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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:41 pm 
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But for some reason, I don't feel like I'm doing very good with this girl. She is my roommate's cousin. I feel like I get some IOI's when we all hang out, but I'm starting to doubt it after texting with her. Transcript below...
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Me: *Her name*!
Her: What's up!
Me: You should come support your cousins tonight at the races
Her: I'm actually in Boston for the weekend!
Her: Is *roommate* racing too?
Me: Yeah he races his dad's car
Me: You travel a lot
Her: Aww that's cool!
Her: haha I know
Me: What's better Boston or NYC
Her: Boston!!
Me: Why's that
Her: Smaller, cuter, cleaner
Me: I've been to NYC 3 times now, wanna try something new
Her: Should try it! I tried to get *roommate* to move here haha
Me: That or Chicago... But I'm Irish so they'll love me in Boston
Me: *Roommate* has an awesome house with an awesome roommate, why would he want to move?
Her: Haha so I can have my own awesome house with an awesome roommate!
Me: Trying to steal my roommate, we're fighting.
Her: Haha he's my cousin. I have dibs!
I feel like this is going nowhere and I'm not really sure how to get it to go somewhere. I'm usually pretty solid with texting, but for some reason I have my doubts about this one. Plus, she must have told my roommate I invited her because he texted me and asked me if I did. I told him I did, and he said that it was random. I asked him what she said and he hasn't responded yet. A few months ago I ran it by him to see if he would care if I hooked up with her, and all he said was good luck.

Any tips? Should I even bother texting back?

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No worries, nothing bad, but nothing great. Why is it going nowhere? Because you guys are talking about RANDOM SHIT and OTHER PEOPLE (your roommate).

Make the convo mutual about the both of you. Roleplay. I always use roleplay. Or try to. If not then I use texting to set up a date or meetup. There is no other point. Each and every word, every text, must have value. Otherwise there is no reason to send that text.

Back off. Reinitiate in a day or two and test the waters. Then begin a roleplay and set up a meetup. (Great roleplays are things like you two are married and will go on a honeymoon - can lead to sexual talk and banter. Or taking over the world together. Flying somewhere together - she buys the tickets, etc.)

Stop talking about irrelevant stuff and be her escapism. Then meet her.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 7:48 am 
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Just a few things:

1. I wouldn't text a girl 2 messages in a row. Show that you have nothing to do and too much interest.

2. Listen to what she says and spin off your conversation from that. You just went of with yours and she just went on with her will not create good rapport or attraction. Obvious evidence of lack of emotional connection is her in autopilot mode if you noticed her answers.

3. Add a little humor and be more sexual. Adapt a mindset to text to sext. You're playing it too safe. Look like you're heading to friendzone.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 8:56 am 
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Idle banter, nothing wrong but its kinda banal you're playing it safe which after a point can backfire as it looks as though you are avoiding the obvious (asking her out)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:41 pm 
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it seems your intentions are not clear, and you have no direction in which you are leading this, if you were walking this would be the equivilent of aimlessly walking around in a circle with no destination

your behavior is probably confusing to her

how did you get this girl's phone number, and what have you done to express your intentions so far with her?

was this just a random text out of no where, with a hey how are you, come out with me?

what was the reason you contacted her, just a conversation? just an invite? what was the point?

what is the background on this? (obviously it's your roomies cousin, but whats the story)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2012 4:45 pm 
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I agree with you guys, I wasn't bringing the conversation anywhere. And honestly, I am afraid to do so. I still have a fear of rejection, and my confidence level still isn't up to where I want it to be after breaking up with my ex of 3.5 years about 6 months ago.

Pumpington, I got her number about a month after I broke up with my ex and about 2 weeks after she broke up with hers. Not the best way to get someone's number. It was St. Patrick's Day, and my roommate's phone was dieing so he used mine to contact her. But then the next weekend she texted me at like 1am on a Friday night, so I figured she knew I had her number and I know she has mine. I pretty much only text her to see if her and her friends are out on the weekends, as I didn't see her as potential because of my roommate. But I talked to him about it and he said he wouldn't care, so I've decided to give it a shot. The reason for contacting her was both because I was bored at work and because I wanted her to come. I get bored when my roommate is waiting in the staging line at the track, so I figured it would be better to have someone to talk to.

As for the background, we met about 4 years ago at a country concert, danced together but she had a boyfriend at the time so nothing more happened. My game was pretty good back then, and soon after that I met my ex. She left her boyfriend, came to a party at my house about 3 years ago and made my ex very jealous because she was talking to me a lot. Then she went away to college and I never saw her until recently as she now goes to the college I graduated from for her Master's. I broke up with my ex, she had recently broken up with hers. My roommate and I met up with her and her friends on the weekends regularly, but lately we've been too busy to go out.

The last time I hung out with her, I walked away with regret that I should have done more. Her family had a cottage on a local lake last week, so my roommate and I headed down there with his boat to hang out and fish. I got some IOIs from her, but was afraid to make any moves because her family was there. Her family loves me, her mom hugs me and her dad is always talking to me, but I'd still feel weird hitting in their daughter right in front of them. I've met them a few times prior, and they've always been really nice to me.

Perhaps I just need to man up and escalate, and stop making excuses for my actions. Hell I've probably confused her enough as to why I haven't made a move in person... I still want to find out what she said to my roommate. That should be telling as to whether its worth a shot or not.

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hey man, so here are some ideas for you man

right now, the frame is very neutral, friend to friend

if you are interested in this girl, at this point it would be somewhat weird to just directly start hitting on her as it would be incongruent with the frame leading up to this point, but you are going to have to shift the frame towards something more conducive to your ends, and the means towards producting the ends show be known, just start justifying why, once you have re-framed the interaction, it will give you more leg room to escalate and qualify her

so for example, when you call a girl out of the blue, or go approach a random girl, before you start looking for compliance, qualifying her and escalating, set the frame right away, if you can show your intentions and justify them, she will be more likely comply with the frame

if you wanted to have an aimless conversation, just set the frame before hand by literally stating this, since you were both bored and looking to invite her out, just state both aims, to produce your means, and it will justify your ends, it gives her a more clear idea of where she is being led, if this is an acceptable idea for her, she will comply with the frame much easier, as you have stated yourself indirectly, walking into the unknown can leave you less willing to keep walking (fear of rejection aka fear of the unknown), as long as the person has an idea of where the end is and know what the means towards that end is, they can make more clear descisions

so for example, when you called her up, you could have started with that invite and gotten straight to the point,

you:hey her name
her:whats up!
you:Calling you to shoot the shit, and invite you out to the races. You should come support your cousins blah blah....

^ right away, means has been justified, and frame has been set, she either complies or does not comply, but your chance for compliance goes way up, and she can see that you know what you are doing, and projecting certainty is a good quality to project, she knows what she is being led into and it doesn't leave her confused, it is the exact same thing when you cold approach, pre-frame the interaction before it begins so the girl knows that you are leading, and where you are leading to

so TL:DR = let her know what you want, express yourself, but do it baby step by baby step, escalating the situation and shifting to frame to maintain congruence

her being your roomies cousin is probably not that big of a deal, if she is attracted, she is attracted, now in reguards to the past, and what will happen in the future, try to forget about both of these aspects, be aware of what has happened in the past, but don't focus on it, just like you should have a clear idea of where you are leading things towards, but you should not be focused on the future, just focus on the exact compliance and frame you want to set currently, from moment to moment in the present time, if you feel weird about hitting on her in front of family, express (not nessicarily overtly) this and isolate, same idea from before, let her know why you are doing what you are doing (the more honest the better, but you can give an excuse if you are afraid), and once you have justified to her why she should comply and where you are leading her to, lead

so for example,
''come with me, I like talking to you but your family is watching and it creeps me out''

now all that happens here if she ''shit tests you aka congruence tests'' she is just confused as of what frame you are setting and wants to find congruence behind your actions to be able to choose if she is willing to be lead or not, if the congruence is there, you will not even be tested, just either complied with, or not complied with, and building and checking compliance is a great way to guage a girls interest, and is completely nessicarily to screen her effectively, girl offering little to no compliance when she has justification is probably not all to interested in where you are leading or the frame that has been set, and if she isn't buying what you are selling then there is not enough value for her, (she is not interested in you), compliance says it all, test it

if you think you have to escalate, and that is what you want, then that is where you should lead to, if you are convinced this is not what you want then you should just drop it, but wanting something but being hesitant to lead out of fear, and not wanting something are two completely different things, try to make up your mind and be more clear about what you are doing, more certainty behind your actions and what you want, commit to what you are doing

if you are unsure of how to flip the frame, you can either directly pre-frame into a new thread, or you can start a roll play, you can try to lead her into a new frame through baiting her into qualifying herself, there is alot you can do with this and it is dependant on what your style is and how you like to go about things, but what is important when you start gaming her is that you can hold some amount of congruence behind what you are doing

in the end it will come down to what do you want, and how are you going to lead yourself there, then lead and see where it goes, don't waste time guessing where it is going to go focusing on the past and future, just lead and understand you will be ok reguardless of what happens, if she isn't interested so what, the only way you will get her if she is interested is to get on with it and lead, not doing so only furthers the chances of her not being interested

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Pumpington, thanks for the reply and advice. I really appreciate the effort you put into helping me with that post, you're very good at explaining things. Not sure when I'll talk to her next, as I'm going to be busy the next coming days, but I will let you know how it turns out, and I'm sure I'll have even more questions. Thanks again.

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