This is something that's been on my mind recently. We typically rate HB's by looks, but there are other characteristics to a woman aside from looks which make a HUGE difference in their appeal, especially when you look at them as more than just a one-time smash and dash.

I'm seeing a girl now who is an HB6, which is a bit low on the looks meter. However, my buddy is telling me she's a good catch because she is successful, has a great education and career, a new car, nice house, lives in a nice part of town, etc. Then I have another buddy who doesn't care about looks or material possessions, and his thing is all about whether or not the girl is someone you truly love and enjoy being around.

I'm basically getting three schools of thought here: looks, lifestyle, and personality. Now I realize that if sex is all you want, then looks is all that matters. That's why most pua's can rely on the simplistic HB rating which just measures looks. But I'm thinking that maybe we need a weighted average system of some sort that takes into account all three factors, so that an HB6 might be an HB8 if she has money and charm or whatever. Maybe a "QG" rating (Quality Girl). I think that looks should be twice as important as personality and lifestyle. But personality and lifestyle should have an equal value. For example an HB10 who only rated a 8 on personality and an 8 on lifestyle would then be a QG9.

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Attraction is binary, one of the biggest problems I read around here is she is and hb 9 or 10 or whatever. Either you'd fuck or you wouldn't. Either you'd date her or you wouldn't. It's all pretty damn simple. The problem with assigning a woman a value is that means you can place her above you, as soon as you treat a 7 differently from an 8 you got problems, why? They are all attracted to the same thing for the most part, attraction after all is instinctual. Stop rating woman and your skills with them will improve immensely because a woman's value isn't her looks.

Note: If you must I use to rate girls differently and I've even thought about different ratings,but my buddy use to give 5 points for looks and 5 points for personality. Then a girl could be a perfect looking woman and still be a 5 if she has no personality, then a girl who was ok looking could be an 8 with an amazing personality. I've thought about rating systems a lot.... Even thought about doing 10 points for personality, looks, sanity, and having her shit together then dividing by 4 for a rating. I'm not obsessed with looks, if a girl is crazy, or has no personality I'm more turned off then on if she is a "10" aesthetically. Rating shit was getting stupid, that is why I was like who cares? Either you would or you wouldn't, nobody else opinion of the woman matters except yours don't trip on a "value" just know you like her or you don't.

If you want to obsess over rating systems you can but the point I'm trying to make is that rating systems put you in the wrong mindset, they start making you nervous, oh look at her how can I not be nervous? This is horrible.

I've been meaning to write an article on binary attraction for a minute, it truly is the best way to go through PUA.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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That actually makes a lot of sense. I'll need to re-evaluate my need to rate women now...

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I disagree somewhat. Looks will always be the main thing for men for primitive reasons more than anything. Having a rough 'looks rating' is good to provide a rough framework when discussing e.g with mates or over forums.

There would be no point overcomplicating the system especially as what I think of as a HB8 will be different (sometimes markedly) to what another guy would envisage as a HB8.

Although I couldn't prove this - I would assume also that there would be a correlation between a girls looks and the 'gaming difficulty level'; hence we all know in general that doing the bizzo with a hb10 is quite difficult! This further suggests why looks have always been and will always remain the true marker..

But say you are seeing an HB8 and an HB6. The HB8 is broke, annoying as hell, and treats you like crap. But the HB6 has money and is really intelligent and treats you like a king. Clearly, these aren't just binary yeses. There is a distinct difference between the two despite both being yeses in your "would I fuck them or not" category.

The HB8 would get lowered to a 7, and the HB6 gets raised to a 7. Now they are both tied as far as their all around rating. Because we all know that sex is only the time you spend in the bedroom. It has no bearing on when you guys are riding in the car together to go get some fast food. A pretty face is nice to look at, but an annoying attitude is hard to listen too after a while. Again, this rating system has more bearing on girls you look at as relationship material, rather than one night stands.

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More attractive women aren't more difficult to game then less attractive women, the problem with your statement is you are assuming that a 6 isn't attracted to the same thing a 10 isn't. The tactics don't change, how could they? Yeah they each have their type but the reality is their are some pretty fly girls that are "chubby chasers."

There is one thing I'll say women who have more "value" can be more picky, but that doesn't mean she is attracted to anything different. Yes in some small studies it has been proven that couples tend to meet in physical attractiveness rating. In my experiences more attractive women are actually easier to game because they usually have huge egos that need love, so you play take away from the ego (don't give them that attention) and they flock to you. If you are some guy who is genuinely building a connection and refuse to take her shit you become very attractive in a hurry.

What you said was a very inexperienced line. You are creating a barrier in your mind that 10s are harder to game, when the reality is they aren't.

Looks are necessary to men for attraction, there is no doubt about that but for me they don't define how attracted I am to a woman. Honestly looks are a small part of my attraction to a woman, they are absolutely necessary to me mind you but I've come across woman that I was initially very attracted to then I was like "sheez you have got to be the ugliest person I've ever met."

I am not that shallow, you can't be if you want to be good with women. If you are shallow you'll be good with certain types of women but not with women overall. If you consistently assign a woman a value based off of her looks then she will "smell" it and that will assign you such a value.

Just some thoughts to latch on to Enigma...

Peace and Love,

Vic

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Love the way you look at it, everyone needs to not care about the look but the whole package. Of course it matters what you are interested in, long term or just one night stand.

This rating system bullshit has grinded my gears right from the beginning of PU.

Everybody please read the quoted words above.

Poetic, write that article soon. . . Before I do it.

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I still like the idea of the rating system because it allows you to more effectively choose between 2 or more girls. Sure, if you have this mentality that girls you rank as 9s and 10s are out of your league, then it becomes self-defeating. But if you are fucking a 9 and a 10 and you don't know which one to pick as your gf and which one to cut loose, then you need an effective way of measuring their value. That's why I think a more esoteric evaluation system is needed, although it's admittidly something that might not be necessary for pua's who are just starting out.

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Isn't her value simply what you are looking for in a woman? If she got the qualities you are looking for and they are stronger than the qualities the other girl has - why the hard pick?

Which leads to the question: What's the need for a 'value-number' on a woman in the first place?

Even if you did create a new rating system with women - it would still be as full of shit as the current one, because what you value in a woman is nowhere close to what anybody else values in their women. A white-trash whore could be a 10 to Poetic, whereas the same woman could be a 2 to you.

Another woman's personality may be exactly what you are looking for in a girl, whereas the same personality could be complete bs to me and completely contradict my philosophies.

^That is exactly why there will never be a universal rating system.

Why complicate your life instead of just going for what you want and be happy about it?

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I dunno, I think if people are honest, a 10 is a 10 to me as much as it will be to some random guy in Scandanavia. I don't think anyone finds high maintenance girls appealing, and why wouldn't you want a rich girl as opposed to someone on welfare and food stamps. Sure, you have to account for some variances in what people find attractive, but for the most part these things should be universal.

I'm also focusing more on this after a revalation I had recently. Which is that women who rank higher on the looks scale generally rank lower on the quality scale. And some of the women who rank lower on the looks scale would actually rank higher on quality scale. So if we judge women by superficial appearance alone then we are not effectively analyzing the overall quality of a woman that we might decide to make our gf or wife. Ironically, women do this exact thing to guys. Most are far less concerned with looks and instead judge us based on our personality, hygiene, wealth, ambition, social status, etc. That's why they always say things like "You're not what I'm looking for" or "You're not my type" or "He looks good on paper".

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I can't personally see that i'd need to mathematically work out which girl out of several I should see more.
I think I'd just know which one i like more.
(Which one i get on with, and enjoy being with, more - looks and everything)

I'll get it up in the next few days.... LOL.. I have been meaning to do it for a while, but I had a friend who said he'd put up an article and he never did. So I'll write something up and put it on here soon.

Peace and Love,

Vic

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It's not like you need a pencil and scratch paper to work out the long division in order to solve the equation of whether or not you like the girl. Lolz

This is just a guideline that you would go by in order to identify good and bad traits and rank the girls accordingly. A lot of guys come on here asking who they should pick, the hb or her friend? They aren't sure because the girls are both comparable in looks or whatever. And who knows, maybe they are comparable in other aspects as well. It won't always be a clearcut decision.

Part of me likes the idea of having this multi-dimensional rating system because I know that women do the same thing to us. But the misogynist in me still likes the old system which is based solely on looks, because it's basically an insult to women since it gives no regard to any aspect of their life aside from how pretty her face is and how nice her body looks.

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Do you really, deep inside, believe that a 10 on your scale (personality included) is a 10 to everyone else?

And most importantly, back to the original unanswered question - WHY do this in the first place? Why does this matter to you at all?

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