So I've had numerous girls craze over me, but I've had only one real relationship. And even that... we never got physical... It's hard to explain... the community I come from is very strict and conservative... but I've had a change of heart and I want to have fun with as many women as possible.

BUT WHERE THE FUCK DO I START?!?!

School starts again in a week... I'm extremely excited to start opening on random women... I hope this leads me somewhere... I'm going to be so bad at this... but it'll be funny lmao... okay... any tips appreciated.

Hey man, im the same way. Im 17, and a senior in highschool, and neither have I. The weird part is, and im guessing you're the same way, Im not even awkward or shy! Its like I always start talkin to chicks, end up getting close to them, then kinda just fall out and not talk with them anymore. It sucks man, just lettin you know that your not the only one. Also, some advice from me, that im taking myself is that you just need to get extremely motivated. I always think of if ill be satisfied when i look back at my life when im older. You gotta work with what you got. Just take it slow if thats what you gotta do, but if you want it you gotta do it.

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Ehhhhhh

Google "how the fuck to escalate by woody haven"
It gives some pua's kino ladder and some examples

To be honest it's in your head, you can kiss a girl you just think you'll get rejected so your to scared to try, even if you don't consciously recognize your doing this
Don't let fear stop you, you know how you have those "I wish I would've done XX" moments when you look back in life, girls will be no exception, you have to let go of fear, if you screw up with a girl move on, I guarantee you there will be another girl and you'll be even more prepared for her

And btw if a girls relationship ends badly - they don't go around telling everyone, so if your scared you'll get a bad rep that rarely actually happens

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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+the+fuck+to+es ... oody+haven

^ This brings no results up :/

I was 19 and never kissed a girl either. Now I'm 20 and kissed numerous girls, and also screwed a few thanks to pickup.

I would recommend three books I always recommend, namely:

The Attraction Code by Vin Dicarlo
60 Years of Challenge
Vin Dicarlos escalation ladder.

Begin with those, then go it and approach girl and begin to have a conversation. Begin with asking for a cool bar, then when you have more courage tell them you came over because you like their style. Then escalate to "I came over because I thought you were cute. Hi."

Then come back with more questions. Good luck!

EXACTLY! I'm 5'8'' (a little short), good looking, I dress nice, and I'm not shy... I wish I discovered pick up earlier in life. :'(

Dude, dont worry about it too much, you have a looooot of time to practice these things and get good at it, the best years of your life are ahead of you, enjoy them. I hadnt kissed a girl until i was 19, but didn't discover pick up until now (im 33). Try to enjoy yourself, dont take rejection to heart and maybe take it one step at a time - e.g. practice openers and mid game until you feel comfortable and then try number closing later down the line

Hey bro, don't worry about it.

Ok i'm 18, and i've kissed 12 different girls in 2 years time. So what? That doesn't make me a ladies' man, or pick-up artist. Even I am still anxious doing cold approaches, cause it's not an easy skill. You gotta put time and dedication in it.

So make sure you put a lot of time in this, and don't expect success very early. Like driving a car, to become good at pick-up, it's takes a lot of time.

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Don't read these books, you become what 90% of what these guys on these forums are... bunch of KJs.

Go out and take action, do whatever you feel like doing, as long as you're having fun. Who gives a shit?

My tips for you, get physical asap after meeting a girl, go for the kiss asap.

You'll learn what works and what doesn't, reading all these books means you lose hours of taking actual action.

Read The Game just to immerse yourself into the lifestyle. It's a quick read.

Out of the books listed above, read 60 YOC and get acquainted with the escalation ladder. Never liked DiCarlo's material so I wouldn't recommend it.

Practical knowledge is more important than theoretical but you need to give information to your subconscious so your intuition would start helping you in the field.

I never had trouble with girls at a younger age (first time sex was in 8th grade) but I always thought pick up is more useful at improving your lifestyle and mindset. It motivates you to build confidence, improve your charisma, style, hygiene, self-presentation, and a chance to network. Once you're motivated enough to at least start improving that (through pick up, the motivation would come from picking up girls), you'll have no trouble attracting women and will know what to do. But for this you have to actually go out and learn from experience.

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18 Body Language Mistakes I Bet You're Making

I come from a similar background where my community is very conservative due to religion. I went to an all male high school, and the girls are all very aversive to being physical.

I ended up hooking up with some girls in dance clubs as it was really my best option. I suggest you do the same. It's not too hard and it will help make you more comfortable with being physical with girls, as well as giving you a confidence booster.

Well at least you got one advantage here, for you first kiss will be a lot more adrenalinic than it would be, if you were say 15

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How my life looks like right now: STUDY HARD, PARTY HARD

Just remember you will be more desireable when your older. A lot of guys I know are different, some are buffed out and "sexy" then some others are just regualar or skinny as a rail. None of these guys have girlfriends, or "real jobs"


When you hit the desirable age 30-40 (when you have money/house) women will be desperate for you.

Yeah game helps but she is looking for a provider/someone to take care of her, and you really reach that when you have a good job and home. The 18-24 year old range is really not desirable for many men unless they have a good job.

This has just been my experience in life. I seen friends try to get women and its not good, no job = no women interested. Most of the time I meet a woman its "whats your job"?

It's best just to experiment and get out there and meet women. Go to all the walmarts, targets, farm freshs, etc.... in your area, go to dine in places, etc.... Find women and just talk to them, meet them and hit on them.


This past month I asked like 4 women out and got all no's, but I am out there trying than sitting at home doing nothing.


Today I even was trying to pick up this one girl, but she had two other friends with her, and I couldn't get them off me. I pulled the "Havn't I seen you somewhere before?".. I think its better to open with an opinion because it draws the converstation deep and deeper, like quick sand.

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It is not AA that scares me or affects me anymore, its leading a conversation forward and keeping her interested. AA is nothing.

Alright gentlemen, thanks for all the comments. School starts in two days... first time I'll be trying any of these openers or routines... I'm excited... Is it weird that I see this as a game? lmao... ironic... huh?

Found that link for ya
http://www.fastseduction.com/cgi-bin/se ... 793#357793
Hope it helps, I personally like it

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