I was gaming this HB9 and she agreed to see a movie with me, however she asked me to pay for everything. Got her number online and this is a phone conversation I had with her earlier.
I did not reply her after this. This girl rants a lot I'm not sure if I handled this properly, I feel like I should have just ignored the paying shit test instead of made an argument about it. But I didn't feel like putting up with all her craps and expectations for the date.

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How quickly that compliance disappears when they aren't getting free shit out of it.

TL;Dr at the bottom, here is long ass analytical break down

pay more attention to the frame here, you are conditioning in a weird way, it's like your qualifying for the sake of qualifying, instead of framing this nice, you are just like baiting with qualifiers all the time, then dis-qualifying all the time when she isn't even invested

1st qualifier is like basically,

you: are you aventerous?
her: no, and I'm conservative
you: I like that

2nd qualifier, sex, she fears judgement and won't qualify

3rd qualifier goes well, you played it nice, justified why she should comply and qualify and then gave her the impression you wouldn't judge her and it's no big deal, she tried to qualify herself as a result, but then you dis-qualied her after she tried to qualify for you (this punishes good behavior)

you: I like sex, tell me 3 things
her: 3 things about sex
you: I don't like that (she complied, why punish behavior?)
her: oh.. qualify myself for other shit not related to sex then since you don't like :'(

(then you qualify her and reward her for her good behavior, but now her sexual interests have been dis-qualified, she might feel judged as a result of this, bad thing for asd)

then she tries to steal the frame

her: DURRR YOU OLD ENOUGH BABY?
you: DURRR YOU YOUNG ENOUGH BABY?

at this point she is likely flustered at your lack of investing, SHIT TEST TIME!, but basically this frame you are holding is going to shit, gotta pay attention to her and keep the frame productive, this shit is getting counter productive

her: BUY ME DINNER, OR YOU'RE NOT A GENTLEMAN
you: HAHAHA NO, GO FUCK YOURSELF, LOVE DOESN'T COST MONEY, OR EAT SHIT AND DIE
her: she then dis-qualifies you as she should to condition the qualifier that you didn't take the bait on, just plain old proper calibration, then she breaks up that rapport nice on you, re-frames (frame is shifting into two people that don't like each other)

you: qualify yourself to her, then then dis-qualify her, this is where it became apparent you were reacting to her

from this point, you could have just tried to re-frame, but really this was becomming a losing battle the more you were reacting to her, you could have tried for an out, such as:

''oh I see, dating isn't about two people that just find out if they share interests and like each other and hook up if they do. Instead, it's just a buisness deal. The guy has to throw up some cash to find out if the girl is sexually compatible. Then maybe the girl is, maybe she isn't, but she still gets paid. Wow that sounds awesome hahaha. what happened to the girl that was just telling me about how she is well off, compassionate and has no tolerance for snobby people? I was starting to like her''

but really either way, how you handle this sort of thing, is don't get to this point in the first place, don't react to chicks or have a linear idea of what you're going to do, pay attention to her and lead, when she asked if you were old enough, just don't even hop into her frame at all, there was no need for you to even react to that, could have just said something retarded like, ''really? does the catholic pope help preists get away with molesting children?'' or something completely unrelated, or just don't invest in her question ''who knows about the alamo, do they even have SPAM playing right now?'', even something like, ''c'mon old enough? I was born in the alamo, is that your main spot?'', it's not like every time a girl asks you a question that could possibly bait you into being judged that you should never answer, that will just make you seem weird, like what? you think this chick would have lost interest in you, if you revealed that you were old enough to go to the alamo or something?, the only type of qualification that is smart to avoid is the obvious superficial shit, also keep in mind when there is little to no investment on a girls end then using the fear of loss as a motivator is extremely flawed, she won't fear losing that which she doesn't care about, if you want to really give the interaction a solid chance and then put some time into it (not just collecting phone numbers in person and screening moving from one to the next quickly), also when you are baiting girls into qualifiers, QUALIFY THEM, it's more important then dis-qualification unless the girl is being a bitch or acting like you are not good enough, you're not showing enough interest when she tries to qualify herself for you ''good'' or ''cool'' is not qualifying her very well, add some interest man hit on her, cool, I like that, or wow, I think im falling in love, or some shit so she knows she is ''qualified'', you are certainly letting her know when she is at risk to be dis-qualified, but where is the fucking, I like you, you like me vibe?, you're trying to play the couquette but the idea is, im not sure of you, prove yourself, then when she does ''I like you'' you are missing this element, your style more reflects i'm not sure of you, prove yourself, then when she does you are just like .... then later on you're not good enoug ''I don't like you'', donno if you are afraid to blow the set by showing too much interest or what but use both negative and positive conditioning, also too much negative conditioning will lead your subject to assosiate negative feelings towards the source

TL:DR if you want to pay for a date go for it, but in this case, I would try to get this girls on better terms before getting her out if that is your plan, don't want a pissed off girl meeting up with you, just to hussle you out of spite for a sour early interaction

Great post from pump.

A few comments:

I like the way SHE handled you but you reacted to all her shit tests in an AFC manner like you are desperate for her to like you.

I would have ignored most of her questions and just fixed up to meet ASAP.

Also I do not go for dinners or movies on dates but do something like tennis or any sport and just build rapport and trust.

Also it is protocol that if you invite then you should pay but that is how I feel about it.

I really thought she was quite funny and would defiantly take her out if I was in her town but I would need to hold a very strong frame, lots of push pull and kino tease.

If you nail her she will be like mush after that.

My frame is quite all over the place currently ever since I started experimenting with it. I got caught in this frame of being a much older wise mature alpha male whose humor is extremely dry. Which I clearly didn't do a good job with, the life experiences do make the differences. My original frame of a smartass cocky with an odd and dorky sense of humor works much better for me, but then it wasn't as strong sometimes. So I wanted to experimenting some new stuffs.

Thanks pumpington, I didn't even notice that till you pointed it out. I do have a habit of qualify the girls just for the sake of it rather than actually pay attention or interested in it.
I like this girl too, she seems interesting and totally capable throwing me off my game. A fun challenge. However, I was pissed off at the fact she wants to pay for everything. I was raised by asian cultures, pretty much that's what girls expecting me to do ALL the time. I hate it and sick of such expectation.

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Pump is spot on again!

My standard reply to a shit test question or statement for that matter is; "We should get ice cream" whether it fits the frame or not!

Sounds stupid right?

So are shit tests!

Accomplishes 2 things

1). I caught her in a shit test and SHE knows it without being a dick!

2). Shit test quotient drops dramatically!

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Personally I do not do much of this texting and chat back and forth etc as I have had girls read the humor totally wrong before while in person it's much easier to tease and just have fun.

I may text but only to set up a meeting. If they send too many messages or start to yap and yap too much I reply less frequently, maybe 1 to every 3 of theirs.

I do not care about paying for a date but if she wants more dates then I expect her to behave in a certain way and to please me.

JHMO but we guys have kissed their asses far to long over the years.

Make them work to be with us as well.

you didnt give much background, but is this your first conversation with her? if so, then immediately jumping into the sexual qualifying on the 2nd question is pretty creepy.

either way, youre being way too argumentative and not much fun. your frame is weird. youre trying to come off as dominant alpha male, but to me it seems pretty tryhard and perhaps even slightly misogynistic.

obv its tough to get a good read on a transcribed phone conversation, but still these are a few things i think you should think about. maybe im way off here and your nothing like the impression im getting from just reading that conversation.

having said all of that though, if i was into a girl and getting to know her and she busted out with that "real men pay for dates" shit, i have to say id be pretty annoyed. in the past when ive had to deal with this (thankfully, not often) ive agreed to pay but tried to get the girl to agree to do something for me. perhaps cook me dinner sometime, give me a massage, or even agree to pay for the 2nd date. a lot of the time that wont actually happen and ill pay the 2nd time too, but at least least shes agreed to give up something. that way you can kinda retain some of your power which is better than nothing.

lol awesome. i def gotta try this sometime.