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PostPosted: Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:02 pm 
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Kinda convoluted, but I'll try & keep it short:
Was introduced to a very cute girl a few weeks ago by a female friend of mine at a party. Hit it off amazingly well & ended up banging her silly upstairs on my friends bedroom floor. We had had plenty to drink, so after having sex (she wanted to do it again immediately) she hopped in the bed to "rest for a minute" while I went downstairs to grab some pizza for both of us. I got sidetracked downstairs for @ 20 minutes by some other friends & by the time I got back upstairs, this girl was sound asleep. Immediately thereafter, my friend starts shutting the party down & it ends up that I pretty much have to leave without saying goodbye or anything. Fuck! I end up having to get her # from my friend & text her the next day just saying I had a good time & we should get together again sometime. She doesn't respond for a couple days, but when she does she says, "yeah, let's get together sometime, but I must say that I was blacked out, did we have unprotected sex?". I'm half floored & half thinking that she's BS'ing me so she doesn't feel slutty. I mean, we had been drinking, but she didn't seem super wasted or anything. I tell her yeah, we did, but I'm totally on my heels at this point. We end up texting back & forth for a few weeks & I play it cool (considering I really dig her) & try and get her out a few times but she flakes out and I'm thinking it's a lost cause. Oh well. Out of the blue one night, she texts me & asks me to meet her out to see a band. We have a blast again, she's all over me & I take her back to my place, get her naked & like a complete idiot I decide to not have sex with her as a way of getting her to trust me/show her that I like her. This is strictly due to how things ended the first night. Not sure what I was thinking, but that's what I did. We make out & talk til 3:30- or 4 & I'm thinking I made the right move, but the next morning she is pissed. As I'm taking her home, she's telling me that "you know, my ex has been calling me" & shit like that. When we get to her place, she just gets out & slams the door & walks away without saying goodbye. The next day she texts me saying that she doesn't want to see me again. I realize I 'effed up royally, but my intentions were pure. Is there any way to recover from this?


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well simply call her and tell her why you acted the way you acted...and if she doesnt call back within a few days, explain it via text..


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I tried calling her a couple times. She would respond via text saying "hey! I didn't mean to not call you back, but my phone's been acting up". So I sent her a pretty long text explaining my actions. Nothing too dramatic, just straight to the point. Here's how she responded via text:

her - I got your message. I just don't know what you want from me.
me - honestly? I just want to hang out with you.
her - I'm somewhat afraid of you.
me - ?? Don't be. I like you & have since we met.
her - You don't know me well enough to like me. You should know that I'm seeing other people & this just isn't going to work for me.

Immediately after her text, I get pissed with all this BS & call her. It goes straight to voicemail & I leave a message telling her to call me right now! A minute later she calls me back & here's how it goes:
me - Listen, this whole texting thing sucks. I don't communicate well that way.I'm just trying to tell you that I want to get to know you better!
her - well, that makes sense. why didn't you say so before, but like I told you, I'm seeing other people.
me - I don't give a shit. When we hang out we have fun. We're going out again!
her - OK, but I have a busy week. Call me next week.

I steer the conversation into less dramatic waters & we chat for 10-15 more minutes & then end the conversation. Seems promising, but I honestly feel like a chump having to go through all this drama just to get this girl to go out with me again. I mean, if she's afraid of me for fuck's sake shouldn't I just walk away?


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So I ended up completely ignoring her for weeks. No texts, calls or anything. This past Saturday, she shows up at the bar that sponsors my soccer team after my game (she knew I'd be there through mutual friends). She was there when I showed up, sitting with my buddies. Needless to say, I was surprised to see her. Anyway, we hung out for a couple hours, I played it cool with her. Made her laugh a bit, ignored her a bit. But she was generally pretty frosty towards me & indirectly let me know that she was seeing some other dude. My question to y'all is, should I drop her a text teasing her a little bit & reestablish some communication? Or do I continue ignoring her?


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I think some errors may have been made with HOW you dealt with her admission of being "blacked out" and wanting to know if she has AIDS.

She does NOT remember having sex with you. She told you that NOT for an "excuse", but probably b/c it's TRUE. She was passed out when you last saw her, right?

DO NOT TEXT HER ANYMORE!

When she texted you and asked, "what do you want from me?" the response you gave, IMO, was a HUGE mistake. You said, "to hang out." WRONG ANSWER. You stuck your cock in her and you want to 'hang out?' She knows your full of poo and she even said, "I'm AFRAID of you." To which you said, "don't be." WHOA! Dude, telling a girl "don't be afraid" is NOT helpful.

It's as if you were TRyING to convince her through LOGIC that you're safe. Not good. Girls are NOT logical; they just react and don't "think" so saying you're safe doesn't mean anything to her. How you're making her FEEL with those texts DOES matter.

I would have said after her "what do you want" text, is "I want a 'do over. You were too drunk to FULLY take advantage of and we're hanging out again so I can take advantage of you when your sober and not drooling on my friends pillow." OR something like that.

I'd act like NOTHING happened, SMILE when you see her and maybe ADMIT the awkwardness you have with this situation and ask for a "do over."


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Duly noted & I appreciate your advice. I think you might've skipped over the part about her being back in my bed a couple weeks after the original incident & me not sleeping with her. I thought she'd appreciate that, but she's been pretty frosty (borderline angry) with me ever since then. And yes, i realize I've made multiple missteps throughout this whole ordeal. Makes me sick to my stomach & I'm just trying to turn things around.


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Duly noted & I appreciate your advice. I think you might've skipped over the part about her being back in my bed a couple weeks after the original incident & me not sleeping with her. I thought she'd appreciate that, but she's been pretty frosty (borderline angry) with me ever since then. And yes, i realize I've made multiple missteps throughout this whole ordeal. Makes me sick to my stomach & I'm just trying to turn things around.
You're assuming she appreciated that.

Women LIKE to get fucked. You robbed her of her own orgasm. Think of it in that term and see where she's coming from.

Like Zlibby said, let it marinate - do nothing. See where it falls out.



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Thanks fellas, I'll just keep my distance. I wish I had gotten some advice from y'all before I made some of these daft texts & actions. I'm pretty pissed at myself for getting into this situation, because she's a cool chick.


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Thanks fellas, I'll just keep my distance. I wish I had gotten some advice from y'all before I made some of these daft texts & actions. I'm pretty pissed at myself for getting into this situation, because she's a cool chick.
Shit happens... if she's cool - she'll 'get it' and you can have a laugh about it later... Maybe right after she's blown you. :twisted:

Just let it chill. If you see her - be upbeat/energetic/genuinely happy - redefine her image of you.


My 25th high school reunion was fucking epic for me. I left high school very introverted. I returned as a recently-divorced ex-professional bullrider and MANY years in game. I was able to show the diablolical contrast from the nerdy-introvert to the charismatic businessman in front of them who also happened to be a bullrider. I never talked about rodeo to anyone I chatted with before the 'festivities' started... We all sent in pics of what we'd been doing... When they came to my name - it was fucking hilarious. The MC just shut up and said "Anyone remember this guy?" and they showed by HS senior pic, a pic from getting my Eagle Scout in Boys Scouts, and a pic with a purple belt in karate.... It was cool... but then the guy said "Well, you'll remember him after tonight as the winner of the "most outlandish career - a true rodeo cowboy"... then they showed 3 pics I'd sent them: my sponsor pic, and two action shots kinda like my avatar pic here.... When that happened - it was like the flood gates opened. After the slide show and the dancing/music started back.... I had my choice of 3 women, and know I could have opened several others. It's an extreme example - but I redefined whom I was perceived to be in those years...I became more attractive in the course of '2 hours' for a myriad of reasons... whether it was my career, my business savyy, my suit, my conversation or the 'rodeo cowboy'... it doesn't matter - their perception changed; hence their reality changed.

Change her paradigm.

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Thanks RR. Will Do.


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Kinda convoluted, but I'll try & keep it short:
Was introduced to a very cute girl a few weeks ago by a female friend of mine at a party. Hit it off amazingly well & ended up banging her silly upstairs on my friends bedroom floor. We had had plenty to drink, so after having sex (she wanted to do it again immediately) she hopped in the bed to "rest for a minute" while I went downstairs to grab some pizza for both of us. I got sidetracked downstairs for @ 20 minutes by some other friends & by the time I got back upstairs, this girl was sound asleep. Immediately thereafter, my friend starts shutting the party down & it ends up that I pretty much have to leave without saying goodbye or anything. Fuck! I end up having to get her # from my friend & text her the next day just saying I had a good time & we should get together again sometime.

I wouldn't msg a girl I had hooked up with the night I had met her with "I had a good time..." as it frames the relationship as completely sexual. While it's important, if not vital to maintain a sexual frame in any seduction, its possible she has 'buyers remorse' in choosing to sleep with you - she wanted to get fucked, just as you did, but perhaps wanted nothing more than that. By buyers remorse I am talking specifically about a girl's need to NOT feel like a slut as being more important than talking to the guy they let their guard too easily down with. If she's a skank, chances are she just seeks multiple fuck sessions with random guys. If she's not a skank, chances are hearing "I had a good time" or anything that smacks of anything sexual via text will only remind her of the mistake she'd made in being too easy - her need to not feel like a slut by ignoring your advances is more important to her than any feelings she may have towards you. It's called self-preservation.


She doesn't respond for a couple days, but when she does she says, "yeah, let's get together sometime, but I must say that I was blacked out, did we have unprotected sex?". I'm half floored & half thinking that she's BS'ing me so she doesn't feel slutty. I mean, we had been drinking, but she didn't seem super wasted or anything. I tell her yeah, we did, but I'm totally on my heels at this point.

A legitimate question, and also fits in with my comment above. Sex with a stranger, though exhilarating, is also very risky both physically and to her sense of self (again, not wanting to feel like a total skank - its conceivable that she can justify to herself that she's LESS of a skank for having sex with a guy who used protection over one who didnt, but in all probability her concern for getting pregnant or STDs trumps this). Why were you offended? Did it kill the sexual tension for you? Seriously, give your head a shake.


We end up texting back & forth for a few weeks & I play it cool (considering I really dig her) & try and get her out a few times but she flakes out and I'm thinking it's a lost cause.

Again, she likely regrets making herself so easy. It may very well be a lost cause, but if you are going to keep trying I'd drop any sexual overtones and make the conversations purely about establishing comfort (that which she never had with you). Make her laugh, make her smile, be random keeping her on her toes trying to guess "what's this guy going to text me next?". If you can do that and offer her a sense of escape from the mundane, you may have a chance getting her out. If you start telling her how hot her ass and titties were and you're horned out thinking about that night you'll only hammer the remaining nails in the coffin.


Oh well. Out of the blue one night, she texts me & asks me to meet her out to see a band. We have a blast again, she's all over me & I take her back to my place, get her naked & like a complete idiot I decide to not have sex with her as a way of getting her to trust me/show her that I like her. This is strictly due to how things ended the first night. Not sure what I was thinking, but that's what I did. We make out & talk til 3:30- or 4 & I'm thinking I made the right move, but the next morning she is pissed. As I'm taking her home, she's telling me that "you know, my ex has been calling me" & shit like that. When we get to her place, she just gets out & slams the door & walks away without saying goodbye. The next day she texts me saying that she doesn't want to see me again. I realize I 'effed up royally, but my intentions were pure. Is there any way to recover from

Why would you get her naked and not have sex? Seems weird. I'd have not had sex with her or intiate her on it. She is however sending confused signals as to whether its a booty call or something more - she may have called you out of need for validation and horniness. She sounds like a girl I dated last summer, a freak (didn't love herself and looked for guys to treat her like shit, what she expects) - I'd probably leave her alone, other women out there who aren't head cases. Her pissy reaction to you seems way out of left field unless you're not painting the proper context. Her telling you about her ex was to draw you in through jealousy, and probably to also be a bit spiteful taking advantage of the fact that she knows you like her. I don't think you did anything glaringly wrong, I think you're messing around with what's probably a very young, unstable girl. All in all I think her behavior is more of a personal statement about her rather than anything you did or didn't do. I wouldn't lose sleep beating myself up over it and instead just throw her into the 'freak' category.

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Thanks agent. I appreciate the insight.


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Well, I haven't seen her in a couple weeks. I haven't texted or called her either, per the advice I've received here. The thing is, I like to be proactive in situations like this you know? But I also realize that sometimes you've just got to stay away. I've been chasing some other girls, but I don't dig them as much as this one (of course). I know we'll cross paths again at some point, but the summer is slipping away & I'm finding it a little more difficult to "let it marinate" like retired rodeo & others have suggested. Thoughts?


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Well, I haven't seen her in a couple weeks. I haven't texted or called her either, per the advice I've received here. The thing is, I like to be proactive in situations like this you know? But I also realize that sometimes you've just got to stay away. I've been chasing some other girls, but I don't dig them as much as this one (of course). I know we'll cross paths again at some point, but the summer is slipping away & I'm finding it a little more difficult to "let it marinate" like retired rodeo & others have suggested. Thoughts?
Yeah, I have a thought: oneitis sucks.

Think about it.


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Sucks isn't a strong enough word. This is my first experience with oneitis & I literally despise myself for having it. It's 'effing pathetic. I've been crazy about girls that I've dated before, but this fleeting encounter has just gotten under my (normally thick) skin.


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