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Skills so I don't want to argue with you, I have tons of respect for what you do and the work you put here on the forum in helping others, and the work you've put into the book.

But yea, those are things I wrote a year ago, before I even knew you, and already there you can see half of my "system". The fact that you answered me and said "yes good" doesn't mean that you invented it, just that you confirm what I observed myself. It's obvious that two "professionals" will come to the same conclusions.

But more importantly, there is one big difference between our "systems". I remember you wrote some place that you go for the SNL when you CAN but usually you exchange numbers. That's why such a massive part of your book is about text game etc. That's also why you don't do number 7 on my list (which is HUGELY important)

My "system" is designed for SNL only. Period. And the point where this comes in is in the EJECTION.

It's crazy counter intuitive but the EJECTION is the heart of it.

I will literally eject on a 9 who is MAKING OUT WITH ME AND WHO LIKES ME (I have done this MANY TIMES) because she fails to show me other DTF signs. While you would take her to the bar for a chat, and take her number, I simply EJECT, which I think no other man on the planet would do. (you should see the look on their faces... priceless)

I will give up a "makeout with a 9", eject, and will go find another girl - AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME LAID EVERY FUCKING NIGHT.

In this our systems are different, and that's why it can't be that I "copied" it from you. Show me where you say to eject on a girl who is kissing you? No fucking way you said that.

I pulled twice in the last two nights... it makes 6 girls in 9 nights.

I know that when you read this post you thought "hey I'm doing the same thing!!" but believe me, your book is not clear in the steps and the logic behind them, as I wrote them above. You don't explain it clearly... the above short post is more effective than an entire book because it's simple step by step description + the reason behind each step.

There is one more BIG difference between us and it's in the "flirtation dancing" which you don't really talk about. You talk about fun dancing and the "snake", sexual dancing.

What I'm doing, in terms of dance floor seduction, is on a whole different level I think. In the two hours I dance with a girl, I have an entire relationship with her, without saying a single word. That's why I can pull them to my room without talking.

For a girl emotions = communication and I'm giving them so many different emotions while we dance that it equals talking time. We get to know each other without saying a single word.

Again I'm sure that you recognize what I'm saying from your own dance but you don't put this in words and don't explain it. You probably do it too but to a much lesser extent than me.

I don't just look for the IOIs... I look for girls who I'd be able to have this kind of "seduction dance" with and communicate with, while dancing, for an entire night.

Many times I'll start dancing with a girl and I'll be able to see how she changes, in front of my eyes, from just dancing to realizing that my dance is on a different level of communication (which she, as a girl, can understand) and she shifts gears and this level of communication "kicks in". It's like a switch that goes "on".

As soon as I start dancing with a girl I'll look in her eyes, give her a smirk, and then shift gears to this type of dance / communication. Usually if she doesn't get it - I'll eject within a song or sooner, even if she's good looking and dances with me.

I always look at other guys, who don't get it, and who dance with girls who don't get it either, and shake my head... they think they're going to get laid. They won't. And if they do - it's after 3 days of dates, talking, spending time on the beach bla bla bla... I shake my head, make a walk around the venue, find my target and boom - game over.

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Here are videos that show what I'm talking about:

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Cool post. Not my style (sweaty girls on the dance floor with alcohol breath) but a very technical and successful method.

I checked out your blog. Enjoyed it. I would love to read more posts about your financial freedom.

Speaking of which, I need to get my freaking book on Amazon

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Skills so I don't want to argue with you, I have tons of respect for what you do and the work you put here on the forum in helping others, and the work you've put into the book.

But yea, those are things I wrote a year ago, before I even knew you, and already there you can see half of my "system". The fact that you answered me and said "yes good" doesn't mean that you invented it, just that you confirm what I observed myself. It's obvious that two "professionals" will come to the same conclusions.

But more importantly, there is one big difference between our "systems". I remember you wrote some place that you go for the SNL when you CAN but usually you exchange numbers. That's why such a massive part of your book is about text game etc. That's also why you don't do number 7 on my list (which is HUGELY important)

My "system" is designed for SNL only. Period. And the point where this comes in is in the EJECTION.

It's crazy counter intuitive but the EJECTION is the heart of it.

I will literally eject on a 9 who is MAKING OUT WITH ME AND WHO LIKES ME (I have done this MANY TIMES) because she fails to show me other DTF signs. While you would take her to the bar for a chat, and take her number, I simply EJECT, which I think no other man on the planet would do. (you should see the look on their faces... priceless)

I will give up a "makeout with a 9", eject, and will go find another girl - AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME LAID EVERY FUCKING NIGHT.

In this our systems are different, and that's why it can't be that I "copied" it from you. Show me where you say to eject on a girl who is kissing you? No fucking way you said that.

I pulled twice in the last two nights... it makes 6 girls in 9 nights.

I know that when you read this post you thought "hey I'm doing the same thing!!" but believe me, your book is not clear in the steps and the logic behind them, as I wrote them above. You don't explain it clearly... the above short post is more effective than an entire book because it's simple step by step description + the reason behind each step.

There is one more BIG difference between us and it's in the "flirtation dancing" which you don't really talk about. You talk about fun dancing and the "snake", sexual dancing.

What I'm doing, in terms of dance floor seduction, is on a whole different level I think. In the two hours I dance with a girl, I have an entire relationship with her, without saying a single word. That's why I can pull them to my room without talking.

For a girl emotions = communication and I'm giving them so many different emotions while we dance that it equals talking time. We get to know each other without saying a single word.

Again I'm sure that you recognize what I'm saying from your own dance but you don't put this in words and don't explain it. You probably do it too but to a much lesser extent than me.

I don't just look for the IOIs... I look for girls who I'd be able to have this kind of "seduction dance" with and communicate with, while dancing, for an entire night.

Many times I'll start dancing with a girl and I'll be able to see how she changes, in front of my eyes, from just dancing to realizing that my dance is on a different level of communication (which she, as a girl, can understand) and she shifts gears and this level of communication "kicks in". It's like a switch that goes "on".

As soon as I start dancing with a girl I'll look in her eyes, give her a smirk, and then shift gears to this type of dance / communication. Usually if she doesn't get it - I'll eject within a song or sooner, even if she's good looking and dances with me.

I always look at other guys, who don't get it, and who dance with girls who don't get it either, and shake my head... they think they're going to get laid. They won't. And if they do - it's after 3 days of dates, talking, spending time on the beach bla bla bla... I shake my head, make a walk around the venue, find my target and boom - game over.

^ lol! you complain about my book, and then you identically copy a bad water down version of my shit, with NO EXPLANATIONS BEHIND IT, dude, it is a book, with clear examples of all the shit you just described and videos, your opinion is IRRELEVANT, since i have your pms, people can do a search on your dance game and my dance game, you are a newer version of tyler durden, trying to steal mystery shit, even from the name, dude, i will break down your stuff, already someone that follow my stuff expose you...But again, it may just be a coincidence...You just happen to discover this system 2 days ago, the timing is beautiful of something i have been doing 20 years, and your criticism of the book, is bias since you want to write a book about the subject, AND YOU JUST POSTED MY SYSTEM, in a horrible water down and not to effective version, dude get over it, whoever has doubts just do a search, you forgot that you pm a video of your dancefloor game, you know that i have been reading your blog. You know that your real game is that weak shit on the bycicle dude, quit already, your opinion is irrelevant, you are a rich kid, traveling all over the world, dude just by you being a foreigner gives you and advantage(you are a dtf guy in women eye since they do not have to worry about reputation)... You do not even have the experience dude...Lets argue all you want..

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I bought your book Skills and loved it and I like reading Phagans posts. The point that two different guys, who obviously are clued up with dance floor, game have come up with pretty much the same method in my eyes just validates the core concepts of both. One thing that stands out for relative newbs like me though is that both of you sound like very confident dancers. I'm a sportsman so I'm fairly fit and physically co-ordinated but I cannot dance to save my f u c k i n g life. It seems without being a dancer both these methods are tricky to apply. I'm fine at kino, escalating and testing compliance on the dance floor but dancing for attention and on the opener I'm terrible. Most of my mates are equally poor dancers and I don't think its a good idea learning through dancing with girls because of the masculine/feminine polarity of dancing.

So how the hell do you guys recommend getting good at dancing? The Vids on your youtube channel Skills are really useful, especially for opening but compliance and escalating I'm already pretty comfortable with. Are there any channels you follow for like regular dancing tips?

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I have to agree with skills; i have read his dance game many times. This post looks way too similar.


HEre^ and i will break down this weekend, this post...

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Skills so I don't want to argue with you, I have tons of respect for what you do and the work you put here on the forum in helping others, and the work you've put into the book.
Dude is just after all that work is not cool to see someone posting IDENTICAL SHIT!
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But yea, those are things I wrote a year ago, before I even knew you, and already there you can see half of my "system". The fact that you answered me and said "yes good" doesn't mean that you invented it, just that you confirm what I observed myself. It's obvious that two "professionals" will come to the same conclusions.
Unfortunately you are the FIRST person after 2 years of me reading every blog and every book, that came to my same conclusion..
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But more importantly, there is one big difference between our "systems". I remember you wrote some place that you go for the SNL when you CAN but usually you exchange numbers. That's why such a massive part of your book is about text game etc. That's also why you don't do number 7 on my list (which is HUGELY important)
Dude quote me right, i wrote i do not force single night lays, and not to go for the numbers, numbers do not mean shit, unless heavy physicality,escalation and chemestry, the reason i say not to force snl, is cause you can fuck her later on, and keep getting more girls, specially if is early on the night...
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My "system" is designed for SNL only. Period. And the point where this comes in is in the EJECTION.
I think i took about ejecting about 100 times if escalation not there or increasing since minute 1 to max 15 or about 5 songs.
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It's crazy counter intuitive but the EJECTION is the heart of it.

I will literally eject on a 9 who is MAKING OUT WITH ME AND WHO LIKES ME (I have done this MANY TIMES) because she fails to show me other DTF signs. While you would take her to the bar for a chat, and take her number, I simply EJECT, which I think no other man on the planet would do. (you should see the look on their faces... priceless)
I eject on anybody i do not care if is 9 or 10 if escalation not increasing, i clearly state "NO MATTER HOW HOT SHE IS"
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I will give up a "makeout with a 9", eject, and will go find another girl - AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME LAID EVERY FUCKING NIGHT.
^ the rating does not matter is the complience and escalation...
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In this our systems are different, and that's why it can't be that I "copied" it from you. Show me where you say to eject on a girl who is kissing you? No fucking way you said that.

I pulled twice in the last two nights... it makes 6 girls in 9 nights.
Re-read it...
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I know that when you read this post you thought "hey I'm doing the same thing!!" but believe me, your book is not clear in the steps and the logic behind them, as I wrote them above. You don't explain it clearly... the above short post is more effective than an entire book because it's simple step by step description + the reason behind each step.
^ cool story bro, it is clear enough that you copy a water down, weak version

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There is one more BIG difference between us and it's in the "flirtation dancing" which you don't really talk about. You talk about fun dancing and the "snake", sexual dancing.
Dude wtf, you are talking about, stop misquoting me... Pathetic!
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What I'm doing, in terms of dance floor seduction, is on a whole different level I think. In the two hours I dance with a girl, I have an entire relationship with her, without saying a single word. That's why I can pull them to my room without talking.
^ Do a search on skills 360, the other day you pm about a 2 -3 weeks ago that it can not be done, and i told you i do it all the time...
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For a girl emotions = communication and I'm giving them so many different emotions while we dance that it equals talking time. We get to know each other without saying a single word.

^ dude, omg! THAT IS FUCKING DANCE FLOOR GAME, read first page of my website...
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Again I'm sure that you recognize what I'm saying from your own dance but you don't put this in words and don't explain it. You probably do it too but to a much lesser extent than me.
Dude is not rocket science...And i do explain it about 100 times...
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I don't just look for the IOIs... I look for girls who I'd be able to have this kind of "seduction dance" with and communicate with, while dancing, for an entire night.
^ Yes that is the goal...
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Many times I'll start dancing with a girl and I'll be able to see how she changes, in front of my eyes, from just dancing to realizing that my dance is on a different level of communication (which she, as a girl, can understand) and she shifts gears and this level of communication "kicks in". It's like a switch that goes "on".

As soon as I start dancing with a girl I'll look in her eyes, give her a smirk, and then shift gears to this type of dance / communication. Usually if she doesn't get it - I'll eject within a song or sooner, even if she's good looking and dances with me.

I always look at other guys, who don't get it, and who dance with girls who don't get it either, and shake my head... they think they're going to get laid. They won't. And if they do - it's after 3 days of dates, talking, spending time on the beach bla bla bla... I shake my head, make a walk around the venue, find my target and boom - game over.
^ Again dude nice timing, in all your finding, i just gonna manufacture and sell the iphone...

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1) I travel and go out ALONE. No time wasting.
Mistakes guys make at the club:

1.- Hanging out with too many guys: I recommend you hang out with a maximum of one other guy. It is better to be alone as women will be less intimidated and may even approach you (This happens to me all the time). If you are going to the club with a group of guy friends make sure that everyone meets at the club in separate cars. The reason you should do this is when you hook up with an hb and your wing or friends don’t they will pressure you to leave early or take them back killing the chances of taking your target home. Make sure that if you do hang out with a guy or group of guys that have no game or do not project higher value, in some instances they may simultaneously lower your own value in the eyes of your target and her friends, guilt by association. Moreover, when there are too many guys it creeps women out, it looks like a pack of ravenous wolves trying to pray on a rabbit. Generally, I prefer to game alone but sometimes I have a wingman that I meet at the club. However, if he is having an off night, or his value is being lowered by too many mistakes, I will move off and game alone.

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2) I go out at 22:30 and I'll be out until I pull, end up almost pulling
(outside of a girl hotel, or my hotel) or until 5 am. I don't give up.

3) I will go in and out of clubs looking for the right girls to dance with and escalate on. I'll go in a club, will do "my thing" and once I consumed my options, I'll bounce to the next place. I usually don't need more than 3-4 venues. As for what "my thing" is:
Go to amazon.com look at the preview of my book "the kindle one" is stated on my requirements and why, then i took about it again farther in the book....
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4) Once I go inside a club I'll start dancing and let all the girls see me. I'll get closer to the ones I like and will see if they send me an IOI / Approach Invitation. I'll also just walk around and see how girls react to me, girls I don't target myself but who are around me or walk next to me and stop or smile at me, etc.




AS SOON AS I SEE AN IOI / APPROACH INVITATION - I WILL GO IN DANCING.
This is on the book and a video on body language and how to spot dtf, there is also a post i made in the subject here. And Poetic contributes, is about 3 pages, and the video about 15 minutes...
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How I'll go in: If it's a strong IOI like a smile, I'll just go in and start dancing with the girl. If it's a weak IOI and I'm not sure, I'll go in slow... half facing her, will see if she starts to face me or turning to the other side, etc.... I don't always go strong because I don't want to get rejected. If I get rejected - I'll burn myself within the venue too quickly. So you have to be smart in how you do this. Experience is king. You need to go out a lot and do this a lot and then you can start reading girls like open books. I know what they think of me before they do.
It is on the book " The approach" i also made a video call "dance floor openers" ...
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5) Once I'm in with a girl - I'll see how she reacts to me, how much she lets me get close to her, put my hand around her, etc. The more positive her reaction, the more I'll escalate and the faster I'll go. Sometimes the girl is all over me and I'll start making out with her within a minute. Sometimes it takes longer.
This is not only explain multiple times but there is a video with explanations, called complience, escalation and arousal... Which in a month has about 2k views...
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IN ANY CASE - if she doesn't let me kiss her within 10 minutes - I WILL EJECT and look for the next girl. (THIS IS THE KEY RIGHT HERE)

If she lets me kiss her, then I'll stay and escalate further.

If she doesn't let me put my hands on her ass within 20 minutes - I WILL EJECT.

If she doesn't let me put my hands on her tits and rub her nipples within 30 minutes - I WILL EJECT.
This is in the book and videos explain with examples and troubleshooting...
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So by 2 AM - you should be dancing with a girl who in high probability will let you fuck her that night. Some nights I'll dance and eject with 6-7 girls until I'll find the one who is really DTF.

No phone numbers! No dates! Sometimes I'll take a # to eject gracefully or Facebook details to keep in touch - but the point is - only night game and going for the SNL. No bullshit. During the day I have more important shit to do.
^ this is broken down in details in the club dynamic section of the book...
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6) I'm a very good dancer. The dance itself is where you seduce the girl. I wrote about it in length in one of the posts (007 Game - Day IV) but the gist of it is that I'll flirt with them while I dance - turn my back to them, will walk away, let them chase me, then chase them, then will do salsa moves, will play with their hair, will run my fingers on their back and arms... will do all kind of things to drive them crazy / make them horny / etc. Also it goes without saying - move them around the venue and lead them around.
^ it is all over the book, videos and website and most of my posts...
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7) I'LL BUY US DRINKS. When you're already making out with a girl and she lets you grab her ass etc, not only that there is no harm in you buying her drinks, it will increase your chance of banging her by 500% . You want to get the girl almost drunk so she will follow her true wishes which is to fuck with you that night. So after 20-30 minutes of dancing - buy the both of you shots. Then after another 30 min minutes, do it again. Don't ask her what she wants. Pull her to the bar and order two shots of expensive tequila.
^ now this is original, good for you, i never buy women drinks, nor do i plan, this is ORIGINAL from you...
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8) When the time is right (near closing time, or you feel that the girl is right for it) you just pull her out and start walking to the hotel. If you do the above properly - she will not even ask where / why or anything else, she will just follow you.
Since i do not go to hotels, this is discuss in "the possible sex locations when it comes to club game" when i leave with them to my car and all of the possible sex locations, in way more detail, than this...I even mention hotels and say that they are pricey...
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9) Generally - I like to speak the LESS as possible. I like to seduce with my dancing and with my flirtations. I sometimes don't say a SINGLE WORD to the girls until we are already on the way to my hotel.
^ i have gotten into many fights with everybody in the forum and on the chat, and even with "Sexaddict" oh and you too, who question my no talking to minimal talking...Since they say is not possible...

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You guys are overestimating how far dancing can get you. Occasionally, I meet horny girls that want to dance then hook up, but this is a fools fantasy. This method is sporadic at best. It gives the woman too much power. It doesn't involve enough verbal communication, and so if a girl doesn't just wanna hook up ... You ain't warming her up.


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You guys are overestimating how far dancing can get you. Occasionally, I meet horny girls that want to dance then hook up, but this is a fools fantasy. This method is sporadic at best. It gives the woman too much power. It doesn't involve enough verbal communication, and so if a girl doesn't just wanna hook up ... You ain't warming her up.
In a loud dance club verbal game isn't very important.

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I will give up a "makeout with a 9", eject, and will go find another girl - AND THAT'S WHAT GETS ME LAID EVERY FUCKING NIGHT.
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I pulled twice in the last two nights... it makes 6 girls in 9 nights.
Funny thing Phangan, you say you get laid every f*cking night. And yet in the 2nd line you say: 6 girls in 9 nights. Shouldn't it be at least 9 girls in 9 nights?

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You guys are overestimating how far dancing can get you. Occasionally, I meet horny girls that want to dance then hook up, but this is a fools fantasy. This method is sporadic at best. It gives the woman too much power. It doesn't involve enough verbal communication, and so if a girl doesn't just wanna hook up ... You ain't warming her up.
In a loud dance club verbal game isn't very important.
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You guys are overestimating how far dancing can get you. Occasionally, I meet horny girls that want to dance then hook up, but this is a fools fantasy. This method is sporadic at best. It gives the woman too much power. It doesn't involve enough verbal communication, and so if a girl doesn't just wanna hook up ... You ain't warming her up.
In a loud dance club verbal game isn't very important.
Yes it is.
We'll agree to disagree then. :)

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Skills360, stop derailing this thread with advertisements of your book and flames. This is against forum rules. This is being submitted for modstaff review.

Hobbit why are you always so negative dude, nobody is advertising is a discussion, if you think something is advertising point it out and i will delete it, sup with threats dude, get over yourself already, is getting old... If you think i am flaming point it out, and i will delete it as well... Why always picking on sexaddict, warped mindless and me, people that really help dudes here actually get laid...

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In a loud dance club verbal game isn't very important.
Yes it is.
We'll agree to disagree then. :)
Fine. Go bump and grind on random girls and see how far that gets you.


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