The cold hard truth is that 90% of all men who try cold approach will not get good at it. As a matter of fact, they wont even get decent at it. 5% will become decent at it and the other 5% will become better than decent.

Simple logic will then tell us that cold approach, for most guys is mostly a waste of time. If you want to know if cold approach is worth your time then take the cold approach litmus test. Go approach 350 women. Night, day, twilight, doesn't matter, just approach them. Doesn't matter what your current skill level is either. If you don't get at least a couple dates from those approaches then I'm sorry but cold approach isn't for you.

Instead of wasting your time like everyone else in that 90%, spend all those hours getting good at something that will put you around women. Take salsa classes, learn an instrument and start a band, ect... Basically, think of something that both you and women like. Example, women love guys in a rock band. You can be a looser and still get laid plenty by playing local rock shows. I know several mediocre musicians who get laid tons by playing local rock shows. Get good at something that will give you massive social proof and you will get laid lots.

Does that mean you should never cold approach? No. If you see a cutie go talk to her. However, instead of spending hundreds of hours doing something your not going to get good at, spend those hours on something you can get good at and that will attract women to you at the same time.

However, if you did go approach 350 women and got a few dates then feel free to disregard this post work on cold approach all you want.

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here in lies the problem, 90% don't get good because they don't approach at all, or give up approaching pre-maturely, not because they suck at the act it's self, the process tends to go like this, guy reads pua material, goes out a few times, does a few approaches, doesn't get laid, stops approaching (or never starts approaching to begin with), starts looking for an easier way, such as reading, or asking questions about that ''perfect thing to say'' so he can fuck little jenny from nextdoor... the only girl he knows, good luck getting even 10% of anyone reading this to go do this little excersise, even a 1 approach a day challenge for 1 week will leave a thread with virtually no contributors, and of the ones that do participate, the majority will not be able to complete 7 approaches in a row from day to day, you're looking at most at maybe 10% of the male population who can even attempt to do this (even though, hypothetically all guys have the potential to approach)
if they can do the 350 approachs, they can get better, I don't agree, cold approach is for them, eventually if they have the ability to keep approaching, they will stop wasting time with the 1 minute go no where interactions and challenge themselves, thus eventually become de-sensitized and actually start making improvements
if a guy can't get laid with no social proof, he probably can't get laid with social proof, if a guy can't get laid with average looks, he probably can't get laid with good looks, if a guy can't get laid when he is broke, he probably can't get laid when he is rich, if a guy can't get laid when he is black/indian/asian, he probably couldn't get laid if he was white, if a guy can't get laid when he is balding or short, he probably couldn't get laid if he was tall and had a full head of hair

point being, if a guy is afraid of girls and not getting laid already, he probably has some deeper problems going on then just ''social proof'', the above are just some limiting beliefs that are pretty common, if you can't get laid it's most likely cause you're a huge pussy or have social problems, more so then external factors

this is a good idea, but if a dude is scared to death and can't even step in the ring yet, how do you expect him to go for the K.O. vs Tyson?
if you did go approach 350 women, you should keep approaching until you get better and post your sticking points here

My 2 cents is this.

Getting good at cold approaches is subjective. What you consider good may be a conversion rate of 50% of cold approaches working out. To someone else maybe they only need 2% conversion on cold approaches for them to be happy. No one person is the same or has the same expectations.

So to say don't waste your time cold approaching and do something else to get girls is in my humble opinion inaccurate. Don't get me wrong it all helps, everything you do to become more social and get around more women helps. But you are still going to have to approach cold warm or hot. as a side point as I recall it in "the Game" Styles was a writer and was always surrounded by beautiful women, but despite being in target rich environments he did not get any type of results. It still came down to him having to approach.

What I believe is that cold approaches take time to get some handles on. Not to ever give up, because it may take maybe 700 approaches to get good. Maybe 1000 approaches to get good. And when you really put all that effort into some type of context, you will have found some type of game or angle that works for you. Getting good at it is subjective.

You have your whole life to get it right so don't quit because your not good now. and yes do other things that you're interested in to get more social but there really isn't a need to complicate hobbies with women. May just enjoy your hobbies as they are and let women be a bi-product of it. Not the goal.

Just sharing my opinion brother, I look at it as time pressure and patients. No rejections just lessons learned.

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On one hand you are recommending to just drop an activity (cold approaching), and changing it for some other activity that you can get good at, and also is surrounded by women.

But isn`t it practice that makes perfect?
I mean, what makes you think that whatever other activity I do in my life is going to be easyier for me?

Cold approach, like singing of playing an instrument or doing a sport, it`s just an activity. The more I practice the better I become at it, and I don`t trust those numbers you`ve gave about results; for the exact same reasons pumpington quote you.

There`s a change a lot of guys never gathered the balls to even approach once, there`s a chance a lot of guys got one approach and totally blown out, to never approach again.

Like I said: it`s not going to be easy, but you really think that other activities consume less time of practice?

Whats with your posts? Theyre not consistent.
Its like you change your mind everytime you read some new shit that you heard of.

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I don't know if that's totally true. I've had success with cold approaches many times and in many settings. I had success with it very early too. When I first started doing it I succeeded within the first week.

Its all about value in the end. If a woman is attracted to you or believes you have something to offer her, she will give you her number and reply to your calls and texts. If she sees you as a waste of time, she won't. Simple as that.

Here is an article that sort of covers it:

http://romancecheater.com/offering-valu ... a-pick-up/

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You have to find that happy medium. If you go out sarging all the time and don't end up closing anything, then that's kind of a waste of time, true. But it's not to say that you aren't learning or improving as you do it. However, it may be better to spend half that time doing like the OP said, and put yourself in situations where women essentially come to you, like salsa dancing or whatnot. That way you continue to develop your daygame, but you also get more fruitful interactions with women, and a higher likelihood of closing some numbers and ultimately getting girlfriends.

I can't really buy into the idea that cold approaching is a waste of time for most guys, because you don't need to be a master at it for it to work. If you've never got it to work, that's one thing. But if you close an hb8 or hb9 one percent of the time, that's still worth it in my book. And if you have any amount of game, and you put forth the effort, I think most guys are capable of at least doing that.

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Hey guys i did a post on the subject here:

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I disagree i think his posts are helpful and consistent, one of the few people here that makes sense. The issue is sometimes you read or try things on the field or change your mind about stuff since you grow and evolve. Then you discover things that might work better...And i think this is in response to the dude that made 50k thousand approaches or so... And a bunch of people doing numbers game that are not getting results... Finally the concept of cold approach and numbers game are all over the place... Even 60 yoc contradicts himself in the same page if you look at the link i posted, rsd they all contradict themselves and are all over the place. It would be nice when you guys take a shot, which is alright to challenge people, to post the example... For example wm you said 2+2=4 now 2+2=5, that is inconsistent can you explain why? so if you do not mind can you post the example where wm is inconsistent???... Attacks like this is what makes people stop posting here... cool!

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Numbers game or not, who cares?
I seriously don't give a d*mn shit if this is a numbers game or not. Ok sometimes you have a lot of success and sometimes you have a lot of failures. But that's part of life. Alright so when a person has cancer and only 10% chance to survive. Looks bad, but still 10% is more than enough!

So even if there are so many women out there who aren't DTF, screw them, there are plenty other more. I'm getting sick of the discussion. You shouldn't focus on the numbers, you should focus on your own success, because in the end, that's what it's all about!

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You're quite an emotional one, are ya? and a cute sales person I might say trying to contradict everyone else in the PU world.

I wasnt trying to say hes not helpful in any of his past posts, but that is just the reason that struck me, that this post is not even remotely close to his other posts.

I mean, are you fucking joking? start a band? what are we 8th grade now? with all due respect for band members (some of em are cool), getting into a band just because women dig guys in a rock band? thats some messed up shit. Its like all these gay ass club promoters getting into it just to get some pussy.
I don't know if this guy gives advice outside of the forum, but telling a person that doesn't get result cold approaching to go start a band or learn salsa just to have a chance with girls? thats a deal breaker.

And ffs try fixing the way you write. If you want to be a "PU guru" or whatever at least fix your grammer and write with paragraphs. It was a bit of a hustle to try to figure out what you were trying to say between all the lines. If you want to get in touch with people (or students) you gotta hit that right chord with the words that are coming out of your mouth. being more expressive will make your point, your pov, your mantra, much more clearer when you deliver it correctly. No hard feelings.

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How to master cold approaching?

First get good at noticing the signals of the girls who want to be approached.

Otherwise it's just a gamble whether that girl will react favorably.

I agree with this.

In my experience, most guys i've seen fail or not become great do so for really common reasons. A big one is that they are unplanned/unorganized/have zero structure to there game. Their just winging it, they never test the target (compliance tests) they don't think building attraction.... They don't really analyze or even THINK about what they did wrong/right. They just approach away worrying more about what to say than what they should be working on... they go into get success not to learn. If one goes into learn vs expecting some success they can indeed become masters. I tend to believe that if they come from a learning perspective they can succeed... I personally didn't have much of a problem with cold approaching when I started but it took me a while to get better than where I started. so I would suggest that when anyone tests this theory, do your 300 approaches (or whatever the op said), do it to learn a structured game plan for "gaming" the girl. Don't go in expecting success right away without learning anything.

Thanks for making my point, hobbit, you and the other dude, should give him an apology, since they are CONSISTENT, you 2 are taking it out of CONTEXT...

Excellent posts...

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Again, no examples hitting and running....


Because this post, as i was trying to tell you, is in reference to captain jack that did 50k approaches, and got no results, click on the link i posted.
^ he was trying to make the point, that if cold approaching is not working, try something else, no biggie... Aaron sleasy and bunch of other well known people say something similar. BY THE WAY I DISAGREE WITH HIM IN THE NUMBERS AND %s, maybe that is were he is inconsistent...
I don't want to be anything, nor do i want to be a pua guru i just want to help people in the area of "dance floor game". Anyways, i know my grammar sucks, but is irrelevant, i can get and editor or a girl to fix it. Thank for the advise, you should work on your CALIBRATION. See i can get laid with bad grammar and get an editor or a girl to fix the mistakes, go check my text game lay reports, you may not be able to get laid or get along with YOUR LACK OF CALIBRATION. So i will work on my grammar you work on your calibration, deal? And you are very emotional and sensitive, as proof this post, my original point was to point out wm inconsistencies, but what did you do? attack the messenger... Nice try dude...Thanks again for the advise.


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