruct the entire process --what is a shit test and what is and IOD and what is a "get the hell outta here buddy?" Next, what is the construct of the answer --what is the goal? Is it to be cocky funny, not give a logical answer, avoid the topic, etc? Also, do you not want to give a serious/logical answer to anything, or is it just qualifying questions that you do not want to answer? thanks for your help

Ok, well I went over it several times in that thread, so I would scan through the thread for my posts and take a look at what I've said about how a shit test should be and what it shouldn't. I deconstructed a couple of the replies, as well as the tests themselves, that I didn't think would work, or weren't even shit tests.

A few basic principles though:

Shit Test: When a chick does or says something which is meant to judge the reaction or response from a male, whether the test is done consciously or unconsciously.

ie. HB: Wanna buy me a drink?

IOD (Indicator of Dissinterest): A statement that displays disinterest on behalf of the person saying it (could be you, or could be her). These are often False Disqualifiers and are just said in order to make the person see that you won't just roll over, but that you will be a challenge and you will make it fun along the way.

ie. PUA: I'm not really turned on by girls that tell me to buy them gifts, but you could buy me one and if you're good conversation, then I'll buy the next round.

If a girl is trying to get rid of you, then their body language will change to block you out of the group, they will sound less friendly and more angry, or dissinterested and you will probably be able to tell, or if you don't see it, then you'll be told flat out to take a hike.

I'm very very cocky/funny, so I usually make my shit test responses cocky/funny and only partially answer the test so that they have to decide whether they want to keep pushing, or just give it up and have fun. The answer doesn't HAVE to be cocky/funny, but it typically is, even with guys that say they don't use cocky/funny.

You don't want to completely avoid the topic, but you don't want to answer it straight on either. Notice how in my example, I showed disinterest by telling the girl that she wasn't turning me on, then I told her to buy me a drink and that if she was good I might buy her one; that's about as much as you want to address the initial question, or you'll be showing that you just follow where she leads and that you can't be crafty too.

Sometimes the response to a shit test should be serious and logical, but it's not as common as being witty and funny. If a girl asks you a question about your opinion, you can be pretty flippant about it at first and they usually like it, but if they are asking a serious question, then answer it after you give one or two joking replies. Sometimes you just answer seriously first time though, it all depends on the situation and whether she's in a serious mood, or a fun and joking mood. Sometimes there are serious questions that a girl needs to know how you feel about in order to know how to proceed with you; so making light shows that you have a sense of humor and that even heavy stuff doesn't make you crack under pressure, but when you answer seriously and in a way that tells her what she was hoping to hear about you (generally that you have the same core values as her), then she knows that she likes you.

The objective, or the "goal", is to demonstrate that you are playing the same game, that you think the same and can interact, or at least that you get her and that you've got characteristics that she values. When you show that you are someone that can pass her tests, then she will want to continue talking with you and if you keep passing, you will eventually get to kiss and have sex with her, generally, but not always in that order.

Hope that helps some Plyka.

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Dear Rye,

1) If you're at a bar getting wasted with friends and see a set of HB's, should you approach and open with your normal game material or do you take a different approach? The opinion opener might sound funny if you ask it with an alcohol induced slur.

2) How soon do you return phone calls? I usually miss girls' calls not because I want to appear busy, but because I am busy and leave my personal cell phone at home sometimes. Do they get tired of not being able to reach me consistently?

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1) I haven't had more than a couple drinks while at the bar since I became a PUA. If I were to have a few too many on a night where I wasn't going out to sarge, but then saw someone that I just had to talk to, then I would do it in a fun way, where I show her that I'm out having fun with my friends and make her realise that I'm more fun than the other people around, so she wants to be with me. I don't use opinion openers very often, so not a big problem, because a slight slur added to a joke can make it funnier.

2) Depends on the situation. There's no rule. Sometimes I'll call a girl back 30 seconds after I missed the call and other times I will wait a couple days. It's a matter of what you're up to, what kinds of feelings you want them to feel (that you are there when they want to talk to you, that you are a rare commodity and valued, or that even if you're busy, you'll give them a call when you get the chance).

If they know that you have tons of social proof and that you don't sit at home alone reading a book on friday nights, then there's nothing wrong with giving them a call soon as you get their message, because being harder to reach will make them lose interest because they think that you already have too much on your plate and you can't take them a well.

If you've demonstrated that you're a big protector of loved ones and that you're there in a clinch, then maybe take a couple of hours, or a day depending on how busy you really are, because it will show that you have a life of your own to live. Unless of course they called you looking for some immediate help, then maybe you want to re-enforce the reliability in her mind, as long as it doesn't send you to LJBF.

Contrary to what AFCs think, there is no right amount of time to wait to call a girl, whether for a returned call, or for a first time call after getting her number.

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