Hey guys,

So I was curious about what all this "Fifty Shades" "mommy porn" shut was all about...so i flipped through a few pages of a lady-friend's copy.

Oh yeah, there's for sure. All kinds of scenes like, "and the he bent me over the table, handcuffed me, pulled up my skirt, an yanked down my panites. 'Holy Cow! i thought!"

But guess what there's a whole lot (MORE) else of?

"OMG His kitchen was so sleek andd swanky! Stainless everything, and there were no seams, handles, or knobs on anything! I was in heaven!"

hate to break it to you guys, but hey man, this is straight from the horse's mouth.

ThIS IS WhAT WOMEN ACTUALLY WANT!!!

Fuck these so called gurus who say money is irrelevent. Car, maybe so, because you can hide that for a while if you drive a shitty one.

House/Apartment/Condo.............the jury is back, and the consensus is this: you take a chick back to a place any less than described above, get ready for a "Seeya!'

I dare anyone to refute me on this.

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I won't say it doesn't HELP cause it does help. Women value a man who can take care of himself and potentially her.

However, I'm trying to think of his name Savage something but he is homeless and did pickup out of a van... Imagine pulling a girl back to your van at the end of the night. LOL...Creepy! This guy got a ton of lays... so its not relevant depending on what you are wanting to do...there is a way to achieve some goals in PUA without money at all.

Not saying money is the end all be all of pickup cause you can clearly get the girls without it, but it certainly doesn't hurt to have it.

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So you flipped through a few pages of Fifty Shades and now you know that everything about PUA is wrong? Please, tell us more.
*insert pic of Willy Wonka here*

Should be stickied as Most Retarded Post of the Month hahah

I dare to refute you - -completely.

Here is all I know of this book: It plays into womans rape and dominance fantasy's. All other things being equal wealth is an additional indicator of fitness/high status.

Nothing about that goes against general teachings of game.

As an aside in my youth I used to live in a trash strewn penurious hovel and I never had one chick not give up the pussy based on the spartan environs. I heard a number of them complained about it post facto, but too late.

You've never seen examples that contradict exactly what you mentioned in the OP?

A man should have good hygiene.
A man should be able to take care of himself.
A man should have basic manners.

But being filthy rich? Completely irrelevant in the woman's choice on whether or not she wants you.

Also, notice in your own description up there: The woman didn't even know these 'bonus' things about the man up until the moment he was ripping her panties off.

I hope you realize how weak of an argument you made.

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Again between you and defy what is up with the borderline retarded serbo-croatian crowd on here? Maybe your the same guy.

Panda you might do yourself some more credit by actually reading what the OP actually said instead of your own silly version in an effort to be contrary.

None of these were mentioned by the OP and serve no purpose other then constructing a straw man argument based on a false premise. WTF said these things wern't important? I didn't say any of that. You pointing out the obvious then constructing a mischaracterization that I affirmed the antecedent is either ignorant or deceitful.
Again not relevant to my argument but you are a fool if you think they are completely irrelevant. Certainly wealth, just like looks, and other superficial manifestations of selection take a back seat to social value but that doesn't mean they are completely irrelevant. Again another ill conceived statement based on an argument I didn't make.

I think your only purpose of your post trolling was to show the forum crowd that you have some special insight based your expertise. I would advise you base your silly opinion on something someone actually said rather then a pontificate on an argument that was never made.

@ Detox: Are you the OP? I never even referred to you in the first place.
No, the OP didn't mention those things. I did. For the purpose of showing the difference between materialistic needs and actual needs in the woman's choice of a man. Your brain don't seem to compute the entirety of the context.
They are completely irrelevant. We're talking about a woman choosing to have sex with you, not a woman choosing to marry you or anything else for that matter. In the sexual sense, money does not matter at all because the money isn't what makes the woman's brain stimulate and translate into 'I now want to have sex with this man'. The qualities of the man do.

Go ahead and try picking up a woman by simply showing off a Rolex or a car. The only thing you'll ever get are gold diggers.
Read the OP again.
Now point out the irrelevance of the argument I made.

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Ok panda if you weren't referring to me then I apologize, I was wondering what we were disagreeing on anyways. I thought you may have just been Defy trolling my posts.

The first bit is right. Women love a man like that. Maybe not handcuff them but fucked them like a whore.

Can't see where how your kitchen handles fit into this...

I was chilling at reading some articles on AskMen (who are wrong 70% of the time btw) when I came across an interesting article about why women. Are more selective than men when it came to sex. Both genders agree they love it, want it, and try to have it as much as possible.

BUT, when a slightly above average female approached 20 college males with the direct question on "I want to have sex with you right now". 18/20 males agreed.

Now flip the gender roles and ZERO females agreed to the terms.

Why is this?

The theory is that men can come to orgasm fairly easily no matter the partner. Our orgasm is almost certain.

Women on the other hand are more picky about who they have sex with because their orgasms are much more difficult to come by. They want to do the best they can during the selection process to ensure they do intact climax.

Back to topic, ofcourse wealth matters to a woman. But it doesn't matter to her vagina.

You are basing your opinion from a fictional book. You obviously have limited experience with seduction. Living a wealthy lifestyle can certainly help with attaining attention from women, but inevitably it's still up to the man to seduce the target.

The one simple truth in these comments are that women do love to fantisize, they love to live within the confines of their imagination. This is why romance, fantasy novels are so big with women at any age.

Ultimately for seduction, a woman seeks certain personality traits and characteristics from a man rather then their financial standings. You can have a big house and fancy car, but if you cannot enter the woman's mind and and stimulate her thoughts, you will not get anywhere.

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Actually I thought it was commonly accepted knowledge from evolutionary biology that woman are more selective in sexual partners due to sex have exponentially greater physical consequences to woman in the state of nature. Woman gestation period is 9 months at which time they are extremely vulnerable and many woman, before modern medicine, died in childbirth. They also wanted to select a man who was going to stick around and protect them for a while after the birth.

We can all agree that askmen and most of these gay magazines for the non-gay metro man are full of shit.

The reason a dude can go into a bar and ask 20 women to fuck and get none of them to say yes is because women get approached all the time. They can just wait until someone better comes along (which will be like within minutes usually). Now a woman can go into a bar and ask 20 dudes to fuck and she will always pull at least 15 of them. Why? Because it's free sex without having to work for it. Men have to work for sex, women don't. So, when we get a free offer, we always are going to take her up on it (unless she's dog ugly). It's like getting a pay-check without having to work that week. We are going to take it almost every time.

This all says nothing about how women and men are attracted sexually. It's not good enough to be "hot" as a man to attract a woman. So even if a dude is some tall, handsome GQ dude with six-pack abs, he still is not going to pull 20 women in by merely asking for sex (yeah he will do better than 0, but it wont be anywhere close to 20). This is because women are generally attracted verbally (wealth only matters when she wants more than sex). Men, of course, are 100% physical. Where sex is concerned, her looks is the only consideration we make. Period. Not so with women.

So, whenever I hear women say "there is a double standard" with men sleeping around vs. women sleeping around, I say the double standard is justified. Why? Because we have to work for sex, they don't. They are on sex welfare, while we all have to work overtime.

I think I will make a sign that says "Will Work for sex" and then go stand on a corner downtown.

Makes sense. But so does the askmen theory.

In the end it's all theory really.