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I too have had this happen to me quite often. Girls, that I've kissed closed for instance, but not close the entire deal. After meeting them randomly at a club and creating enough rapport to make out with her, I'd think those chicks would be crazy about me already. But due to various reasons, logistics, her friends, etc, you can't isolate them completely to leave with you so get phone # to try to get a date later. Then when I text them, they may either be receptive or distant, but most of them, I don't get beyond texting to a first date. Its pretty frustrating to be honest. I think other variables to consider would be they were under the influcence of alcohol that night, they acted sluttier, and feel guilty so they distance themselves or they have a BF but didn't tell you so they are not going to be available too often.
You sound as if kiss closes are a big deal, I know a lot of girls that would kiss dozens of guys but would never fuck them. They just like making out it's fun.
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creating enough rapport to make out with her
That made me sad. It just sounds as if you are getting something from her. Many may disagree with me but I feel as if this is a horrible frame of mind. I use to have this thought but this isn't what you need it to be.

Remember she wants to fuck as much as you, perhaps she doesn't want to fuck you but she does love orgasms as much as you. She loves that feeling of euphoria, you don't need to convince her to want sex, you need to convince her to want sex in two regards.

Convince her she wants Sex NOW (build sexual tension, turn her on).

Convince her she wants Sex with YOU.

If you got her kissing you then you are good at building attraction and rapport but the the third part is building sexual tension AND escalating sexually.

Note: My style is Attraction, Connection, and Building Sexual Tension/Escalating.

The most significant part of getting laid is not being attractive or building rapport but escalating sexually and building sexual tension. The guys who get laid the most know how to build sexual tension and escalate. The guys that get lucky are guys that build a connection and are attractive. The more of these areas you satisfy the better you are with women.

A man that is Attractive (confident), knows How to Connect, Escalates sexually as a responsive male, and knows how to build sexual tension is going to be a huge lady killer.

You should be building so much sexual tension that she wants to fuck more than you. Her only emotion if you do it properly should be arousal, straight I want to fuck this guy. Learn to build sexual tension and sex will be unavoidable. Raw human instinct takes over.

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I like this thread,

it's interesting but sometimes if you don't test compliance far enough soon enough, you can run into girls that are just absolutely after attention, and you start to see this pattern after a while, you see her at the bar, you are touchy, you move things forward, it's all good, she moves, it's all good, you go for a kiss, RED LIGHT, these are the same girls that were telling you about how sexy you are after you started hitting on them, the same girls that liked the idea of a date with you, the same girls that gave up their numbers, same girls that continued all night to come up and talk to you and ask you to dance, but as soon as you get to kissing or asking them home, NOPE, no compliance, kissing might make her horny, and if she doesn't want to sleep with you at all, she will draw the line somewhere around this point, but it isn't an indication of much to have compliance at this level, you can get plenty of girls to be fine with kissing you right away as long as they find you attractive enough and you have the balls to just do it, this is just like a check in your head that she is willing to make out (in isolation making out is like, the be all end all of getting her ready, it's just fun and easy, suck a face, vagoo gets wet, taaaddaaa magic pua technique)

so, how do you correct this, and screen these girls?, every night you go out, is one night stand night, if you go to a bar looking for girls, why the fuck would you get phone numbers?, take girls home, sleep with them, get the phone number only if this is impossible, this cuts down alot on time wasters, so easy to screen at night cause it is more socially acceptable to just walk up to someone you don't know, throw your arm around them and say something retarded, people will just crack it up to, ohhh one to many to drink, you can walk around throwing your arm around people just like... this guy... this guy right here... hes the man right here this guy... I like him, Hes a good guy, anyways, you guys have fun, THAT GUUUUUUUYYYYYYYYYY!!! (points at him with a shooter motion), and most people will just give you a smile and seem uncomfortable at most, if anything goes wrong, it's no big deal, you're in a bar, alcohol is your excuse to fuck it up, if you were drinking alot of a little doesn't matter, they don't know the difference, it's your spot to have fun, its a spot to socialize, it's ok to randomly talk to people and touch, usually its crowded and loud (depending what bars you frequent) and since people have been drinking everything is easily forgotten and forgiven, for all they know you just had one to many and are some slammered dude just trying to hard to party

now, in the day a tad different, can't screen as hard as fast with it comforming to social norms, it's a little out of place to just throw your arm around some random person during the day, it's easy to do your sets quicker, the goal is getting dates arranged, and quickly screening more girls for lower levels of compliance, while organizing flakes, rather then less girls but screening harder and investing more time individually into the girls, more flakes to deal with, but less talking or escalating to deal with, you just tell her what you want, blah blah blah, cool place to meet up, lets do it, get the number, done, text her for a bit, set it up so you know each other, cut off contact before it becomes a regular thing, bobs your uncle she either shows up on the date or not, organize the numbers after the fact and keep getting more

now, in both cases, there will still be chicks that waste time, why?
only two primary reasons I can think of

1) some chicks just love attention and will do anything at all costs to get it because they desperately want to feel loved and accepted by all, so they fake interest to get attention

2) some chicks have big problems with facing tension, they have no backbone, and will go as far as pretending they like someone or making out with someone, just so they don't create an awkward situation or step on anyone's toes

either way, alot of these types of time waster chicks, are hot in person, but cold as soon as they don't have to see you, it's so easy for a chick to just not answer her phone, then blow some guy off in a club or on a street and just say, FUCK NO I'D RATHER FUCK MY OWN ASS WITH A SWORD, and risk a male on female ass beating or yelling fest, the chicks know they are chicks, not too many have balls when they only weigh about 100 lbs, there is only safety and security for them in groups, and often the guys making these approaches are neither bold with their screening to force a no, or persistant in moving things forward and staying in set long enough to get a no, or approaching girls in situations where the girl feels safe enough to blow him out confidently (or at least try to), and if you are not willing to get blown out, you probably have never had a one night stand (or at least led your way into one)

there are also chicks that are unavailable and screen out for different reasons, such as liking you, but having a boyfriend at home that they don't want to tell you about, then giving out their number just for emergency purposes, or they have shitty friends that blow you out, or have other things going on in their lives

then there is the second category, and most likely the biggest reason why most guys get flaked on that have problems with flakes, and that is the connection, you can flirt around, have fun, be touchy feely, and hahahahaha jokes and giggles and laughs, but if you never take time to stop, look at who your dealing with and take some time to actually get to know them, and let them get to know you, no connections will be established, and the rapport stays light and superficial, instead of becomming Pumpington that hot cool guy she met at the club, you are instead, random hot club guy, and the club chick will be saying, ''yeah I remember him.... he was fun, nah... don't care if I see that guy again Jenny, I don't even know him, he probably just wants to make out anyways... that's all we did at the club, he probably doesn't even know my name''

without that connection, that feeling like you know someone, why the hell would you want to hang out with them, it's like meeting some dude first day of work, and you don't even catch his name, he gets your phone number, then hes all... yooo, lets go hang out and drink coffee together, most of people would not just be like... COOL coffee with random stranger I don't know, I'll get right on that, I'll pay too


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I have the same problem, only worse.

I had a girlfriend for 2 years, she broke up, and ive been thinking about her forever! For about 4 weeks ago we went to bed together. The next day she contacted me for just asking me why she stole candy, and she have to stop drinking. I was a bit understanding, and then said that i had to go, and hung up.

3 weeks later shes calling me very humble and humiliated(even tho I wanted to call her myself, but didnt). She then says that she wants to meet me. I said OK.

For about 6 ours we¨re talking, and she wants to watch a movie and cuddle, wanted a hug and all that. And she said she actually wanted me back. TRUST me i wanted that too. But i tried to play it cool, and said no to about everything with a bit of kino escalation. In the end we talked about the past and everything, and then I said I have to think about it, and 2 days later, I txt her and says we can meet up. Then she have totally changed her mind, and says that shes been thinking too, and its not good for anyone of us to hang together.

I freaked out !

What the hell am i going to do now? is it just a test ? did I push her away ?


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I too have had this happen to me quite often. Girls, that I've kissed closed for instance, but not close the entire deal. After meeting them randomly at a club and creating enough rapport to make out with her, I'd think those chicks would be crazy about me already. But due to various reasons, logistics, her friends, etc, you can't isolate them completely to leave with you so get phone # to try to get a date later. Then when I text them, they may either be receptive or distant, but most of them, I don't get beyond texting to a first date. Its pretty frustrating to be honest. I think other variables to consider would be they were under the influcence of alcohol that night, they acted sluttier, and feel guilty so they distance themselves or they have a BF but didn't tell you so they are not going to be available too often.
You sound as if kiss closes are a big deal, I know a lot of girls that would kiss dozens of guys but would never fuck them. They just like making out it's fun.
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creating enough rapport to make out with her
That made me sad. It just sounds as if you are getting something from her. Many may disagree with me but I feel as if this is a horrible frame of mind. I use to have this thought but this isn't what you need it to be.

Remember she wants to fuck as much as you, perhaps she doesn't want to fuck you but she does love orgasms as much as you. She loves that feeling of euphoria, you don't need to convince her to want sex, you need to convince her to want sex in two regards.

Convince her she wants Sex NOW (build sexual tension, turn her on).

Convince her she wants Sex with YOU.

If you got her kissing you then you are good at building attraction and rapport but the the third part is building sexual tension AND escalating sexually.

Note: My style is Attraction, Connection, and Building Sexual Tension/Escalating.

The most significant part of getting laid is not being attractive or building rapport but escalating sexually and building sexual tension. The guys who get laid the most know how to build sexual tension and escalate. The guys that get lucky are guys that build a connection and are attractive. The more of these areas you satisfy the better you are with women.

A man that is Attractive (confident), knows How to Connect, Escalates sexually as a responsive male, and knows how to build sexual tension is going to be a huge lady killer.

You should be building so much sexual tension that she wants to fuck more than you. Her only emotion if you do it properly should be arousal, straight I want to fuck this guy. Learn to build sexual tension and sex will be unavoidable. Raw human instinct takes over.

Peace and Love

Vic
Very insightful post man. And I think you are right about kissing not being a big deal for some girls. I feel like if I'm alone with a girl in a room, I can make it happen for sex. But the problem is getting to that transition point where I can bring her to my house, hotel, her house, etc that I have difficulty with. But anyways, what are some of sexual tension and escalation technique you use to get a girl aroused?


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Very insightful post man. And I think you are right about kissing not being a big deal for some girls. I feel like if I'm alone with a girl in a room, I can make it happen for sex. But the problem is getting to that transition point where I can bring her to my house, hotel, her house, etc that I have difficulty with. But anyways, what are some of sexual tension and escalation technique you use to get a girl aroused?
Well I want to mention something that sounds kind of crazy but I really like the concept of it 60 YOC preaches never to kiss in public, to just keep building the tension by showing you want to kiss, getting close to it but not doing it. It's a pretty weird thought to contemplate but his style is about straight sexual tension and escalation. Kissing relieves some of the tension and makes it easier to walk away, she already tasted a little bit of the prize.

Sexual tension is about genuine tension, most people don't know how to build sexual tension with a smile and thus recommend keeping a dead pan or straight face because a smile can relieve tension which isn't good at a certain point. You want to let it build and build. I like smiling but it is a part of my natural behavior and so it doesn't relieve the tension the way I do it. I haven't figured out how to explain it quite yet.

A smirk or crooked smile also does the trick, but dead pan is certainly the best if you can't hold a confident frame of control with your smile (like I said hard to explain).

Eye contact is essential to building sexual tension, strong eye contact. There should be moments when there is nothing else happening but eye contact and thoughts of you fucking her.

Silence builds sexual tension but talking builds attraction.

Once you build attraction and should you choose to a connection silence is golden. Make eye contact and "shut the fuck up".

I don't have a lot of tips in this regards because I just kind of follow instinct, move at a pace that she is comfortable with. My game is completely situational and on the spot but I do think there is a few spots you can gain some tips. To me a lot about sexual tension is accepting your instinct and literally losing yourself to them.

Hopefully others will chime in with some other good guides, it's hard for me to justify reading and buying more information when I already kind of just know what to do. Keep in mind the best way to build sexual tension is to be direct not indirect with your desires.

I like 3 different sexual tension building guides that I have read:

60 Years of Challenge puts out a good sexual tension building guide. I recommend it, it balls and confidence in yourself/actions. You have to buy his stuff though. This is a whole pick up guide, I like it but you don't need to buy it.

Warped mindless here on the forum has this thread which is an awesome guide Lots of 60 YOC influcence. This is totally and all about Sexual Tension. esp-model-of-escalation-vt97891.html

And this Shock and Awe Technique by Cieran is also a great technique: shock-and-awe-technique-by-ciaran-not-a ... +shock+awe his is a total pick up tool, I believe it might be a good idea to read and instill Warped's guide and then go into and read Shock and Awe you should be set.

They are all pretty solid I highly recommend all three, I haven't created a sexual escalation guide because I really don't see a point with some awesome free little guides around here that would say exactly what I say. It is on the list of articles to write, its just back seat to other articles because of these other great guides.

If you guys know of other good sexual escalation and tension building guides or videos please add them!

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Simple answer....emotions.

Women are emotionally driven, and emotions can change for the slightest reason....logic is constant...emotions are variable.

This is why when you first meet a women, you have to hit her with the proverbial sledgehammer and make sure those emotions you bring up stick.


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What poeticlyskuac said. To add maybe shes busy, maybe she didnt read your message.. In the end its all about being cool and not reacting to what she does.

If she doesnt respond? Message again in a few days.. No response try again maybe a week. At the point when you feel its not going anywhere, text her a direct statement about her and add a question as to why she changed her mind. That way you learn from your mistakes and your not pulling your hair out.

But you would have to provide more information if you want an answer to your exact situation.

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poeticlyskuac, thanks for the tips and links. Very useful stuff that I could try out.


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poeticlyskuac, thanks for the tips and links. Very useful stuff that I could try out.
No Problem bro, just here to help.

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