So, last night I decided to go out and do a bit of research by sarging girls- first hand. I’m usually a pivot who opens sets for guys, so this was a big step in my research. I brought along a friend of mine (who happens to be a Lesbian) to wing me and give me some tips.

We start at a popular lesbian bar in the Village, and I get really really nervous. Super social anxiety nervous, which is bizarre because I’m like a fucking cheetah when I’m winging with men. I digress.

I spot a 3 Set (a HB6.5, a HB8 and a Janet Reno.) I set target on the HB8. I open, hook, and N-close without having to do practically anything. I didn’t even need my wing. This same situation happens a few times, and I decide lesbians are fucking easy.

I need to challenge myself, so we go to a “straight” bar. A really nice one. I’m looking for a girl with a boyfriend, because the night has been a waste so far. Bingo. HB9 holding hands with a guy. I open with my Southern girl standard, pull a few routines I’ve either created or stolen, call my wing in after the hook, isolate the girl after ignoring her for a bit.

Reluctant IOI’s. Some kino. I know she’s having a great time, but I’m not sure if I’m going to close this one. I escalate. I break into the point of no return. She says that she likes the way I smell; she’s playing with her hair. Definite IOI. I run my own perfume routine I made up on the spot:

Her: You smell really good.
Me: Thank you. (leaning in to smell her) Are you wearing cologne?
Her: NO, that’s for men. I smell really feminine, you have to be kidding! (playing with her hair.)
Me: Well, maybe you put it on in the wrong spots. You know, you have to specifically put perfume on in places where it will enhance your pheromones, not distort them. (Taking her hand) the best spots are on the inside of your wrist, the inside of your elbow (I’m kinoing her each place that I talk about,) the little dip in your collar bone, right behind your ear (by this point, I’m whispering in her ear and she’s panting,) or right under your jaw…

BAM K close. I didn't even get through what I wanted to improvise.

Conclusion: Though this night was somewhat educational and mostly lame, I think the best experience I can get is by going out and winging with some real PUA's, not AFC's (my usual fare.) What do y'all think?

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Awesome Zip, sounds like you really got it down!

nice lines my brother. that was perfectly executed. ill try that one out sometime if i get the chance.

Damn Zip!

Thats dedication right there... Your K-close routine reminds me of Styles "Phase Change" routine... where you talk about animal instincts... and work from smelling to bitting to kissing.

All in all it sounds like you did quite well... Your lesbian bar experience probably seemed like a waste because of the choice element... The girls there would probably already choose you, so you having the choice was natural and didn't require work, as it did with a girl who isn't lesbian.

I agree that it will be hard to simulate the type of resistance a male gets when cold approaching women... since most guys would react with a "Whoa! Thats hot!" type of attitude if an attractive women kisses there girlfriend... and the girl knows she has little risk... vs. say if I were to switch places with you, she has much more risk due to the fact that if she gets caught it's very likely her boyfriend will be extremely upset.

Good job Zip!

Ok, besides Zip and myself, did anyone else find this post sexually stimulating?

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Uuuh, yeah, me too. Kinda reminds me of a video that I recently watched...lol

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Veeery nice! I`m impressed. Escalating with straight HB9 in a way you did, starting with cologne neg and continuing with kino on erogen zones (some of which are not so famous but are still very sensitive to touches) is simply great.

Considering you are woman, it was a little bit easier cause you didn`t have big obstacle in her bf and you sneaked under the radar, but anway, hands down, great pick up!

Marco

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hey zip would that cologne vs perfume neg routine work for a guy running it?

or would it come off as weird that the guy is telling the HB how to wear her perfume

P.S. great post as usual

cheers

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Thanks Ace,

Hell, I think it would work. Just make sure you're not creepy about it.

And screw it, who cares if it doesn't work for a guy? Field test it and let me know how it goes.

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Nice zip. What did the boyfriend think?

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"Life is short, when its done u cant start over"

hers or mine? lol?

I didn't really care. My wing had her bf pretty much taken care of, so I don't think he noticed or even cared that a girl ran off with his girl. I doubt he suspected a thing.

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Actually, reading it, and having an entire post somewhere on smells, that neg could work both ways. (I had a business proposition with Tommy Hilfiger that got shut down the last second, so I know a thing or two about scents).

You can turn the neg into a DHV because if she responds with "NOOO way I'm not a man, I'm not wearing cologne."

You keep flirting, doing your thing, and then slightly DLV her and tease her more by saying, "Wellll, now you're a very un-cultured 'man'."

[I'm working on learning NLP and I think this statement you should go into has some properties that work]

"Perfume and cologne have nothing to do with sexual (slyly over-emphasizing 'sexual') orientation or gender. The human sense of smell works very similar to sense of touch (touch her hand or anywhere else not creepy, starting lightly and then applying more pressure). You see, something simple like my finger, very powerful, yet delicate, could could go into your skin either slow, or fast, hard, or soft. Smell works in the same way our hands are touching each other."

(You are kinoing, DHVing, DLVing, phase shifting, and a bunch of other things right now. She's getting turned on if you're doing it right.)

"The human nose (softly touch her nose) picks up smells, the same way. There are different notes processed by our brain. Citrusy, like a glowing orange, sweet like a cloud of cotton candy, grainy like hardwood or bark (shes thinking of your penis right now, in which case you can neg her on it and tell her to get her mind out of the gutter, or phase shift, use it however according to your situation)...."

ANNNNDDDD adjust accordingly, because if you use someone else's material all the time without applying your own knowledge and experience to it, life becomes useless. Just make sure you come full circle at some point by mentioning that some notes last longer than others, and the time of distillation is the difference between a strong smell (perfume) and a less pungent one (cologne).

woah nice cologne routine/evolution phase shift combo

haha this is like a video game or something

wow that's a good one im order for me to feel comfortable about doing a routine like this i'd have to do more reasearch on perfumes, colognes and scents. this PUA training is like going to college always on a quest for knowledge and doing research to make you sound smarter and more genuine.

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