I agree that tension exists between men and women regardless but in my own experiences (perhaps through my own perception of the experience admittedly) there is a positive tension and negative tension. There is also an understanding that sometimes a man can come on too strong and she can't handle the tension and nor can anything happen because the tension for you and the moment are improper.

I am very big on gauging the situation circumstances and current attraction and advancing which area needs advancement but I'm very much on the side of being the attractive male and just sending signs out to attractive women. When I get responses it's easier to capitalize, you learn to build attraction by eye contact and body language and capitalize on the opportunities you wish to.

If the women can't handle the tension that doesn't mean you get laid. It doesn't at all mean you get laid, in fact you can just as easily be scaring the fuck out of her by going to direct. This is why I say 60 YOC is bad for relationship hunting, you are hurting yourself in a lot of ways because you never really gauge the situation, you aren't being a properly responsive man, you are being over responsive.

A woman needs to feel a connection to a man too. You seem to be self-centered in thought on this, a woman won't go into much of anything if she doesn't feel connected on some level. If you have no connection, you'll likely have no relationship. Women are far more intuitive then men, so if they don't feel you are connected they won't be in a relationship with you.

Talking does help build a connection touch, eye contact, all are just as important or more in building a connection. I've studied all of it but in a relationship you must communicate, is this really that hard to figure out? Do I really have to tell you that you have to talk and build rapport through hobbies, interests, etc.? Do you want to date a woman you can't stand going to shit? Really? She's got big tits but hates everything about me so I'll just stay with her big tits. Not really a good lesson for younger guys if you see what I'm saying here, why settle for stupid with nothing in common with big tits when you can find hot big tits with tons in common and an intellect?

Sorry but as I said you need to put them through the "interview process" just as much as she needs to put you. If you want a girlfriend don't go for one just because she is sexy physically, the girl better have more to offer or you'll just be really annoyed with her. At the same time if you can't connect with her on a level do you really want to date the girl? Honestly?

I suppose what I'm saying is if you are looking for a girlfriend you can still fuck the girl same night but you might want to pre-screen with some talking and bull shitting to see if you actually would care to pursue a relationship with someone like that. I am not at all against fucking her same night, but if you want a relationship with a chick shouldn't you see whether she is worth investing time on before wasting a night with one with dozens of others at hand you can interview for the job?

I brought up attraction because if you end up in a relationship with someone there should always be a mutual attraction for each other. I mentioned this because it is very important that you are attracted to each other not each other's tactics. If you guys don't find each other attractive to be around why would you want to be in a relationship with them?

It's not all about looks bro, looks aren't the only thing a guy looking for a girlfriend is after. You should give him a better shot at finding him a good girlfriend for him rather than fucking countless crazies until he finds a cool one (or hopefully he gets lucky and finds a cool one first lay).

Just my thoughts based off of experience and understand human natural behavior.

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Vic

60 Years of Challenge is more for same night lays than anything else. It emphasizes action and down plays talking, he emphasizes moving on quickly once you realize a girl is a time waster. Of course a relationship may develop with a woman off of it, but it is definitely not the best system for finding a girl to date.

If you want to find a woman to date you'd want to build attraction, a connection, and then sexual tension, rather than just going for the sexual tension. 60 YOC preaches sexual tension to build attraction, if you want to date girl you'd want to become attractive and then build sexual tension.

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Vic

The problem most of you guys don't seen not to understand i was gonna write a post in the lounge is the concept of "Investment" when you make the girl work and invest, and then you proceed with the seduction and all the stuff you mention, it is a million times easier, you need to make the girl INVEST. What are good ways to make a girl invest, having sex with you for one, texting, coming to you, picking you up, paying for small things etc... Making the girl work "invest" will make things like attraction etc... way easier she will have to make up rationalization of why for example she slept with a guy....


Again focus on arousal and fucking a girl=attraction/relationship will be way easier to do the seduction, and even if the seduction does not work you already fucked her, a lot of the community guys are so set in their ways, that they can not picture this process...Poetic those have a point you still need to do the things he mentions, but again easier to do after investment/sex etc...

Not necessarily. I was building so much sexual tension that the girl's ASD would go through the roof and think I'm a player. This is 60's main flaw. You also can't escalate as much during the day, it depends on the environment. Simply building a connection with women shot my lays up. All the other so-called PUAs doing the opposite are not PUAs, but pick-up monkeys. They get the physical part down, but fail to play on the emotional aspect of it. Many girls will get freaked out, not trust you at all, etc.

I agree with everything you said, I'm not sure I understand where we disagree bro.

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Vic

Why do you guys keep ignoring the fact that I'm for having sex with a girl the first night, but against not talking before escalation? I keep mentioning it, yes fuck the hell out of a girl the first night, but make sure she is an attractive person to you if you want to pursue anything with her.

Let me see if I can simplify it for you guys my process (only takes like 30 minutes guys and usually you know within 10 if it's worth your time):

Become Attractive to her- You need to be attractive to her not just your physical escalation or just allowing for sexual tension.

Connecting with her- If you want a relationships you need to connect your interests and how you guys will get along outside of just sex. You need more than sex if the girl is worth dating.

Sexual Tension- Sexual escalation and tension have to be built so that you can get laid, you can't avoid the process. If you want to fuck a girl it is essential to getting there.


Where did I ever say not to read 60 YOC? I said everyone should, why is that being ignored? I even mentioned to use 60 YOC after you become attractive to her rather than use his sexual tension to build attraction. I mention connection because while fucking a girl based merely off sexual tension is awesome dating a girl without a connection isn't too entertaining.

Don't ignore half the things I say and argue with me. I agreed on some level about the building sexual tension I merely mentioned why I think it is VERY important to go through this process rather than just physically escalate.

Here is a story from the other night:

I went to a Pub around here about 75 people or so go there. Probably 25-30 hot girls were there believe it or not, so wasn't too bad of a seen, some were taken some weren't.

I watched 2 guys work the room, encroaching on women and honestly their tactics were a very very tension building style, get inside their space, strong eye contact, etc. but they blew out the entire room in less than an hr. They left after getting shot down by every woman they approached. Now, if they would have had a conversation and let themselves become attractive to them and escalated at a proper pace they would have cleaned up because these men got tons of initial attraction cues as they started the conversation but lost the targets from being over responsive, too much touch, standing to close, to direct, etc.

I understand how to get laid, I also understand women as they usually say "You just get me, nobody understands me like you." This is after one night, not 1 month or something, I've had women tell me this after ONE NIGHT.

Sexual tension is essential to getting laid and I completely agree you need them to give you all these small commitments and the more of them you get the easier the relationship is to get to but I also don't see why on earth you wouldn't interview the women for the girlfriend roll, tons of women annoy the shit out of me from a relationship stand point, should I just date her because of her looks? Na, I'd fuck a woman for looks but not for dating.... Sorry my confidence is entirely to high to settle for a woman with a 2 personality and a 9 looks, that is really just an 11 on a scale to 20, not a good score in my opinion.

Use sexual tension and use 60 YOC but start out with a regular pick up where you start bull shitting and become attractive to them rather than just physical escalation or you will scare off a ton of girls that may be exactly what you are looking for.


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Vic

Not necessarily. I was building so much sexual tension that the girl's ASD would go through the roof and think I'm a player. This is 60's main flaw. You also can't escalate as much during the day, it depends on the environment. Simply building a connection with women shot my lays up. All the other so-called PUAs doing the opposite are not PUAs, but pick-up monkeys. They get the physical part down, but fail to play on the emotional aspect of it. Many girls will get freaked out, not trust you at all, etc.

From the looks of what you said, you say it as if building a connection is only necessary with girls that you want to date. What I'm saying is that it's with every girl whether you want to just fuck her or date her. And even most of the girls that want to fuck you right away will sooner or later want more out of you.

I agree that tension exists between men and women regardless but in my own experiences (perhaps through my own perception of the experience admittedly) there is a positive tension and negative tension. There is also an understanding that sometimes a man can come on too strong and she can't handle the tension and nor can anything happen because the tension for you and the moment are improper.

I am very big on gauging the situation circumstances and current attraction and advancing which area needs advancement but I'm very much on the side of being the attractive male and just sending signs out to attractive women. When I get responses it's easier to capitalize, you learn to build attraction by eye contact and body language and capitalize on the opportunities you wish to.

If the women can't handle the tension that doesn't mean you get laid. It doesn't at all mean you get laid, in fact you can just as easily be scaring the fuck out of her by going to direct. This is why I say 60 YOC is bad for relationship hunting, you are hurting yourself in a lot of ways because you never really gauge the situation, you aren't being a properly responsive man, you are being over responsive.

A woman needs to feel a connection to a man too. You seem to be self-centered in thought on this, a woman won't go into much of anything if she doesn't feel connected on some level. If you have no connection, you'll likely have no relationship. Women are far more intuitive then men, so if they don't feel you are connected they won't be in a relationship with you.

Talking does help build a connection touch, eye contact, all are just as important or more in building a connection. I've studied all of it but in a relationship you must communicate, is this really that hard to figure out? Do I really have to tell you that you have to talk and build rapport through hobbies, interests, etc.? Do you want to date a woman you can't stand going to shit? Really? She's got big tits but hates everything about me so I'll just stay with her big tits. Not really a good lesson for younger guys if you see what I'm saying here, why settle for stupid with nothing in common with big tits when you can find hot big tits with tons in common and an intellect?

Sorry but as I said you need to put them through the "interview process" just as much as she needs to put you. If you want a girlfriend don't go for one just because she is sexy physically, the girl better have more to offer or you'll just be really annoyed with her. At the same time if you can't connect with her on a level do you really want to date the girl? Honestly?

I suppose what I'm saying is if you are looking for a girlfriend you can still fuck the girl same night but you might want to pre-screen with some talking and bull shitting to see if you actually would care to pursue a relationship with someone like that. I am not at all against fucking her same night, but if you want a relationship with a chick shouldn't you see whether she is worth investing time on before wasting a night with one with dozens of others at hand you can interview for the job?

I brought up attraction because if you end up in a relationship with someone there should always be a mutual attraction for each other. I mentioned this because it is very important that you are attracted to each other not each other's tactics. If you guys don't find each other attractive to be around why would you want to be in a relationship with them?

It's not all about looks bro, looks aren't the only thing a guy looking for a girlfriend is after. You should give him a better shot at finding him a good girlfriend for him rather than fucking countless crazies until he finds a cool one (or hopefully he gets lucky and finds a cool one first lay).

Just my thoughts based off of experience and understand human natural behavior.

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Vic

Well if you are going by 60 yoc system, that was the topic of conversation. If you look at my style I include a connection in every pick up and it pushes up your closing percentage immensely (agreed). If you read my last post that is my pick up style regardless of whether I want to date her or close her tonight.

The point of 60 YOC is to go straight to sex and avoid anything else, it has it's ups for sure but I don't use just 60 YOC style. You can check out my blog to see what I mean if you'd like, keys to getting laid is the name of the article.

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Vic

It seems as though you're having a conversation with yourself, because you're addressing statements that were never made. You need to read my posts more carefully because your response is like a tangent on a tangent.

Well I wrote it because you didn't seem to understand where I was coming from which is quite obvious since you missed the fact that I am all about the sexual tension but I believe there is a better point to allow that tension to build. The point was to explain my argument to you but since you are having a difficult time with this I will secede. I'm over it.

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Vic

Again, you've misinterpreted 60. The overarching theme to 60's PU approach is to always come from a sexual frame, rather than an affection (seeking feminine energy) frame. The point of this is that by sexualizing the relationship early she'll she'll see you more as a viable romantic, and/or sexual partner rather than friending you. When a guy approaches a woman for her feminine energy (vying for her affection) he almost always comes off as needy and that's a massive turn-off for women.

I have several female friends who regularly confide in me about guys they date, and guess what the common denominator typically is? "He's just too nice, I can't see myself ever being sexual with him".