Yikes, enough flirting you two. haha, kidding.

But really, take it to PM's. I'd like it if this thread doesn't end up locked because it turns into an argument. If it gets locked, then it helps no one.

It's a great post, between Meth's awesome original post, and the real advice that followed. It could be a good resource for the clueless dudes out there. But let's keep it that way rather than turn it into a pseudo-pissing contest.

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You're right Muse, this thread has potential, AND can still be used.

Great post Meth !!!

Its good to hear a woman perspective... Jen

Its good to have a PUA perspective... L.A. Tripp

YOU TWO (JEN AND LA) shared your thoughts now its turn to others to discuss the topic.

L.A. your not going to change Jen s way of thinking and Jen your not going to change L.A. way of thinking so stop arguing about it, we all have different ideas and perspectives about sex. So from now on... I want this topic to be discussed by the rest of the members.

I ask both of you to stop posting replies about each others opinions... You two can post but if you disagree with something said by any of you I invite you to continue your discussions in a private way. (PM)

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Well said Meth. Sex is very important to the relationship and if you can't perform there, then it's gonna fall apart, so putting effort in and being empowered and empowering her is a good thing. I personally make David Shade's material a cornerstone in my game and it revolves around sex, that's WHAT he teaches, not pickup.

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haha dude i love it when girls join this place. remember that whole Claire thread? and now this. this is better then any sitcom ever.

haha poor meth, his thread was indeed hijacked. a gread piece of educational material torn to shreads by a self-richous feline and an almost defensive mod. if he was actually effected by anything that strange yet not entirely incorrect little girl said. which i do not think he was. she thinks he was tho. and thats whats important. I gotta say, even tho the arguement was pointless, i was kinda indifferent till she lowered herself to a personal attack. some people just have slow metabalisms jen! haha good shit boys.

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I don't buy this line of reasoning because I can't afford to, and neither can the other members of the forum. This idea that men cannot naturally bring the same amount of pleasure to a woman during coitus than she can alone with a pink rabbit shaped buzzy thing (wtf?) is a poison pill, a dangerous seed of doubt that can very easily take root in the back of a man's mind. If this was the Matrix, it would be the Blue pill, the perfect sedative to keep an AFC stuck in the quagmire of his own self doubt and inadequacies with regards to women.

Tripp and Meth have both expressed their opinions and experiences in an attempt to convey just how important it is to believe the opposite. Meth made this thread to clue us in on how to properly set the mood, so that we may achieve better and more enjoyable results in the bedroom for both man and woman. To say that men somehow inhibit the pleasure of women makes all of this seem moot and pointless.

Nevertheless parts of your message contain shades of truth, otherwise it would not be so compelling as to invoke such impassioned replies in the thread. Such messages are also often used in other areas such as political propaganda, often to great success. So this is just me giving a public service announcement in the form of a rebuttal: Men CAN and DO give great pleasure to women, far more than women can give to themselves alone. It takes practice and dedication like any other skill in life, but regardless of experience men should always approach the bedroom of a woman with the confidence and the knowledge that he CAN and WILL give her pleasure. To think otherwise is an invitation for performance anxiety and failure, and an invitation for mother nature to "unapologetically weed your genes out of existence" as Mystery would say.

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PrettyBoy, please don't re-fuel the fire... nothing positive will come from it.

That should go out to all others viewing this thread as well, any attempts at re-intstigating a fight... or further hijacking, with flame wars, insults, or the like will be in violation of the forum rules, and will result in a personal warning. Repeat offenses will be cause for administrative action.

Lets just get back on point people or don't post... several great points have been brought up from several different view points. Lets keep with the positive and educational theme this thread was intended to have.

I was just curious.. it's nice to have a woman's perspective and I assume by you're comments that you're bi but with favor towards the straight side.

As for what you said, I understand the first and last part.. but for the best, I'm more curious on that one as more than 75% of the girls i've been with have been bi and I've heard quite that when bi that's generally the case because women generally know what women like much better.. but as for the straight side, while we don't have batteries (at least i hope not) I'd like your opinion on further detail in terms of the "best" aspect.

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Meth,

Really great post. I'm going to try a few of these out on my own.

Your comments on candlelight are right on.

Morning sex can be just as expressive as candlelight sex. Some women won't want to do it in the morning because you both puffy and a bit dirty and have bad breath and it's too bright. This is coming from a perfectionist who DID NOT want to have anything to do with morning exploits... don't give a fuck and just fuck. If you believe it, she will believe it. Now I'm obsessed with it. (Does not work on all women, obviously, because pretty much nothing has that honor.)

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Great post Meth.

But one point I'd like to make. I don't do anything with her brown eye, she doesn't do anything with mine.

I've never found it necessary. Not only is it unsanitary and can lead to serious infections, etc.., it's an abusive practice in my view. I find it sometimes amazing that some women allow themselves to be treated in this way. To each his own I guess.

I'm less surprised that many guys would choose to engage in such behavior. Some guys even claim they know women that like it. In that respect I'm sure you can find fruitcakes out there that would like a firecracker stuck up their ass too. You know, if it would get them on American idol or something.

I'll pass.

Hey Zip, do you care to comment on this practice from a woman's perspective?

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Some pro-facts for this discussion. 30% of all females never have experienced an orgasm. 70% of all females have never experienced an orgasm through intercourse. Also, over 50% of women have faked orgasms.

You're right. Most men are hopeless and truly don't get it. Some of it is pride, and they want to feel like they are actually "pleasing" their women sufficiently. Truth is, she isn't satisfied.

I'm going to state this one time for all you folks out there. Grab a pen and a piece of paper.

Female sexuality is 100% mental.

I suggest most of you cats to read a book called "The Secrets of Female Sexuality" by David Shade. You'll learn some shit.

99% mental..

95% mental..

91% mental.. Ok I can buy that.

100% mental? That's takes the physical act out of the equation entirely. And without adequate stimulation in the right places, with the right technique and for the right amount of time most women will simply not have an orgasm no matter how much they want too.

It would be similar to you trying to have an orgasm by whacking your forearm or something. Certain nerve endings and neural pathways must be stimulated. And other than cracking the head open, currently the only way to do it is where the action is.

Beyond that, I'll agree that most guys concentrate too much on the physical and not enough on the mental aspects of warming a woman up, making her feel comfortable, etc...

Only in the man is an orgasm required for copulation. Although it's helpful to point out that some research has suggested that the female orgasm plays a role in helping sperm reach the uterus, though the movement of, or the tilting of the cervix, etc...

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I'll quote you this my friend, and the rest of you take notes. That research is correct, and it's why it's important to us males that we make women have orgasms. To give us a better chance of reproducing.

This passage can be found on page 82 of The Secrets of Female Sexuality.

This is some powerful shit folks, and if you don't pick up this book, don't say shit when your girl/lover/spouse finds another person to fulfill her needs.

So in essence, how you fuck isn't what's going to give her an orgasm. You could be the best lay in her life, and if you don't appeal to that mental side, you aren't going to please her. So it boils down to 100% mentally.

nope. no comment whatsoever.

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