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more mind fuckery today after deciding to leave her for abit and reopen in a couple days she text me.

Her: I'M BORED.

Me: Come round then.

Her: I really want some eggs benedict.

Me: I'm making myself a blt, its gonna be intense.

Her: I want one!

Me: Stop being lazy and come round then.

Her: Give me an hour and il be there.

Me: You'll have to trust there will be bacon left.

Her: Please :(

Her: This best be a good sandwich.

Me: Don't ever doubt my cooking skills.

Her: I look forward to it.

Her: Is my sandwich ready yet?

Me: Yup, come round.

*45 minutes later*

Her: haha I'm cooking myself eggs benedict.

Me: Fair Play, sandwich is gone anyway. Enjoy the eggs.

Standard text gapping everything usual. She's a fucking strange one. Seriously she keeps doing this shit to me.

NOTE: Just got clarification that she has been fucking other guys. Which is a good note for me as it eliminates my emotions for her and shes currently begging for me to go round and fuck her purely cos im sexting her. They can't be fucking her right ;)

She's playing you like a fiddle.


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hmm... after this one, this sort of changes the idea that she may be getting attached and looking for commitment, looks more like indifferent trolling now from this point of view, she is just sort of tooling you for fun

maybe it might be a wise idea to stop texting so much, and start using the phone instead to grasp a better context to the things she is saying and the mood she is in
Heres the text log from after that incident. I think she is trolling me/trying to play me and expecting a reaction.

Me: Fair play, sandwich is gone, enjoy the eggs.

Her: Whatcha doin tonight?

Me: Friend is cooking me dinner then work, u

Her: work?!

Me: Yup altho u have making up to do.

Her: How would you like it.

Me: Cumming as loud as I can make her.

Her: Her?! That better not be anyone except me.

Me: Your the hottest girl I know. //Obviously this is sucking up but no where did I clarify that I'm not fucking other girls.

Her: You can't know many then! I'm so horny. I havent had sex in 4 days. //Clarifying she's having sex with other guys.

Me: I would completely destroy you right now.

Her: Why can't it be earlier :( //It was 12, both have uni at 9.

Me: I'm going to fuck you against my wall whilst you suck on my fingers and beg for more.

Her: come round now xxx //I get shes asked me to come round but no way am I complying after she flakes on me and says shes too tired to walk to mine.

Me: Come here, I Want you against MY wall.

Her: I want to be in your shower. :(

Me: I'l have you both ways, night.

Her: This week! night.

Please just post your thoughts on this and if she is truly trying to "play me" even after I've had sex with her.

Anyway cheers for the posts. Personally I think this girl loves getting reactions from guys even if they're negative ones.


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If she's really that horny, why doesn't she come over? She wants it bad, and your door's open, so where is she going to fix her problem?

My guess is somebody else is plowing her. She's curling her finger at you in case he gets tired of her so she's not left without a chair when the music stops.

If you like being her plan B, keep it up. Otherwise, I'd cut your losses and move on.

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My guess is somebody else is plowing her. She's curling her finger at you in case he gets tired of her so she's not left without a chair when the music stops.
I can 100% say that somebody else is fucking her. She's a slut as I've already clarified and confirmed. If I get a chance to fuck her again Il make sure I blow her mind but if I don't then its not much skin off my back.

I would agree with the "If shes that horny she will come round" but tbh I don't think thats a general "life rule" for every girl. I was fucking horny last night, didn't see me running over there because 1) it was 1am by this point 2) Im fucking tired.

We've had the late night sexting/phone shit before. She didn't come around then but I had her crawling around on my bed the next night.

Personally SPAM I see it as: Il let her play her little games till it interferes with my life, then im gone.


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hmm, might be worth your while to put a lot of focus in to something else right now if this girl is on your mind at all maybe even a freeze out (for you to de-tach from thinking of her)

if she's been flaking, and she's doing that, ha I want you but no... female player bs

just push her away (not harsh, just change your focus and let her invest), best way for you to project indifference is to focus on something else, and actually not really care if she ever sees you again or not (other girls, incoming contact only, focus on the gym, etc. etc.)

or you can always just try to artificially create this, but if you actually care it might be tough, since she will test it out by teasing you with fake offers for sex and shit, then retract them just to fuck with you, jumping on these only further gets you tooled, but you got the right idea for making it have to be on your terms,

the whole, non chalant I don't care thing goes pretty well, but it's fun when they are blowing you off, to start blowing them off, but offering a means for them to put in effort to make it work, that way you are not running around doing the bitch work, and girls that want attention and to waste your time without giving you the logistics can go waste someone else's time instead and you know it's just time to move on

so for example

step 1) drop texting, start not having time to do this, when she texts, call her, and speak voice to voice instead, that way she will find it more difficult to be witty and come up with way to tool you, and you can be quicker in real time to dis-qualify the problems she creates as well as read the context of what she is saying better

step 2) when she is tempting you like this, don't buy into her frame, question and challenge her offers, or counter offer her on your terms, if there is to be a situation or good logistics, it's up to her to invest in that, best you can do is frame it as something of benefit for both of you, or actually try to find out what she values to create a real benefit for her (if you even want to put in the effort for that)

so here is some overanalyzation on your conversation, some food for thought, things you might not have caught yourself
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Heres the text log from after that incident. I think she is trolling me/trying to play me and expecting a reaction.

Me: Fair play, sandwich is gone, enjoy the eggs.

Her: Whatcha doin tonight?
the start is the point where it is descided who has the purpose, and who is leading, she opens a thread on logistics, this is your time to screen her for logistics for example,
''why? are you lonely?'' lead the frame, find direction, bring value to her or cut the interaction


Me: Friend is cooking me dinner then work, u
since she is directing the pace, this whole conversation is on her terms, not a huge deal, but she is the person with the objective here, and when that is the case, it leaves you open to her, creating what she wants, instead of what you want who knows what her objective is, but once it is filled, you are no longer of use to her, that could be a good thing, or a bad thing

Her: work?!
take note how she did not, qualify for your request

Me: Yup altho u have making up to do.
you took the frame back here and took the lead, this sort of move threatens investment, so if you are having problems with her investment wise, it would be probably be better to bring as much value as you can, instead of trying to create a fear of loss

*in other words, make things more appealing for her, instead of trying to play the you're lucky to have me show me why game*


Her: How would you like it.
this is where she takes the frame back, and baits you into a qualifying for her

Me: Cumming as loud as I can make her.
you qualify but add the context that it is not her you are qualifying

Her: Her?! That better not be anyone except me.
she baits you again to qualify for her properly, she is leading

Me: Your the hottest girl I know. //Obviously this is sucking up but no where did I clarify that I'm not fucking other girls.
you qualify her as she wanted

Her: You can't know many then! I'm so horny. I havent had sex in 4 days. //Clarifying she's having sex with other guys.
she puts you down, and dhv's herself

Me: I would completely destroy you right now.
you react and qualify yourself this is bad behavior on her end

Her: Why can't it be earlier :( //It was 12, both have uni at 9.
baiting you to qualify for her more

Me: I'm going to fuck you against my wall whilst you suck on my fingers and beg for more.
you qualify her

Her: come round now xxx //I get shes asked me to come round but no way am I complying after she flakes on me and says shes too tired to walk to mine.
shit test

Me: Come here, I Want you against MY wall.
this is ok here, less value in this for her though, when you have that feeling like she's just fucking with you, you can just challenge her by questioning the test, example:
''do you have food at your house to eat after?''
if she doesn't qualify, don't take the bait,
example
her:no, or heh I wasn't serious, blah blah blah


Her: I want to be in your shower. :(
this girl is leading and baiting like crazy, and you are following and taking the bait, she is once again, baiting you to qualify her

Me: I'l have you both ways, night.
qualify her

Her: This week! night.
she plans the date, and leads

Please just post your thoughts on this and if she is truly trying to "play me" even after I've had sex with her.

Anyway cheers for the posts. Personally I think this girl loves getting reactions from guys even if they're negative ones.
the thing is, she has fucked you already, and is attracted to you, so that part is done, but the other thing is, is she is leading, you are are validating her when she isn't investing, and qualifying yourself for her when she is showing bad behavior, she will probably still fuck you just for the fact that she is attracted, but you can start validating her less, and just bring value for her towards the idea of you getting compliance, then validate her after she invests, rather then just because she baits you into qualifying her or qualifying yourself

so, if you actually take your focus off this and become more indifferent, it is more likely for these things to naturally start to occur, like cutting down the phone validation, and letting some tension build so she misses the absense of validation, once she misses it, you create opportunities and lead her to good logistics and just have sex


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Cheers for the post Pumpington, another quality one. Yeah as I've tried to state before (people don't seem to read every post) this girl is a slutty player.

Basically this is the game play after reading your post.

So I'm going to base the rest of this week around exercise, gaming uni girls and doing uni work. She can make first contact and when she does il be indifferent to it and alpha. I won't jump on the texting bandwagon either next time she iniates contact.

Something I definitely need to improve upon is the fear of "pissing the girl off" for example here:

Her: Why can't it be earlier

I was going to go with.

Me: Silly girl, should have jumped on me earlier. I'm a busy boi.

But then the traditional "If she takes this the wrong way" fear creeped in. Would the response there have been better then the shit I was spewing.

The only other problem is that the last time we had sex was two weeks ago. That was definitely the best sex I've given her (she had to take 10 minutes to herself whilst doing the whole gasping/not being able to talk thing.) however 2 weeks is a long time.

The last part of your post was essentially what made me grin quite well last night as I was going to sleep.

She obviously seeks my validation and I gave her quite a bit last night. Her last words were "This week! night" which overanalyzewise she is expecting me/wants me to be "COME OVER I WANT UR BODY" every night. Il take the validation and compliance that I give her away.

Cheers bro, let me know your thoughts on the game plan. Also anyone else posting, please don't bother posting "shes playing you" or "Shes getting it somewhere else."

Two things:

I know shes a slut.
I know she fucks other guys. // This benefits me as I've conditioned by brain to become emotionless as soon as I know a girl is getting it somewhere else as well.


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Cheers for the post Pumpington, another quality one. Yeah as I've tried to state before (people don't seem to read every post) this girl is a slutty player.

Basically this is the game play after reading your post.

So I'm going to base the rest of this week around exercise, gaming uni girls and doing uni work. She can make first contact and when she does il be indifferent to it and alpha. I won't jump on the texting bandwagon either next time she iniates contact.

Something I definitely need to improve upon is the fear of "pissing the girl off" for example here:
it is not very productive the make this an objective, rather when she is behaving badly, re-condition her to not do that, fear of loss on an investment that she values does more then lowering the value of the product
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Her: Why can't it be earlier

I was going to go with.

Me: Silly girl, should have jumped on me earlier. I'm a busy boi.
nothing wrong with this sort of thing, it's just sort of risky to adopt that mind frame of ''I want to punish'', ''I want to make her feel bad'', ''I want to piss her off'', ''I want reaction XYZ''

avoid seeking reactions, and approval, the goal here is indifference, as in, you don't really think about her or care, for real, not just saying this to her, or trying to show her this for a reaction, but just actually not caring about her (hating or loving her, is the opposite of not caring, caring is caring, and being indifferent towards her is not the same thing as not paying attention to her, not being concerned with what she does or how she acts, vs being aware of what she does and how she acts/feels are two different things, you should ''care'' about that, and remain socially intelligent but not ''care'' about getting her or if she sticks around)
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But then the traditional "If she takes this the wrong way" fear creeped in. Would the response there have been better then the shit I was spewing.

The only other problem is that the last time we had sex was two weeks ago. That was definitely the best sex I've given her (she had to take 10 minutes to herself whilst doing the whole gasping/not being able to talk thing.) however 2 weeks is a long time.

The last part of your post was essentially what made me grin quite well last night as I was going to sleep.

She obviously seeks my validation and I gave her quite a bit last night. Her last words were "This week! night" which overanalyzewise she is expecting me/wants me to be "COME OVER I WANT UR BODY" every night. Il take the validation and compliance that I give her away.

Cheers bro, let me know your thoughts on the game plan. Also anyone else posting, please don't bother posting "shes playing you" or "Shes getting it somewhere else."

Two things:

I know shes a slut.
I know she fucks other guys. // This benefits me as I've conditioned by brain to become emotionless as soon as I know a girl is getting it somewhere else as well.
the real challenge here is just the tension, the goal is not to piss her off of make her like you less, the goal is to become less available so that she misses the absense of the attention she likes, and to make your attention seem like it is worth more, if she can get your validation so easily then no tension builds, if she has to work for it, then it seems more fufilling when she gets validated

so for example,
her: why can't it be earlier?

instead of
you: I'm going to fuck you against my wall whilst you suck on my fingers and beg for more.

your goal is to build more anticipation towards sex (this is the tension aspect), make her want it more without giving her the full validation, so where your idea works, the frame around this is not, ''PISS HER OFF'', it's ''tease her''

and think of tease not like ''insult'', tease under the context of ''flirt/cocktease'' except replace cock, with cunt or something... be a cunt tease

so you can reply with things like


her: why can't it be earlier?

you: good things come to those that wait, are you a patient girl?

^ and you bait her instead of the other way around, and when she plays your game, that is when you validate her, when she says, I sure am a patient girl, that's when she gets her rewards

for the most part though flirting over text can be suicide, it's best to save escalation bother verbal or physical for face to face so that you can properly read her, phone/text is better just to set up logistics

face to face > phone > text > facebook > email


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Yo so just thought I'd post a little update and to possibly get some feedback from pumpington on how "indifferent" ive been acting and how I'm managing to build sexual tension.

I decided saturday to text this girl as I'm really only gonna use her to practice so ST building and to act indifferent, if I get a shag out of it on the way then eeeyyyy, if not I've learned some shit. Anyway:

Saturday:

Me: Alright lazy, I'm ridiculously skint at the moment so I'm starting to charge the ladies. // qualify request or did I request a DHV?

Her: What have you spent all your money on!? I'm rich as fuck. // DHVing herself.

Me: Booze, drugs, women and rocknroll. // DHVing myself.

Her: I am the personification of all of those things. // DHVing herself again.

Me: That's for me to judge. // Taking control?

Her: I'M BORED // Ignoring the attempt.

Me: Awwwwhhh poor you.

Her: I Know :(

Sunday (11am)

Her: What are you doing? I need entertainment.

Sunday (5pm)

Me: Just got in, mad busy day. Your always bored! // create mystery and neg her.

Her: You're so lazy // desperate attempt to neg me? or equal the field

Me: I wish ;) // Slightly DHVing myself?

Her: When do I get to see you again? // Bait?

Me: Soon, Good things come to those that wait. // I was busy.

Her: owh, so not tonight then? :( // another bait?

Me: tsktsk be patient bad girl. // Yet again I was busy.

Her: I won't be able to soon :( // Implying that she's on her period soon.

Personally I think that this method of interacting with her has worked a lot better then previous methods. I've obviously managed to put the seed of thought into her head that currently she is not the only girl I have at the moment so I'm not "majorly distraught" when she isn't available for sex.

What do you think/thoughts on improvement. Also where to go from here? should I leave her to chase me or would the standard PUA do a complete reopen.

I'm going to some bonfire with some girls tonight, should I DHV myself some more or should I jump on this girl before the period week OR use the period week to build even more ST.


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Me: Alright lazy, I'm ridiculously skint at the moment so I'm starting to charge the ladies. // qualify request or did I request a DHV?
joke and qualifier statement at same time

Her: What have you spent all your money on!? I'm rich as fuck. // DHVing herself.
she throws a qualifier back, also qualifies herself for you

Me: Booze, drugs, women and rocknroll. // DHVing myself.
you qualify yourself nothing wrong with this though it's just convo and it obviously not you seriously explaining yourself to her or trying to impress, you can play with this even more and get into re-directs, or trolling ground, such as:
hookers and heroine ;P, or, what? you trying to get a piece of my millions? stupid shit like that, don't do it too much, what you did is fine, that's just an idea if you want to see how to avoid her qualifiers (aka bait)


Her: I am the personification of all of those things. // DHVing herself again.
she is trying to qualify for you here and she is seeking your approval, since you originally baited her, this is the type of behavior you reward, such as, ''ahh perfect, always wanted a rich girl, what are you up to?'' etc. the frame is important, you want it to be approval giving, rather then approval seeking, as in you are not sucking up to her giving her rewards when she is forcing it, but rather when she is sucking up to you, you reward

Me: That's for me to judge. // Taking control?
this is just cutting the thread, and yes leading

Her: I'M BORED // Ignoring the attempt.
she starts a new thread, this is a shitty frame it projects the idea that you are her entertainment, but still she is investing

Me: Awwwwhhh poor you.
you don't buy into her frame, once again you give her a dead end so that this thread doesn't take off

Her: I Know :(
she has no idea where to lead with this, you are cutting her threads and not leading, this is neither bad or good, it just is

Sunday (11am)

Her: What are you doing? I need entertainment.
she wants your attention, once again set the you are her entertainment frame, you don't even respond, good move imo, this frame is bullshit

Sunday (5pm)

Me: Just got in, mad busy day. Your always bored! // create mystery and neg her.
break rapport on her to kill that shit frame

Her: You're so lazy // desperate attempt to neg me? or equal the field
she reacts to the rapport break (shit test)

Me: I wish ;) // Slightly DHVing myself?
you react to test and qualify yourself while reframing that you are not lazy, when she goes on the aggressive and says negative things, just agree with her and make it retarded if you don't know what to do, very lazy, you should wash my back cause I'm tooo tired, w/e, just hold the frame but take what ever she says out of context so that it no longer seems realistic

Her: When do I get to see you again? // Bait?
she is getting eager for your attention

Me: Soon, Good things come to those that wait. // I was busy.
you tease her, this baits her to qualify for being serious about the meet

Her: owh, so not tonight then? :( // another bait?
she qualifies to show she is serious about meeting, this is your sign to lead her to a meet, but when dealing with flaky chicks, you are well off to give them half assed nonchalant meetups and frame them like they would be fun, but not important to you so that you don't devalue yourself at all, such as:
well, if you really want to meet, after 6 you could come over, but you'd have to get a ride


Me: tsktsk be patient bad girl. // Yet again I was busy.
compliance test, if she complies passed this and tries again, you should give her an opening, when you tease, just see if they qualify passed that, when you see they are truly investing and not just looking for a way to tool you, give them an in

Her: I won't be able to soon :( // Implying that she's on her period soon.
qualifies herself, she is making her pussy scarce, basically just giving you a sign that you can lead with

Personally I think that this method of interacting with her has worked a lot better then previous methods. I've obviously managed to put the seed of thought into her head that currently she is not the only girl I have at the moment so I'm not "majorly distraught" when she isn't available for sex.

What do you think/thoughts on improvement. Also where to go from here? should I leave her to chase me or would the standard PUA do a complete reopen.

I'm going to some bonfire with some girls tonight, should I DHV myself some more or should I jump on this girl before the period week OR use the period week to build even more ST.
the key is doing what you want, but this conversation seems an improvement in how eager you are from the previous, you can still hang out and bang that girl, just don't fall into her you're my little entertainer that I fuck with frame, and you're all good, keep other girls on the line so she's not all that important, and you should be able to just keep her in the loop naturally by being normal and paying attention


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Excellent thread OP! Please keep updating, also awesome analysis Pumpington - best way to learn some of the qualification/investment concepts is through real-life examples

I have to say - this girl sounds like she could have been a very good PUA!


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Next time before calling a girl that wants to fuck you make sure you are in a good mood


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Excellent thread OP! Please keep updating, also awesome analysis Pumpington - best way to learn some of the qualification/investment concepts is through real-life examples

I have to say - this girl sounds like she could have been a very good PUA!
Cheers man, I agree with the second statement. This ain't no normal chick, she clearly knows how to game but the weird thing is that her game has increased the more times I've fucked her. I fucked her a couple times before summer then didn't see her for 3 months, over those months I got "I want to fuck you, can't wait to jump on you when we get back" we got back, she jumped on me. Awesome fuck, the 2nd time she cried afterwards for some reason, then refused to tell me why so i froze her out for half an hour so she decided to stay and we had sex again. Then had sex with her a couple more times, all times she fully initiated, came over, got fucked then left.

She's massively DHV'ed me in the past, whenever she's near me especially after sex she'l be massively praising the size of my knob. Hell after half an hour one time she posted on my facebook wall "I think your single because your cock is fucking massive"

Obviously I know she's fucking other cocks so probably feeding them the same lines its just odd to encounter this level of game from her. It started a couple weeks ago around her birthday, members on here just told me she's trying to be sexual so just respond with more sexuality. When I did that she went all "I want you but come to me/no" she basically loves the resistance i think.

However she loves being dominated so maybe she's just a weirdo anyway gonna leave it till tomorrow and text her some reopener, probably a dream routine.


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Proper update:

*2 days later after that night, I've been busy but decided to reopen*

Tuesday:

Me: Morning, You were privileged to be in a dream of mine.

Her: haha what sort of dream was it?

Me: Oh it was dirty.

Her: Lol what happened?

Me: It was raining, mud everywhere. Dirty shit!

Her: PHWOAR!!! lol tomorrow were seeing each other. // leading.

Me: If your lucky il show you how dirty it got.

Wednesday:

Her: :( hahaha // what?

(As a note, I was in a bad mood when I woke up so my game goes all out of wack after this point, random shit)

Me: I have an idea.

Her: What is it?

Me: Everytime you short chat me you steal me a drink // callback humor to when I first met her.

Her: Short chat? // didn't even know what that meant.

Me: You're either being smart or a total bimbo :)

Her: shut up lol I'M BORED // Trying to pull me into that fucking frame again.

Me: awh again! how bored? // negish/question.

So tired of this ENTERTAIN ME frame.


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why don't you just call her instead of texting and just set up logistics?


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