Yeah I think that one is the reason why their more choosey

Having nice things also shows that you have a good sense of style and enjoy some comforts in your life. That is attractive to girls...

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Bwahahahahaha.. Okay, I'm in an open relationship. Now, I'm the guy who's very much into BDSM and the sex described in that book is much like the sex I have with my girlfriend. She read it and told me so.

Now, to refute the main point of the original poster: The other guy that my girlfriend used to date is filthy rich, had a super-nice apartment, and had very little game and very vanilla bedroom skills. The guy ended up developing a huge case of one-itus for my girlfriend. He tried really, really hard to get her to dump me (offered to take her to France for a year, wrote a 15 page letter about how I was a bad person, offered to pay all of her expenses if she quit her job and moved in with him, etc).

She turned down every single one of his outrageous offers and has since stopped sleeping with him. Good game (and awesome sex) trumps wealth.

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Yep, you got it Detox; and Panda isn't the OP, I am.

You were right on the money about how he pulled claims out of his ass to make a straw argument; stuff like hygiene doesn't matter. WTF??!

Those 3 things he mentioned go without saying.

I'm obviously talking about guys who *are* doing all of that and were also led to believe, through sly bogus products, that money (which they don't have) is completely *irrelevant* and their lack of success must simply be bad luck.

I'm ripping on the "gurus" who peddle that BS because they're just as clueless as the ones who would fall for it.

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@Poo:

LOL . . . Name ONE guru that claims that your failures are based on 'bad luck'.

If there's one thing the guru's teach is that you don't have to be filthy rich in order to get with girls and that there are other responsible factors for why you fail, such as the bulletpoints I mentioned (see the relevance now?).

Taking everybody's arguments on here into consideration - name one stable argument to support your main point again. Go ahead.

Hey, a word of advice . . . Go find out for yourself.

You're using the 'money' excuse to blame it on your failures because admitting that there are certain things about you that you simply have to change is simply too hard to swallow. Have you tried meditation?

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"bad luck" ie. a guy who says:

"Why does it have to be just me who doesn't seem to get this stuff?!! I've been buying and reading/watching all of the products cover to cover, applied everything I've learned, even attended several bootcamps from several different companies and paid $1,000's of dollars on one-on-one coaching with the best names in the business, and I STILL can't even get the time of day from a girl anywhere I go!"

-- meanwhile they watch suave guys coast on through, valet their Audi's and Benzes at clubs, get out wearing full-on GQ outfits and a hot babe on each arm, fist bump the bouncer and sail right on through thr velvet ropes to their tables waiting for them, complete with private servers, bottle service, and basically anything they could want for the night."

Naaaaaw, those guys aren't getting ahead because of money. It's the hardheaded PUA wannabe chump who's bought and feverishly studied everything who just isn't trying hard enough! He just needs to keep at it, even if he's years in, thousands of dollars later, and not a lick of success, right?". (aka "unlucky")

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Wow, that is unfortunate.

Then again, one big thing about pickup is that you have to admit that if things aren't going well, it's your fault. The philosophies here are generally big on personal responsibility. So you are mad that you bought books, dvds, and seminars. You should be, that was basically all a waste. But...those guys do get laid. Clearly you are still angry at not getting laid, and that shows up quick in EVERY interaction with a girl you can have.


So yeah...looks like this post is just one big way of saying "I can't be wrong, no way, I'm epic. Clearly the gurus are the problem!"

Can I get a lock?

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I'm not that guy. Just saying that this is happening to a whole lot of guys, and I'm hearing it more than enough.

I personally didn't become successful until I started pitching the books, DVD sets, video files, and podcasts right into the garbage, not to mention stopping attending "lair nights."

But nonetheless, I still have to say I love your logic: it's all your fault.

The girl was just a bitch and just wanted to shoot you down with one-word answers: "It was your fault."

You broke through her "bitch shield" and got her to laugh, only to turn around and go right back logical on you: "It was your fault."

I suppose if she says "get lost", "fuck off", or something to that effect, it's a "shit test"

This is just genius; keeps bringing back memories of

http://lifestylejourney.blogspot.com/?m=1

And a thread-lock is a pretty pussy way to go, you've gotta admit. I'm sure most would agree that that way of closing out a thread should be reserved strictly for when personal attacks become too intense, or there're legal/defamation issues or something - should be very rare.

Otherwise, you're basically saying "I want to say with finality that you're a loser, you just want to complain and don't want to help yourself, and now I'm going to ask them to prohibit you from speaking up to defend yourself, making sure I have the last word."

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All those books and dvd's can help if you have the right mindset when you get into it. The most important aspect of pick up is general likeability. You need to be a likeable person.

If you are any type of social outcast that has not developed any social skills in life or have any one type of the many possible personality disorders, social disorders... etc etc, you will have difficulty using gimmicks, and routines as you do not have the correct mindset. If you can't be social for whatever reason then no line or move in any book is going to get you the girl.

Think of it this way, if you can't confidently go out into a city on your own and strike up a conversation with 5 random people, male or female, old or young, and enjoy it! (Perhaps even make some friends) You should not be trying to apply anyone's suggestion of routine, or techniques. You are simply not in the correct mindset. The people that are teaching it in the dvd's bootcamps, etc etc. Have the right mindset, it will work for them, anything will work if you're in the right mindset and understand the social parameters.

You may not be able to get the super hot chicks( based on looks, personality) but you sure as hell will be able to get laid.

If you first become the most likeable and attractive man you can possibly be you will have the right mindset, this is a certainty.

I believe anyone starting out that wants to get good with girls, must have a specific level of inner game and confidence before attempting to use others techniques and routines. In other words, get good at being you first.

Ironically, if you can achieve the correct mindset, you will not need to buy all that stuff.

Confidence cannot be taught, it cannot be passed on. It must be obtained by its keeper. Only you can find your confidence. Do whatever it takes to obtain it.

If you don't like yourself, why should anyone else?

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I'll second that. I've always contended that, while bootcamp/seminar success is widely disputed, most people who need pickup *the most* probably need to work on *themselves* a ton before even setting foot into a one-on-one coaching session, or picking up any product.

After all (which was kind of reverse for me) pickup showed me possibilities of how it can be different as better for some people, but following someone else's ideas wasn't *my* answer. I didn't start really making connections until I took my first pickup hiatus and just starter living my life.

Traditionally what I've seen, most guys who study who pickup, then end up becoming successful, are using Something so unique that by the time they develop it, it can hardly really even be called "pickup" anymore IMHO.

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Of course he will start blaming his economy on his failure with women, now that he has nothing else to blame it on.

However, it's not even about the x-amount bootcamps you've attended or the y-amount of money you've spent on PU in general.

There are guys that buy 1 book and get extraordinary success with women after a certain period of time and practice. There are other guys that read 50 books and get nowhere.

Bad luck? Or failure to apply correctly?

It all ties back to who YOU are as a person. If you're the mechanical kind of person who applies everything word by word (i.e a mathematician at heart) - you will lose. Because PU is not linear and because women (and human beings in general) don't work that way when it comes to emotions.

Combine the ^above, with the failure of accepting and understanding the above. Result? You will buy more books. You will attend more bootcamps. And you will STILL fail because you haven't changed ^that mindset of yours.

And what happens in the end? You start blaming it on ridiculous things such as 'money' or good looks - even though there has been evidence right from the start that there ARE people out there with neither looks or money that date gorgeous women. We've all seen it. We've all witnessed it. And we've all thought 'That's where I want to be!'.

You and only YOU are your only obstacle to becoming whatever you want in life.

As soon as you start blaming it on money, looks or anything else for that matter, you got a serious case of x-mentality/behavior that you simply have not discovered yet, or refuse to admit to yourself.

Ego is probably the biggest one in this community.

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Being a Tennis Player takes practice and understanding of the game.

Peace...

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