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I dunno, the most prolific pua's out there are big self-promoters. Ever heard of Mystery??? All of the mpua's have systems and websites and youtube videos now. Even the one's who post on here have sig line links to their sites. It doesn't mean they don't know their shit, because most of them are quite good at what they do.

I haven't found many people on hear talking out of their ass that don't know what they are talking about. True, there are some braggarts, but that's true anywhere. And what do you expect out of alpha personalities, they are going to boast and brag about their exploits.

I was thinking recently about the aggressive guys who always threaten and intimidate and talk about how tough they are. I realized they are just insecure, probably because they were beaten as children or got their asses kicked at some point. I've never had to be like that because I am confident that I can defend myself and I say whatever I want to people, knowing that the most they'll ever do is talk a mess of shit otherwise get arrested for attacking me, or worse, become mamed or killed when I defend myself. Insecurity stems from a need to fill a void in your life. People who brag may not be making things up, but they are trying to overcompensate and fill in the emptiness in their lives.
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best piece of PU advice I've been given:

If you wanna get good, stay off forums.

I think most of us see the reasons why this is true.


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I dunno, the most prolific pua's out there are big self-promoters. Ever heard of Mystery??? All of the mpua's have systems and websites and youtube videos now. Even the one's who post on here have sig line links to their sites. It doesn't mean they don't know their shit, because most of them are quite good at what they do.

I haven't found many people on hear talking out of their ass that don't know what they are talking about. True, there are some braggarts, but that's true anywhere. And what do you expect out of alpha personalities, they are going to boast and brag about their exploits.

I was thinking recently about the aggressive guys who always threaten and intimidate and talk about how tough they are. I realized they are just insecure, probably because they were beaten as children or got their asses kicked at some point. I've never had to be like that because I am confident that I can defend myself and I say whatever I want to people, knowing that the most they'll ever do is talk a mess of shit otherwise get arrested for attacking me, or worse, become mamed or killed when I defend myself. Insecurity stems from a need to fill a void in your life. People who brag may not be making things up, but they are trying to overcompensate and fill in the emptiness in their lives.
Concerning Mystery.

Yes he promotes his stuff, of course he does, ho got rich doing this. If there is money involved, anyone will brag about whatever.
Now we can discuss, is he a good PUA or not? I think he is a great PUA as far as PUAs go. At least the first generation, he got the girl and he did it consistently. Nowadays, there is a new generation of PUAs and they are more focused on changing their lives to be able to become better human beings as well as PUAs. We have understood that the way to be "successful" is to appear as a high value male. And what better way to appear as a high-value male than to be a high-value male?
So we are turning ourselves into awesome people and let that shine through. It works, that is inner game for you.

So what is the difference between that and Mystery? Not as much as you may think. He promotes a lot of stuff but is he himself using it? Not really, he doesnt need to anymore. He started out pretending to be a celebrity, people bought that and now he is a celebrity, it is not an act anymore.
He is promoting the techniques that made him crawl up out of that hole he was in when he was young and out into the real world. But really, is he bragging? No he isnt.
In all of the interviews and material I have seen with him, he seems to be a great guy, intelligent, sympathetic, caring and humble. He never gets into a fight about who is the best. He says that he knows something that others dont because it is true. He states the obvious, the people he is talking to have chosen to have him as a teacher and of course he knows more than them.

If you are a man at level 5 and talk like a man on level 8, you are annoying. If you are a man on level 8 and talk like a man of level 5, you are strange. If you are a man on level 9 and talk like a man of level 10, that is less annoying, just expected. If you are a man of level 10 and talk like a man of level 9, you are modest. But if you are on level 3 and talk like if you were on level 10, people are gonna hate you. This is true for real life as well as the forum.

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I sometimes use examples of success with some kind of approaches. I hope you guys don't mind that because I just want to show what worked for me.
If no one were to use their examples of success, we would never progress.

When I am on the forum, I spend as much time exploring as I do helping. Seeing others solutions to problems often inspires me to try something new and improve my own game.

The ones he is aiming at with this post is the ones that makes posts to enhance their self-esteem by getting feedback, not the ones who are genuinely trying to help. I'm not claiming to be a mind reader though, but that's my perception of the post.

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I would say that people who advertise themselves the most are the ones that know the least.
Mostly yes, but there seems to be some confusion between desire, goal, and strategy.

There's really nothing wrong with advertising. A poster brought up the business habits of commercial pu guys. If you're running a service without promoting it, you're going to fail. So their desire is to succeed with their business. Their goal for their advertising to is to convince others of their abilities. The methods are various but most that I have seen focus much less on their own accomplishments and instead focus on how their former and potential students benefit from services rendered.

The topic I raised is a bit different from ^this. What is the goal of the puaf retard monkey? What is the desire? When anybody shouts to an anonymous online forum that he is an "alpha". . . what is that really? And when many members remind these folks that "you are a retard" and they come back to do the same act over, over, and over again . . . what do you think drives him? Desire for respect? Popularity? Success? It can't be any of these things because there's immediate feedback from all those around him telling him over, over, and over again that he's behaving like a retard. Thus the only logical conclusion is that the guy is a retard, he works hard at being a retard, and loves being treated like one.

There's a bit of ^this in all of us. When you don't meet expectations at work, school, social life, etc. . . it's easy to toss out the ol' "It is what it is" . . ."bad luck". . . "other people just don't get it". Every now and then, we need to look in the mirror.
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These behaviours are not meant to bring a guy from average to pro, they are meant to bring a way below average person up to the bare minimum.
Absolutely disagree. These behaviors are merely demonstrations of stunted development. They're not merely going the wrong way, they're sprinting. Written communication is much easier to control than verbal communication as we have time on our side. We can think and revise what we share with others. Those who cannot help but to portray themselves as retards through written language will absolutely have difficulty with portraying themselves as anything else but that in real life.

*Again, if this was a fantasy baseball forum, I wouldn't give a shit. However, this is a place where we discuss 'social awareness'.


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Good news! This thread has received attention from some of the members who regularly practice:

"I am alpha, I am pua, I like vagina, I get vagina, I am gangnam style, I am pony master, I am pigeon keeper, I am pokemen, I am alpha, I like alphabet soup too, I am lady man, I am dancer, watch me, watch me, watch me."

Since you are reading this thread, could you please let the World know what goes on in your mind as you write this stuff? Are you focused on sentence structure? Is it strategy? What are you trying to achieve?

*In the past, I have pm'd a few of these individuals and all I have ever received in return was more of the:

"I am alpha, I am pua, I like vagina, I get vagina, I am gangnam style, I am pony master, I am pigeon keeper, I am pokemen, I am alpha, I like alphabet soup too, I am lady man, I am dancer, watch me, watch me, watch me."


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best piece of PU advice I've been given:

If you wanna get good, stay off forums.

I think most of us see the reasons why this is true.

^ that! Or find out were the good seducers have gone.Other than that use critical thinking, and choose the right person to follow for your particular goals instead of listening to the loud voices and titles...Do you!

@kasabi, just like the traits you mention in the original post :
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This is a forum of mostly anonymous people who share ideas for pick-up. Most of us don't know each other. This is not your hood filled with 17 year old pimple faced assholes you've been trying to impress. Writing in this forum that:

1. You are alpha.
2. You slept with XXX women.
3. You are this and you are that. You did this and you did that last night to somebody's mother.
4. You are a pick up guru, teaching your boys how to pick up.
5. Etc, etc. . .

^You are telling other members of the forum that you are socially inept. You do not understand that this is an anonymous forum. Nobody gives a shit. You are telling us that you are a retard.

I want to add that telling other members:

1.- X is a retard.
2.- X is trying to impress
3.- X is trying to be a pick up guru
4.- Do not listen to X
5.- X is constantly on my thoughts and i am obsess with him.

^You are telling other members of the forum that you are socially inept. You do not understand that this is an anonymous forum. Nobody gives a shit.

Other than that this is for the most part a good thread, could have been and excellent post if you did not have to engage in the silly indirect attacks to your cyber (enemy), but as you said maybe that was not your intention... I think you are a brilliant mind and a good contributor, to this day i just don't get your obsession to call people names and attacking, there are better ways to achieve this goal and make the people you are targeting look bad without engaging into tactics that make YOU look really bad.



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This is a forum of mostly anonymous people who share ideas for pick-up. Most of us don't know each other. This is not your hood filled with 17 year old pimple faced assholes you've been trying to impress. Writing in this forum that:

1. You are alpha.
2. You slept with XXX women.
3. You are this and you are that. You did this and you did that last night to somebody's mother.
4. You are a pick up guru, teaching your boys how to pick up.
5. Etc, etc. . .

^You are telling other members of the forum that you are socially inetp. You do not understand that this is an anonymous forum. Nobody gives a shit. You are telling us that you are a retard. If you missed the opportunity to ride your bike with no hands and yell at to your proud mama, "Look at me! Look at me! No hands!" then that time has gone. To come here and virtual scream the above 1 though 5 to people who don't give a rat's ass is to tell us that you are you really, really, really need attention but due to the very habit that you are expressing above, you are a miserable loner.

There's a 40 year old lying asshole who joined this forum few months ago and all he did in 50 pages of absolute nonsense was repeat 1 though 5 over, over, and over again. Yes, I picked on him for being a retard. Those of you who have a habit for this already know the consequences in your real life. People do not like you. They treat you as if you're a retard. But you shout in your mirror that you're alpha, that you're the man, that you do this, you do that. . . but reality doesn't change.

If you act like a retard, you will be treated like one. If you act like a decent fellow, you will be treated like one. If you act like a gentleman, you will be treated like one. THINKING this way or that. . . well, how do you suppose people will know what the hell you're thinking?

Any habit, good or bad, can change this very moment. But first. . . you'll have to accept some realities. . .

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Been off this site for a couple months working on myself hard,
What are you trying to accomplish by working on yourself? It is a pet peeve of mine to hear people say they are working on themselves. You can change yourself for all eternity, but achievement that's where its at...
Haha, although what the guy after this had a good point, what I meant was I was working on my financial status and education including all that good stuff.

I am still in uni and just started my own business trying to run it smoothly before it can ride on its own. I was also taking time off to reconnect with myself, started doing things that I enjoyed, playing soccer, going to gym, and of course meeting more woman and that.

I like your quote, my achievements I was aiming to get was into a different school, I have now, a more steady business, I am on the verge of this, and understanding my long term goals, I think I am working on this still and always will be.

But yea... you bring up a good point, but you have to understand that its healthy sometimes to get away from somethings and work on others.

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To add;

There's a huge difference between being a petty, attention seeking, trying-to-validate yourself contributor and a intriguing, credential reassuring, contributor.

The one who screams: "Look at me, I can fly, I can talk to this girl. Stop looking at your phone, I am the best! The greatest! Look, I just touched my nose with my tongue! Yippeee. You suck. Listen to me, YOLO guy! Just get drunk and slap that chicks ass. Works for me all the time because I can touch my nose with my tongue! I also had sex with your mom!"
Or: "I'm slept with 30 chicks this month. Obviously I am better than you. Just slap her ass, unzip your fly and you have a SNL. Btw, I also banged this blonde who was a model."

Vs.

The one who: "Look, I've tried this and I've managed to become succesful with it. Yes, I agree this part of your game is excellent but if you incorporate this aspect, it'll be better. Why? I've tried it, I've been able to use it sucessfully. I believe it will work for you."
or: "I tried this on a hot blonde this past weekend. It worked, I was able to incorporate so and so, this part of my game, and I had a great time. We ended up at my hotel, banged like horses and it was fun. I definatly recommend trying this out."


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I guess my perspective has changed over the years of seeing the same repeat behavior Kasabi describes. Most of my friends are naturals and I know of a few who would act like the described method above. It normally doesn't hurt, even helps in night game environment, their success with women in the short term. The results always show up in relationships that last over a time span and the way they interact with their social circle.
Are you sure about ^this? So you are suggesting that some of your friends do the "I am, I am, I am." - and the people around him, girls, guys, everybody tells him, "You are a retard. Chill out." and he does the same act over, over, and over again and he goes home with the hot chick of the group? Possibly a worried sister might extract him out of there but even an understanding girlfriend would ditch him out of embarrassment.



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There's really nothing wrong with advertising. A poster brought up the business habits of commercial pu guys. If you're running a service without promoting it, you're going to fail. So their desire is to succeed with their business. Their goal for their advertising to is to convince others of their abilities. The methods are various but most that I have seen focus much less on their own accomplishments and instead focus on how their former and potential students benefit from services rendered.
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It's hard to convince people who have success with what they are doing is 'wrong', since they often attribute these repulsive behaviors to their success.
You'd have to define "Success" I suppose. . . Circus geeks who eat shit for a living get dates too. . .
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I think there is a lot to learn from the 'retards'.
Are you humoring the forum? I am curious. . . other than teaching the forum how NOT to behave, please name a few things we have to learn from the repetitiveness of their repulsive behavior. How to get rid of clingy girls? How to get laid off with incentives and or a pension?
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I just think the thing that makes them retards is they forget they still have a lot to learn as well.
Forget 'learning' or even 'pua'. These guys need to figure out how they will feed themselves after their grunt work skills wear off.


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@Skills,

I realize that you are sexaddict's biggest fanboy and you mean well by trying to protect your bro . . . but listen. . .

Three posters recently went on a sexaddict like retarded rant. So I thought I'd write up a post to see if could nudge them to curb this habit. As I was writing the initial post of this thread, I came to realize that these three members combined are not as retarded as your guru, who wasted the forum's database by repeating the same retarded message over, over, and over again through 50 pages mind numbing display of idiocy. So I chuckled a bit and didn't feel like mentioning his name. Why do you insist on putting this guy on the moron pedestal for us to laugh at... in a thread that has very little to do with him? I thought you liked the guy?

I understand that you're more emotional than rational, more street smart that intellectual, but I beg you, if you do not have anything to add to this thread, stop. I know you mean well. . . this is why I am not cutting you out a new asshole with a reply to your last nonsensical reply.

I know you think you are well versed in these things but for the sake of "saving your own face" here and in your real life, consider researching on wiki:

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To add;

There's a huge difference between being a petty, attention seeking, trying-to-validate yourself contributor and a intriguing, credential reassuring, contributor.

The one who screams: "Look at me, I can fly, I can talk to this girl. Stop looking at your phone, I am the best! The greatest! Look, I just touched my nose with my tongue! Yippeee. You suck. Listen to me, YOLO guy! Just get drunk and slap that chicks ass. Works for me all the time because I can touch my nose with my tongue! I also had sex with your mom!"
Or: "I'm slept with 30 chicks this month. Obviously I am better than you. Just slap her ass, unzip your fly and you have a SNL. Btw, I also banged this blonde who was a model."

Vs.

The one who: "Look, I've tried this and I've managed to become succesful with it. Yes, I agree this part of your game is excellent but if you incorporate this aspect, it'll be better. Why? I've tried it, I've been able to use it sucessfully. I believe it will work for you."
or: "I tried this on a hot blonde this past weekend. It worked, I was able to incorporate so and so, this part of my game, and I had a great time. We ended up at my hotel, banged like horses and it was fun. I definatly recommend trying this out."


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I realize that you are sexaddict's biggest fanboy and you mean well by trying to protect your bro . . . but listen. . .
i am skills biggest fanboy....
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Three posters recently went on a sexaddict like retarded rant. So I thought I'd write up a post to see if could nudge them to curb this habit. As I was writing the initial post of this thread, I came to realize that these three members combined are not as retarded as your guru, who wasted the forum's database by repeating the same retarded message over, over, and over again through 50 pages mind numbing display of idiocy. So I chuckled a bit and didn't feel like mentioning his name. Why do you insist on putting this guy on the moron pedestal for us to laugh at... in a thread that has very little to do with him? I thought you liked the guy?
If you read my first answer, i told you out of the 3 there was one(who i care for, the other 1 who keep posting stupid shit is a troll which i already see is trolling in this thread as well). i pm the same stuff you were saying about 4 times in different occasions, there was not need to bring them up that was my point.
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I understand that you're more emotional than rational, more street smart that intellectual, but I beg you, if you do not have anything to add to this thread, stop. I know you mean well. . . this is why I am not cutting you out a new asshole with a reply to your last nonsensical reply.
I can take the heat, i am used to it, if someone can not take heat in a stupid ass forum, how can they take all the shit that constantly happens in the Field... I was trying to help you by telling you that there was no need to throw people under the bus to make your point, it is not an attractive quality. You knew all along what you were doing, i get it.

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I would say that people who advertise themselves the most are the ones that know the least.
Mostly yes, but there seems to be some confusion between desire, goal, and strategy.

There's really nothing wrong with advertising. A poster brought up the business habits of commercial pu guys. If you're running a service without promoting it, you're going to fail. So their desire is to succeed with their business. Their goal for their advertising to is to convince others of their abilities. The methods are various but most that I have seen focus much less on their own accomplishments and instead focus on how their former and potential students benefit from services rendered.

The topic I raised is a bit different from ^this. What is the goal of the puaf retard monkey? What is the desire? When anybody shouts to an anonymous online forum that he is an "alpha". . . what is that really? And when many members remind these folks that "you are a retard" and they come back to do the same act over, over, and over again . . . what do you think drives him? Desire for respect? Popularity? Success? It can't be any of these things because there's immediate feedback from all those around him telling him over, over, and over again that he's behaving like a retard. Thus the only logical conclusion is that the guy is a retard, he works hard at being a retard, and loves being treated like one.

There's a bit of ^this in all of us. When you don't meet expectations at work, school, social life, etc. . . it's easy to toss out the ol' "It is what it is" . . ."bad luck". . . "other people just don't get it". Every now and then, we need to look in the mirror.
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These behaviours are not meant to bring a guy from average to pro, they are meant to bring a way below average person up to the bare minimum.
Absolutely disagree. These behaviors are merely demonstrations of stunted development. They're not merely going the wrong way, they're sprinting. Written communication is much easier to control than verbal communication as we have time on our side. We can think and revise what we share with others. Those who cannot help but to portray themselves as retards through written language will absolutely have difficulty with portraying themselves as anything else but that in real life.

*Again, if this was a fantasy baseball forum, I wouldn't give a shit. However, this is a place where we discuss 'social awareness'.
Well, maybe advertise is the wrong word to use. I didnt mean that in a commercial way but rather in a social way. Maybe I should have said bragging.

I see what you mean about sprinting in the wrong direction. What I meant was that these behaviours may be something people use when they are so far below the "normal" level that they just cant take action. Maybe these behaviours can get them up to a level where they can start doing stuff for real.
I see it a bit like antidepressants. They wont solve anything but they may get you up to a level where you can start working on yourself. Its just to get you out of that "Im so bad paralysis".

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