No anger, it's all love.
My feelings exactly.

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Yes, I do. You're posting on a website that's all about picking up women and you're being coy about details like that?

Not to mention that if a poor chap spends hours looking for every little detail he's gonna forget where he is. You don't NEED that much detail. You need to get a feel for it, and go for natural, not prescriptive. That's the flaw in too much of this advice - you're looking for definitive where you should be feeling it, baby!
...I meant from the perspective of women.
I know a few guys that'll do oral for hours. And it's still quicker with a toy.

Doctor - good point, but you're looking from the wrong direction. To understand a woman in bed, you need to know why we fake it. Now that, I don't have time for - go find some books and read them! Until then - accept that we will fake it. The female orgasm is only in it's infancy.

Doc, I couldn't agree more. Communication is a HUGE factor in having great sex. I've said it before and I'll say it again: If I'm with a girl and the clothes have come off, I'm pretty damn sure I'm going to get off. So that's not a huge concern of mine. I'm there to have fun, and make sure she's having a good time too. You've got to be able to tailor each experience to the desires of the person you're with.

Of course I've had a couple of one night stands, but it's so much more rewarding, and the sex is always more fun when you start to get to know the person better and can really trust them with what you like and don't like. And vice versa. That's why I prefer relationships, whether they be short or long, you build that trust and comfort to be able to communicate freely. Communication is something I really encourage with the girls I get naked with.

Not to say that you can't communicate with an ONS, but like I've said, it just feels more rewarding and fun when you've got the ability to go at it more than once or twice so you really get to know the other person.

Now as far as sex outside goes, and the girl dreaming of a nice warm bed with no twigs up her ass... Well... any and all sex I've had outside of the bedroom hasn't really been initiated by me. Again I think you're making a generalization about women based on your own likes and dislikes. And like it's been said before, the sex I've had, the majority (i'd say 90%) has been in the bedroom.

Concerning oral sex vs. fingers: It's taken me a lot of practice to get good with my fingers, but when it's good you can tell through a ton of different factors. Body language being the big one, the things she says and noises she makes and whatnot to a lesser extent, but you get the idea. Oral sex is something, i think unlike most guys, that I like to give. Because it's easy to get a girl off before even going in to seal the deal. Plus, it's alot easier to get head in return for your willingness to go down on a girl with your tongue haha. Hours of oral is way too long. If you can't get the job done in under 15 minutes then I think you should change up your technique, or find another way to please her. Maybe you are doing a stellar job, but perhaps there's just a twig up her ass. Make sure she removes it, factors that take comfort away from the experience can be a bitch and really fuck with her mood.

I try not to trust what a chick says afterward because if you haven't been paying attention to the other signals(body language and etc) then it could just be something to stroke your ego as man. Which is nice, but I always find more satisfaction with the job that I've done when a gal collapses on the bed and takes 10 minutes just to catch her breath after a good O(with some great EC and a smile plastered on her face of course!). haha.

Overall, glad to read some of your advice. This thread, I think, can be really beneficial to the guys who are clueless that stumble upon it. You said you could elaborate for hours. Go ahead!

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Jen, do you enjoy contradicting yourself? First, telling men that they need to watch for those details to know if a woman is "really" enjoying it, then telling me to not watch the details . . . but it's "all about the feeling".

I'm not being coy. I have, at other places and times on here, explained certain details. I'm not going into intimate details on every thread. That's just ridiculous. Also, I could literally write a book on how to please a woman sexually, but you know what? It's already been done, and we promote that very book. So did I. LMAO. OF COURSE A TOY IS QUICKER THAN A GUY GOING DOWN ON YOU FOR HOURS! Duh! You completely missed my point!

My poor thread has been hi-jacked...

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This thread keeps on getting better and better its true women do fake it for variety of reasons whether 1.They're are really not into it at the moment 2. They're just doing it to shut you up 3. You just really suck at it and they want it to be over with fast.

Women can fake it for whatever reason as long as I got mine thats all that matters

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Thugnificent, just so ya know, you're a EDITED by L.A. Tripp for slander against a fellow member. Meth, you know better.

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Muse, you've made some excellent points bro. That look on the woman's face when she truly is satisfied is a one-of-a-kind thing. It's precious. It's priceless, really. The legs shaking from the experience and the breathlessness are icing, lol.

"Hate it or love it the underdogs on top!!"

thats all I got to say

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(L.A Tripp, you're so keen on control, it's making you get annoyed by my messages. Now, if you're like that on a forum, it probably translates to the bedroom. You want nice answers, everything in nice slots.

Of course I'll contradict myself. It's my female perogative, honey. But that's what I mean - you're asking me for direct answers about what womankind wants in bed. These are tips - not definitive statements.

Muse is better in bed than you are. By quite some way I'd imagine. You've got to lose that desperation to be right and in control. )

And sooo....if a toy can do it better and quicker, why do we want a man? Start at that point - and think about the psychology of what a woman wants. If you want to go beyond basic tricks and tips, then you need to explore, and embrace feminism.

Starting things to think about - What instincts drive a woman to have sex with a man? Understand and satisfy the urges that go further back than basic stimulation. Explore the history of women and sex, find frank and open opinions from women that you haven't slept with.

Speaking of icing on the cake, here's an analogy for the original post.

I'll use one my favorite kinds of cake. Vanilla with rainbow sprinkles.

You set your eyes on this fine piece of art. You see the texture, the amazing color, the perfect proportions. It's so inviting.

You smell the fragrance and it calls you to come to it. The mixture of scents, of flavors starts your mind racing.

Then you touch it, and feel the texture, the firmness, yet softness. You feel how moist it is. It becomes almost putty in your hands, for you to explore, taste, mold, lick, nibble.

It enters your mouth and the sweet taste explodes. The moistness warms you. The way it crumbles sets your blood racing. As each sprinkle dissolves, the precious rush of excitement starts your blood boiling. You're ready to show this cake what pleasure really means.

Then, you add the icing to the top and . . .

Jen, are you threatened by the fact that I'm in control? As a matter of fact there are six of us in control on this forum. We're called mods, and the overall owner.

And, no, your messages don't annoy me, it's your closed mindedness that does. Yet, you accuse us of being closed minded.

...And then you sit down, as it dissolves into your throat, melting inside you.

As you do, you catch a glimpse of yourself in the mirror - your thighs bulge ever so slightly over the top of your jeans, fleshy lumps spilling out onto the pavement. You grab at them, disdainful eyes pour scorn over the gelatinous stomach hidden above.

The cake, as beautiful as it was, and still is, mocks you - I'm still here, it seems to say. An advert catches your eye - a slim blonde, attractive, airbrushed legs taunting you. She's watching you and laughing - men don't go for women who obsess over cakes, she says. Go on - stuff it in!

[/female perspective]

As I said . . . closed mindedness.

Women do love well written stories though. And, if you deny that one, you're lying through your teeth.

I'd love a well written story, but not from you sweetheart. Your story would be all boasting, proving a point - nothing true in it at all.

Why do you feel the need to tell us you're a mod? It's written clearly in your sig. Go on, tell us again. Just in case we missed it.

Close minded - what, to the possibility that you're a sex god? Come on darling, You've still got something to prove to yourself.