I was on the net and recently came across this shocking information that people are saying about Game. On a site called Pua, people are saying game is fake and so are all of the "Pua's". They bribe people, lie, and do sneaky things just to get girls.

In this review this man is treated very rudely by Adam Lyons and his wife, and I believe Adam himself admits Game is nothing but a mere scam. http://www.seductiondatabase.com/sdb4/v ... =4&t=18957

And I can't help to think that there right! There saying things like game doesn't matter it's a matter of how much money you make and the odds that play in how many approaches you make. Now I think the part about the Pua's being sneaky and doing low class things to get girls I'd say is true but what about everything else?

Reading this is kind of discouraging for someone who invested a lot of time in learning game and trying to get good at it. I think everyone here has a right to know Is this all true?

Was this PUAHate? Because that site is just so full of butthurt it isn't even funny. Well, it is. But you know what I mean. There are a lot of scams out there but the fundamentals taught are not. There is nothing sneaky or underhanded going on. Really, women say "I only sleep with the cat's pajamas". You say, "Well, I happen to have the pajamas of a cat". A few steps later and profit.

Hey mate.

i understand you concern.

I dont know if the game is fake or not. It is a story about somebody who changed his life because he wanted something, nothing more. You cant just read the game and do what is in that book... i really wouldnt know what i would be doing different then before. The game is meant to be a bridge, an eye opener, an inspiration. It inspired me to check out these techniques, these ideas.

Like many things, there will be believers and none believers. There will always be people who will hate and give criticisms. Some of them will never try it out themselves but will attempt to break it down by approaching it logically. Like; huh, really as if that would really work! I think not!! and there you have it, they THINK not, but never have tried it. Then there are those who tried it, but so sceptically and without conviction that it doenst work. Like in martial arts: dude, karate doesnt work, it tried it and i got my ass kicked. Yup, but still there are people out there who learned karate and break bricks with there bare hands.

Pua is just the same. Yes, there are frauds out there. But on the other hand, there are people out there who are very decent with the ladies and all this behaviour is learned. I am one of those people. I worked hard, learned hard, crashed hard and fucked hard. I was sceptical to my own behaviour, what was blocking me? How can i change, how can i adapt?

and here i am. I can confidently walk up to any women, most of the time have a very interesting conversation. End up with a number, a kiss or a fuck. sometimes i still do crash and burn though .

Be sceptical with everything you read, is it pua techniques or pua hate . There are many people who can show you what they have learned, so in conclusion i might say to you:

no matter how many people say this is bullshit, we are getting laid anyway.

cheers and good luck

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

I mean this sorta makes me feel like Mystery and Style are just con artist.. I mean I think Style's connections might have helped, I've heard him say he even been to motley Crüe concerts and couldn't get girls - even with VIP tickets?! But like someone said all it took was mystery to show Style what he's worth and to shave and dress better?

But my question is: Is game real?

Style had a good career before he got into the PUA stuff.

If you are conversing with a woman, and are able to tell her that you have gone on tour with Motley Cru, and that you are an author who writes articles for rolling stone, you are going to get women just because of that.

If he worked at a gas station, and suddenly was getting super models that would be different.

He may well have been shy with women, many guys are. But he also had a lot going for him in his life. Women like guys with fulfilling lives.

Imagine how different he would appear.

Some woman just spoke with 4 guys who worked in various jobs, and this guy style writes for rolling stone magazine, right there he's more interesting.

So I think whenever guys say they couldnt get any women before they became PUA's. it's all marketing, they want you think you can do it too, and buy their program.

Something tells me style got women while with Motely Cru.

Just because certain companies and instructors are scammers, doesn't mean the game doesn't exist.

It's like saying 'being more confident' is not real or 'self improvement' isn't real.

Of course it's real. It's up to you what you choose to do with the information and experience with women, and not the money-leechers who call themselves 'gurus'.

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hey again.

Why would you care if they are con artists or not? Would it make any difference towards the success you have had so far?

Although, judging by these very questions you ask now, i dont believe you have been very successful... you wouldnt ask these questions otherwise.

Yes, game is real. There are tricks, mindsets and etc to interact in a special way with women. Some techniques/mindsets are all about changing yourself.

You are posting on a community board here. What do you think we are doing here if all of this would be fake? i dont get paid for being here. I very rarely recommend a book written by these PUA's. So i dont get money from them because i recommend them here. Not even a thank you. Mostly i just advice from experiences i had, which i received by doing stuff, trying stuff. By crashing and trying again, from my successes. If there would not be such a thing as game (by which you understand one of the following: seduction, flirting, better interacting with women, getting laid,...) i wouldnt be here. I still learn from hanging around here, if it wouldnt be because of that, i wouldnt even bother posting here.

So i suggest you stop worrying if things are real of not and start going out and try stuff .

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Fake or not it started a revolution. Thousands of guys across the world used bits and pieces of it and increased their success with women. I know I have... It's not the only way tho. I like Adam's style and Sasha's direct game too. I think there were exagerations but overall the story was real.

I understand why people care if these guys are scammers.

They think why should I buy books, DVD's and invest all this time in trying to become something that doesnt exist.

Fairly common sensicle.

But being social and approaching women and talking to them how they like to be talked to, is not a system, it's just being social.

At the dance at school, are you the guy who leans up against the wall with some other guys and play air guitar to the music, or do you get out there on the dance floor and start dancing.

I've done both, while I dont regret the bonding with friends, you do better with women if you get out there.

Im not sure that any PUA system really is doing anything. The biggest part is just going after what you want instead of waiting for it to come to you.

The results are self-validating, you learn it, you test it, and depending on how good you are (and with a bit of chance luck of course), you get positive results. With you, it sounds like you're spending a lot of time learning/studying, and little time implementing, letting yourself get frustrated. The fact you uncovered that article from TWO YEARS AGO, tells me you're looking pretty hard for an excuse to be a failure in the community, that's lazy.

Theres no way to calcualte results, when all the variables are different, every time you sarge.

Different people involved, different targets, different moods of people in volved on that particular day.

The setting of the place you are at, the loudness or softness of music.

No two nights are the same, so the results can never be consistent.