"Here we are, she thought, at the edge of the world - the very edge of western civilization and all of us are so desperate to feel something... anything... that we keep falling into each other and fucking our way toward the end of days."

We're all after the same thing in the end, the way we go about it makes little difference in the end.

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So, you're saying, it doesn't matter if we're fake? When you've pounded the point time after time that it does matter?

Zip, correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that's one point she was getting across. Don't assume a character that's not you.

LOL

My first thought to this video was "damn this girl wants attention and really wants to get picked up by a smooth-talkin PUA who knows what the hell he's doin!"

And yeah, we know you're lying. Well, at least I do. You would like nothing more than to throw negs back and forth with a PUA... to experience that challenge... to feel alive again like when you were a little kid teasing boys while they pulled your hair on the recess playground... because your youthful desires never died as your peers were thinking that they lost their "innocence."

I know because I'm the same way... which is why we could never ever be together because I wouldn't take your shit and you wouldn't take mine. Now what fun would that be? =P

I think we should both move on to follow a nude erection so that you can finally have a chance at getting me off you're mine. (non-speed seduction translation: nude erection = new direction, getting me off = getting me off, you're mine = your mind)

Oh lookie, I combined TD styled roleplay tactics with NLP. Hooray I get a cookie =P

Love,

lol, point taken.... I definately should have stated my point more elequently... Please picture me saying that whole line about fucking in a super cute and innocent way. A lot of times the real meaning behind what I have to say gets lost in translation from thought to writing.

And I apologize if I made a blanket statement. Not all PUAs are the same for sure... You have good style L.A. : )

As for The Art of Seduction. Please don't forget to remind us zip that that is only your opinion. Zip, for the past year I have been studying.... shall we say.... my own form of PUA as a full time job. Stripping has allowed me a perfect resource to be able to test what I learn as well as spend a shit ton of money on books. lol, They sure as hell knew me at Borders! Any ways, I don't watch T.V. I read. I don't play video games, i write. I never once claimed to be an expert on PUA, the reason why I'm getting into this forum now is because I'm now moving into the actual PUA lit! : ) I wish I could say I've read a PUA book in total, but then I would be lying, most of what I've gotten is off the net and in short E-book.

Anyhow here's some of the material I've been using to understand the human psyche... which I know is incomplete, but My work is never over! every question creates even more questions into an infinite spectrum of nuance. One other note, my books haven't arrived from shipping from Hawaii... this list is by all means incomplete right now, I will update it hopefully today when my books come in. Any how:

Books I've read so far:
Social Intelligence, Daniel Goleman
Art of War, SunTzu <---use symbolicly of course
How to persuade People who Don't want to be Persuaded,
The Science and Practice of Influence, Cialdini
Power Persuassion, ? <---really good
The 48 laws of Power, Greene
The Art of Seduction (of course, shit, read it twice), Greene
The Owners Manual to the Brain, ?
How to Win the Crowd, Steve Cohen (amazing book on entertaining)
Magic and Showmanship, Nelms
How to Talk to Anyone, Lowndes

Books in line for study
Self Theories,
Social Animal & Age of Propaganda, Aaronson
NLP Turning Frogs into Princes & The Structure of Magic, Bandler
Irrisistable Attraction, Hogan
33 strategies of War
The Art of Deception, (<---actually a book on logic and debate)
Secrets of Comedy Writing
The Red Queen

Damnit, I haven't seen my books in weeks now, There's so many more damnit, I can't remember though, there's too many

Now I agree with you that it isn't "right" to try and transform yourself into something your not, unless of course you enjoy doing that... And hey, haven't all of you done that at somepoint in your career as a PUA? I mean we all have to pretend like we're confident when we're not on the inside, or cool, when we actually doubting ourselves. but anyhow I guess I'm just spiritually comfortable with myself to the point that I'm always aware of what I'm doing, I'm strong in my core, I know who I am, I'm strong in my inner world so I am free to play as I like in my outer world... in a sense I guess anyways, that's just the way I see it.

I love taoist philosophy which pretty much states that everything good is also bad and everything bad is also good.... therefore it doesn't really make much of a difference.... I could list all the Spiritual books/knowledge under my wing too... okay I will, just to show that I know what I'm talking about in the above paragraph:

OSHO!!! <--- love it... "insights for a new way of thinking", he's a spiritual guru who curses. Books of his I've read: Creativity, Awareness, Intuition, Freedom, Courage
Buddhism ---> awakening the buddha within, Surya Das
Integral Vision, Wilber
Life after Life, Moody
The Taoist Classics Vol.3
Tao Te Ching, Lao Tzu
The Baghhvad Gita
The Book of Secrets, Osho <--- the hugest book ever on Tantra
Auto Biography of a Yogi
We, The Arcturians
What The Bleep do We Know?
The Secret

Not to mention study on conciousness, hypnotism, Sales technique, presentation technique fuck, there's just way too much shiat that has all rolled into one for me

Anyways... I guess this is just more about me.

See, a lot of people might think you guys are playing dirty right? but it's just becuase they don't understand. It's the same way for me I guess, you guys may think I'm playing dirty, but really the way I see it, is I'm only a little more dirty than you ; ).... I'm not trying to hide it either, at least do I get some points for that?

I've never tried to hide who I am, if someone figures it out, i fess up, and hope they still love me for all the social deviation I wreck on society. lol... although I have to admit that honestly, I don't care whether I get my way or not. I've reached inner peace.

Anyhow, I'm done defending myself, if you guys don't agree with my tactics, fine, If you guys dislike me because of my strategies, fine, But what the methods I use work. And I admit, that I have selfish motives as well, but I'm always trying to make this world a better place by encouraginf people to improve themselves, to keep learning, to connect with a HIGHER sense of self... which in my eyes balances out lows.... but that's just me.

We all have different ways of getting what we want. I understand if you guys just don't understand or agree with mine. Seriously though, it's not so bad, it's just different.

You're probably right... I'm just saying a tendency is to read the book and "try on" different characters. It's not the author's intent, but it's a tendency.

Sweet reading list, Erin. I look forward to your contributions to the forum.

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"Please explain to me what is so bad and/or funny about 'this stuff', I don't quite follow the logic."

The fact is that almost all of my friends are AFC's, but think they are successful because they either A) they fuck ugly girls, B) they fuck lots of drunk girls, or C) they have a girlfriend

The reason PUA is laughable to most AFC's is because joining into a group like this, at least for myself, is admitting that I have no clue what I am doing and I need help. Essentially we are all exposing a weakness, that most people have, but that most guys (AFC's) believe they are above. By joining a group like this to an AFC is appears this way.
"Wow this guy is such a fucking loser that he can't get chicks and on top of that has to read books and ask other people how to pick them up. What a fucking retard."
I for one think this is probably one of the more productive things I do with my time and truly believe that this stuff works.

And you're right, and your friends will notice in the long run, if you stick with it.

You have quite an extensive list of books in your collection; very similar to mine, down to the Taoism material and everything (although the books in that subject field are different).

It looks really impressive on paper, but without proper application and personal display...it might be hard to apply what you have learned. So let us all add some communication books to our list, shall we?

;p

Please explain what part of Taoism this is? I am not quite sure if a SINGLE Taoist principle can be removed from it's context and be used to condone manipulation and things of that nature; I think by the statement you listed above, it is speaking more along a broader mindset. Otherwise, Taoists would be fine with murder. or genocide. or rape? (none of which they are).

Do you like Taoist philosophy, or just the philosophy that can be twisted to agree with your train of thought? =p

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Who said this?

See, Some people were saying that my methods of pua were bad... And, I said that a lot of people outside the community see pua as bad in general, and that IF you want to see it that way then my methods are really bad : ). But my whole point is that it works, bad or not, it works. And I for one am definitely of the school of thought that PUA is improving yourself, moving yourself to a higher level of thought, making the most of your life. And I of course don't see either the methods of the Pua community, nor my personal methods as bad... some people would though.

And to locke, on taoism. Point taken. Taoism does encourage moving into the yin, for yin is the power of creation, and life cannot exist without it. The point is though, that good and bad are two sides of the same coin... they are the dual aspect of a single aspect. Good and bad are in other words the same thing, the goal of taoism is to actually reach the non-doing of non-doing... as in neuteralism. Finding the good and bad in everything and just existing. Being selfish AND selfless by being neither, Being humble and cocky by being neither. Vitality Energy Spirit is my favorite, i re-read it all the time. Anyways, it is just my interpretaion, which I must say I haven't been reading much of lately, I just do what I do, and meditate on occasion to return to the spirit. I wish I could say I knew for sure, but once again, then I'd be lying.

Actually here's something Meth said above: For me, I agree with this. This is taoist to me in a way. And to you meth: I see the light of soul in each persons eyes. I recgnize it, love it, and try to encourage each soul to put more power into their minds. After all our minds are the most important physical object, the most important part of our physical bodies are they not? Anyhow, sometimes you must show people darkness for them to want to reach for the light. right? At least that's how I was brought to light.

I was shown that I could be manipulated by an enlightened master who knew that I was on the path of improvement... he knew that I wouldn't just take it and feel sorry for myself, or blame the other person. I guess what I'm trying to say is if you show people that they can be manipulated they can go to one of the two sides of the spectrum: hate you and the manipulation, or decide to learn from it and learn manipulation... thereby strengthening their minds and increasing their power over those who don't understand it yet, and hopefully take the stance that I do. Anyways that's just my thoughts on the matter

namaste

Erin, what you quoted as "justright" saying, your man Meth actually said.

lol, true dat, m'bad

if you want to get crazy in statements, how about the non-doing of non-doing is NOT the doing of non-being.



I don't see how neutrality comes into play when we are talking about morality.

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I edited my post above btw... i added a few paragraphs.

Oh yeah? well non-being is actually being non-being and therefore being. let's say..... the primordial state trumps all?

lol, I guess that's why I'm amoral.

*Swoon*

Zip, you had me at "connotative discussions".


Lol Chief man you're SPAM some of our more potent material to a newbie! Uh...high five!

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Amorality is not a good thing....but then again, as someone with morals, its not surprising that I find being amoral, immoral.

your non being is the same thing as nonconformity. saying your a non-conformist, or NOT conforming at all....is, well, conforming to something.

Stop dancing around these things

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