Absolutely.

Using any of the above in a genuine and sincere manner would surely be interpreted as a compliment to the majority of women - I don't do a lot of day game, but I've never had a compliment backfire badly on me yet, worst they can really do (social compliance - not to cause a huge scene) is she will just walk away (to that end, you do not pursue them otherwise it could be seen as harassment) - If you open in day game you should be planted to the spot until the interaction is over unless you both agree to move on or you bounce to go grab a coffee or whatever.

Women put in a lot of effort into their appearance, even if its to do a few errands or to go grab a fresh pint of milk - They want to be noticed but at the same time she does not need to feel threatened or seen as some kind of object.

That feeds back into the whole 'women want to be swept off their feet' scenario - otherwise why would they go through all that effort? If it was to deter advances they'd dress down to become less attractive if they didn't want the attention.

In my personal option I believe they do seek that attention, but it’s to be administered to them in a far less aggressive way, the end result is it should be an enjoyable and comfortable experience for both parties.

To come back on topic, I feel the AO has no practical use in daygame, even if there was one scenario, which I'm not aware of I doubt I'd want to experiment with it.

I suppose the Apocalypse could be adapted for daygame by making the end line

"would you like to have coffee with me?" Most daygame approaches are in places like malls and urban areas so you can extract your HB into a coffee shop within two minutes. Once inside you would probably have your HB at the counter with you as if you went yourself and she sat down she might change her mind and leave.

This is the type of approach that women would like to tell their friends about the "being swept of her feet by a stranger" so I think it would go well. Buy the biggest coffees too, gives you more time to escalate.

Two additions that I'd like to add here:

1) Even if the girl says no after the opener, I think it'd be easy to salvage by making it look like she just jumped through a hoop for you. Example:

PUA: Would you like to come home with me?
HB: No, I don't even know you
PUA: Well congratulations! You passed the first test. No one ever got anything worthwhile the easy way/I'm not attracted to girls that give it up easily anyway/etc.

Be sure to deliver the line with a sparkle in your eye and your mouth agape like you are actually pleased that she said no.

2) Someone said something on the third page about having to awkwardly ask for her name, but I've been in a situation like that before and this is how I handled it:

-Don't ask for her name if she's already going home with you until after the sex. It'll trigger a mental note that signifies to her that she's about to sleep with someone who's name she doesn't even know.

-After the sex, straddle her, look her dead in the eye, and say in your smoothest voice, "Well hello, My name is ____, it's a pleasure to meet you" with a one-eyebrow-up-suave-looking-face while you say it, this will make it less awkward and she will begin laughing.


Those are my two cents on this opener.

Tried it..went up to a lone hb and whispered in her ears "Hey I can fuck you so hard tonight." She was surprised but smiles and said "I can't believe you just said that..whats your name?" So I continue "J....Do you want to come back to my place?" But then she replies no.

Was there any potential there? What could I have done differently?

In a personal opinion, I'd say there was potential there, you dropped your line and she was in shock (she respected your confidence at this point), it wasn't an outright "NO" until you asked her a second time, so I think asking her twice made her rationalise the scenario she was in and triggered her anti-slut defence.

Its hard to advise without seeing it first hand but perhaps you should of held her gaze a few seconds longer with no reply (to see if she woul submit first) then if just to answer her question with another question "why do I need a name...?".

Again going back to when she answered "NO", your response should be cool, calmed and collected "OK", then just continue a normal convo, she still may reconsider during that time as it can take her a few minutes to respond to her emotions rather than her logic.

What was your response to her including conscious/subconscious reaction(s) after she rejected the offer? It maybe how you followed up her rejection, which may be a key element here.

I'm fairly new to the AO in field so I've never had that happen yet, so I'd also be interested to hear from someone more experienced how they'd of handled it.

I am not doubting this technique as I never tried it myself and never will. Some of my friends did use something similar from what I can recall and they pulled it quite nicely.
However this sounds to me like a last resort when your whole night was merely shite. So, lets say its 5am and you havent pulled anything yet. Now there you are strolling confidently in the middle of a half-emtpy club looking for girls who "might" make good targets. Am I right ?

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I think you came in too hard too early. The opening principle of the Apocalypse is the "yes set" Basically you first ask her "Hi are you having a good night tonight?" You've gone in soft and identified yourself as a normal guy. Hopefully she will say "yes" this sets the precedent for the future "yes"

[ if there are any NLP guys reading this then this is when you anchor, Trigger anchor again 2 seconds after final question]

Then you ask "what are you doing later?" This indicates interest on your part and future paces the girls reality. The girl at this point is calculating if you fit into that future. She replies then you totally flip the frame with "would you like to come home with me?" The confusion at such a frame reversal creates an unconscious response and the silence afterwards exacerbates it. You're now dealing with the girls unconscious sexual drives unmediated by her (pre-frontal cortex)ASD. If she wants sex then she will say yes.

Well after I told her my name, she actually asked me where I live. I answered her and asked her if she's a student as well. She says yes she studies but she cannot believe that I'm a student. I don't know how to react so I remain unreactive and I persist "Do you want to come back to my place?" At this point she's still smiling and says no.

At this point I figured I lost her so I asked her "has anyone ever spoken to you like this before" and she laughs and says "never." So I say goodnight and bail.

I once read that 'i can fuck you so hard tonight' opener in someone's journal so I thought I'd give it a go. Is shock and awe the same as Apocalypse?

To me it sounded like she was interested in you but she wasn't willing to go through with a SNL (at least initially), she may have just been a little shy or unprepared, as she seemed to ask you 'interview questions' (what's your name? where you from? etc.) so even that she said NO initially, that is the reason to progress with a normal conversation about anything.

The smile could be an indicator to potentially two things, she was impressed by your confidence or was it a barrier and she was being friendly, I’d like to go with the latter (she never freaked out at you, so it can only be a good thing).

Even though you might have been unable to get the f-close, the number close probably would be a breeze from here in comparison, if she gives you her number she is more than aware of your intentions.

That’s just my two cents, but I would love to hear from the other guys what their thoughts are on this.

Personally I wouldn't have asked "Do you want to come home with me tonight?" a second time. Once you had asked the first time then the frame of you two having a SNL was unspoken implicit and there till she decided yes or no. By asking again the unconscious seeding was analysed by her conscious ASD defence and rejected on autopilot. People like to be consistent with their previous actions so once the second "no" was on the table that was it (for that night at least) I agree with hammerofdawn in that the fact that she was still interested in you fully knowing your frame was a sexual one was a very strong IOI. If you hadn't asked the second time and just flowed into some normal routines ( with an empasis on "instant chemistry" and her being "swept off her feet") then having the Apocalypse reply in the psychological background probably would have been enough to barrel through to you performing your manly duty

I used it on a girl that had stopped at the bar/grill that closes at 10...she got there at 9:30 I dropped the line...waited til she said, "sure" that seemed half joking. Continued with normal banter. When they flipped the closed sign, I paid my tab, she did the same and followed me to my truck.

She's been an on/off FB since!

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One important question and one point from my side is:

1. What's the level of the girls that say yes?

I see some natural friends of mine being very successful, but hey, the level is pretty low (even thought they don't seem to care or notice).

I would guess that the success rate drops dramaticalyl as you go "up the scale".

Also, on a personal note, I wouldn't use this line with a girl I like physically because I would always think that if she's a good personality match I wouldn't mind something serious starting. And OK, nothing forbids something serious starting after such an approach, but you know what I mean...


2. The lays were not all the times because of the opener

As already said, most of it is pre-screening for girls who look to be up for it.

So, with some of those girls, you could have opened in many different ways, but as long as you escalated after a while, you might have gotten them even with very indirect openers.

Hell, some of them might have jumped on you if you weren't moving quick enough for them .