One thing I really don't like in the community is how they make PU sound like some kind of epic and tremendous journey full of hardships where you need to learn a magic skill set preferably as a disciple of wise elders of the community in order to gain the power that will change your life, or save the lady of your dreams from loneliness and all the other, pathetic guys, who are undoubtedly inferior to you since they aren't part of the exclusive "elite" group of super amazing PUAs.

You have a point here. PU is just sex. It's natural. Like making a sandwich. You don't need magic when you are hungry

It definitely has it's cult aspects (looking at you Mystery) with it's "gurus", "secret knowledge" and jargon but all in all I'd say it's a benevolent cult that uses the lure of sex to attract but is really all about helping men become better men.

The idea of helping each other is great. God, I would give up my last condom for a bro in need. The point is some aspects are too pathetic.

I kind of look at PUA as any self help sector. I went with my mother to a Law Of Attraction-ish seminar yesterday and it was funny some of the similarities in the work shop. AFCs were replaced by weak minded older women, different "guru", their story was our frame, etc. I think you get out of PUA what you want. If its shallow sex, thats what you get. If you need self development, you get that. I had a hot 50yo give me an unsolicited phone number. My mother and sis wer busting my balls and I told them about the PUA community. We laughed... I said I didnt use pick up skills I just manifested really hard! Ha!

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My personal mantra:

"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

What a lot of people may forget is the fact that it's not so much about perfecting this skillset for the sake of becoming a PUA god, but it's more about relating with actual human beings. That you like. That you want to be with, emotionally and sexually.

It is essential to the marketing aspect of PUA. Ultimately that's what it has become, an opportunity to make vast sums of money and now due to the saturation of the industry more emphasis on this is required. I wish I'd been around for the PUA BBS' before the days of even Ross Jeffreys when it was a bunch of bro's trying to help each other out rather than a bunch of opportunists, many of whom I am sceptical of their success trying to sell AFC's material that is guaranteed to get them what they want. If you want to get away from it form a pack with like minded people. That is the conclusion I've come too.

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I've got 99 problems but...

There is the marketing part of it naturally but also much of it is in your head.

There are different levels of skill and it takes time and pain to learn them well. At least for the common rAFC. Basically, our standard user is in need of guidance and has big problems both socially and emotionally. A shy guy without confidence who hasnt left his parents cellar in a year and hang out with the nerdy guys at school isnt gonna just learn stuff without a long hard path.

What I agree with you on is that many "gurus" act as if their path is the only right path. That sucks but thats how money is made, by competing.

I used to suck at this, I sucked so bad that it was sad. It took me years and years to get up to my present level, whatever that level is. If experienced people seem snobby and talk like they have the only real answer and give out tips and tricks to people, it is because they have experience in that field and try to help. So yeah, sometimes I talk like I know what Im doing, but that is because when I read a post, I see that I know the answer to the question from experience and can help out. Does that mean that I wanna be worshipped? Yes, but not from my fellow PUAs, but from the women I have around me.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

There are a ton of hardships. But the marketing can get out of control. If you want to keep bettering yourself, you have to keep overcoming who you used to be. Breaking down restriction. Pick-up is a path you can take, but I've heard of others dropping out for a little while and then picking it back up later after gaining some perspective.

PUA is all about learning the psychology of seduction both in concept and practice. People who put the work in to become really good definitely don't get there over night.

Just like becoming a good car salesman.

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Women are smarter than you think... but not as smart as THEY think

Once you learn and internalize the basics of PU and you see how 'easy' it really is to pick up girls - it becomes like the first time you had sex . . . You go 'THAT'S IT'?

However, again just like sex, when you continue the journey it actually DOES become fulfilling on so many different levels and you open doors you never imagined existed before. You will then go 'Wow, there's even more to this than the books say . . . '.

If you were to put your pick up journey on a graph it would be fluctuating like crazy. And it will continue to fluctuate throughout your whole life. That's the beauty of it.

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I think its a good community and makes sense why it has come about.
There aren't many places anymore were men can be men, masculinity is something which is frowned upon now days and feared. On top of this, although women's roles in society have changed and being opened up to be flexible (full of choice) men's roles haven't changed, we are still expected to be disposable, which is worse nowadays, as a lot of men just don't know how to interact with women, and its a shame because most of these men are nice guys, who have heard too much of the anti masculinity bullshit and have their balls in a vice.

Since i have been reading mystery methods, i now understand the art of social dynamics and have the choice of women i want in my life, beforehand i was fixated with sex and just would end up with anyone who showed interest, which lead me into trouble a few times, as i ignored the red flags.

Yes there is a lot of bullshit among PU, and i have seen it backfire on the PU who taught me unfortunately, but its something which a lot of guys really need at the moment.

Meh, as much marketing as their is with Pick-up.. there's a ridiculous amount of excellent free information provided by the community (on forums, on blogs, on youtube, etc). Paying for information and workshops is more about convenience and laziness than it is about learning "secret techniques".

The only PUA material I buy are books to put on my bookshelves. I don't buy PUA books for the information, but because I admire the authors and I want to do something tangible to pay my respects. Also, I now have really sexy bookshelves (yeah, I'm a book nerd).

Just my 2 cents.

-Wolf

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This very forum is one of the best sources of information you could ever wish for. You can just ask any question you have been wondering about and highly skilled PUAs from everywhere in the world will line up to help you. It doesnt get much better than that.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

PUA like any skill takes time to master, 99% of the guys in here are not true pua's they are seasonal but have not made any real changes in their lives, or dedicated the time in their own personal life to become "natural".

It does take time do become good, and to become a great pick up artist, its not just about one liners its about confidence, its about bettering your self, its about experience with women and situations.