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I dont know, ive seen guys fight in the bars over women, and it did nothing more than make the women giggle. Women actually enjoy starting fights between two guys.
Women will cause fight and shit test guys(bf) or guys pursuing them with jealousy plots, giving dtf vibes and iois to strangers, to fuck with the guy they are with causing a lot of fights in clubs and bar... Any type of fight in a bar or club is unattractive and lower value.
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In Cotto's case, he's not a loser, even if he lost the fight. He's still a bigger winner than most of us, so I dont think that would change anything. She could end up hating mayweather for beating her man to a pulp too.
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The real question would be, say a guy working at mcdonalds, he happens to score a hot chick through pua techniques. Then he is out with her at the movies one night and they run into a celebrtiy. A rich good looking, popular celeb, now THAT would make you wonder what would happen.
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I remember being on a beach one time, and my friend and his fiance were hanging out, and along comes Celeb(wont say his name), and the girl was turning all her body language over to the celeb. She wouldnt even hold hands with her fiance, while the guy was there.
^ he was an afc or rafc
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I felt so bad for my friend, she couldn't help herself from trying to show the celeb she was either single, or willing to change her status, or just awestruct by the celeb.
As i said your friend is an afc or rafc...That girl does not respect him, i hope he dump her ass, but i be you he did not..
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I tend to think if the celeb wanted her, he would have had her, right then and there if he wanted to.
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You guys saw the Mayweather and Cotto fight last night. If you didn't, WTH is wrong with you!?

Anyways, they were showing Cotto's wife and she was smoking. Cotto lost, Mayweather won. I've always wondered what it would be like for the female in these types of situations... but what happens to Cotto's wife in terms of attraction? Does it drop a little and does she become more attracted to Mayweather?

If she were to cheat, would she cheat on her husband with Mayweather?

Women like winners, not losers.

(And yes, this is a serious question. No troll.)
I dont know, ive seen guys fight in the bars over women, and it did nothing more than make the women giggle. Women actually enjoy starting fights between two guys.

In Cotto's case, he's not a loser, even if he lost the fight. He's still a bigger winner than most of us, so I dont think that would change anything. She could end up hating mayweather for beating her man to a pulp too.

The real question would be, say a guy working at mcdonalds, he happens to score a hot chick through pua techniques. Then he is out with her at the movies one night and they run into a celebrtiy. A rich good looking, popular celeb, now THAT would make you wonder what would happen.

I remember being on a beach one time, and my friend and his fiance were hanging out, and along comes Celeb(wont say his name), and the girl was turning all her body language over to the celeb. She wouldnt even hold hands with her fiance, while the guy was there.

I felt so bad for my friend, she couldn't help herself from trying to show the celeb she was either single, or willing to change her status, or just awestruct by the celeb.

I tend to think if the celeb wanted her, he would have had her, right then and there if he wanted to.
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Trying to compare fighting that is part of an agreed sport to guys fighting in bars doesn't work. It's a whole different ball game in terms of emotions, risk, legality and so the feelings of everyone watching (or involved in) a boxing match differ massively to the feelings of individuals watching a bar brawl.

Most women don't enjoy starting fights, there may be a couple of sections of female society who enjoy the drama, but generally most healthy adults do what they can do avoid random violence. Especially when they are trying to enjoy a night out.


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I dont know, ive seen guys fight in the bars over women, and it did nothing more than make the women giggle. Women actually enjoy starting fights between two guys.

In Cotto's case, he's not a loser, even if he lost the fight. He's still a bigger winner than most of us, so I dont think that would change anything. She could end up hating mayweather for beating her man to a pulp too.

The real question would be, say a guy working at mcdonalds, he happens to score a hot chick through pua techniques. Then he is out with her at the movies one night and they run into a celebrtiy. A rich good looking, popular celeb, now THAT would make you wonder what would happen.

I remember being on a beach one time, and my friend and his fiance were hanging out, and along comes Celeb(wont say his name), and the girl was turning all her body language over to the celeb. She wouldnt even hold hands with her fiance, while the guy was there.

I felt so bad for my friend, she couldn't help herself from trying to show the celeb she was either single, or willing to change her status, or just awestruct by the celeb.

I tend to think if the celeb wanted her, he would have had her, right then and there if he wanted to.
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Trying to compare fighting that is part of an agreed sport to guys fighting in bars doesn't work. It's a whole different ball game in terms of emotions, risk, legality and so the feelings of everyone watching (or involved in) a boxing match differ massively to the feelings of individuals watching a bar brawl.

Most women don't enjoy starting fights, there may be a couple of sections of female society who enjoy the drama, but generally most healthy adults do what they can do avoid random violence. Especially when they are trying to enjoy a night out.
As i said the women are not trying to start a fight, they want to show they are wanted and attractive, it happens very very frequent in bars and clubs, they are with a dude, boyfriend or date or guy they are seeing, and they will shit test the dude, by giving iois, dtf vibes too strangers to get them to peruse them, so the dude they are with gets jealous or see that they are wanted... Now, a very small % are looking to a start a fight or altercation...Women are attention whores...

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As i said the women are not trying to start a fight, they want to show they are wanted and attractive, it happens very very frequent in bars and clubs, they are with a dude, boyfriend or date or guy they are seeing, and they will shit test the dude, by giving iois, dtf vibes too strangers to get them to peruse them, so the dude they are with gets jealous or see that they are wanted... Now, a very small % are looking to a start a fight or altercation...Women are attention whores...
You need to meet a better class of women, the girls you've been hanging out with sound horrible.


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As i said the women are not trying to start a fight, they want to show they are wanted and attractive, it happens very very frequent in bars and clubs, they are with a dude, boyfriend or date or guy they are seeing, and they will shit test the dude, by giving iois, dtf vibes too strangers to get them to peruse them, so the dude they are with gets jealous or see that they are wanted... Now, a very small % are looking to a start a fight or altercation...Women are attention whores...
You need to meet a better class of women, the girls you've been hanging out with sound horrible.
you need to go on the field and OBSERVE and INTERACT for years, then you will understand... Why do you think clubs have bouncers, or just talk to one or two bouncers you know and pick their brains...Finally, be humble you may learn a thing or two..

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Finally, be humble you may learn a thing or two..
You've said it all for me!

Bouncers are employed to help resolve conflict and manage the door, the existence of a civil security industry does not do anything to further your world-view.


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Finally, be humble you may learn a thing or two..
You've said it all for me!

Bouncers are employed to help resolve conflict and manage the door, the existence of a civil security industry does not do anything to further your world-view.

Yes! thanks for clarifying what a bouncer is, my point was since to cut your years of interacting and observing and experience(love the new threat you made about yourself "other side of the fence"), go and pick the brain of one or two of them, that they see it all, since obviously, you have no idea of what i explained..Or better yet, talk to an attractive women and explain to her what i just wrote above... Tell her some dude name skills or just some dude, says that women like to get guys jealous from time to time, and like to show they are wanted by other guys to impress or shit test a guy they are pursuing, make sure you explain that they do this is with guy they really like or want...Or just ask a dude that gets LAID, couple of dudes here that get laid you may want to ask: little panda, sex addict... Pm me that "oh shit skills you were right" ok... thank you!
I can go on and on of my own examples, but that would be bias, here is by little panda, you will see what i am talking about when she says " your friend try to kiss me", again dude be humble, i have been clubbing for 17 years, in all type of clubs, by the way i do not mind discussing a subject, you do not have to go and make another subject on the lounge, come talk to me right here dude:

fr-humbleness-vt134860.html?highlight=


Edit i just ask the sexman to confirm here is what he said:

if a dude is not giving his girl enough attention lately
and they go to a club
she'll try for sure to show she is desired by others
its natural

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Yes! thanks for clarifying what a bouncer is, my point was since to cut your years of interacting and observing and experience(love the new threat you made about yourself "other side of the fence"), go and pick the brain of one or two of them, that they see it all, since obviously, you have no idea of what i explained..Or better yet, talk to an attractive women and explain to her what i just wrote above... Tell her some dude name skills or just some dude, says that women like to get guys jealous from time to time, and like to show they are wanted by other guys to impress or shit test a guy they are pursuing, make sure you explain that they do this is with guy they really like or want...Or just ask a dude that gets LAID, couple of dudes here that get laid you may want to ask: little panda, sex addict... Pm me that "oh shit skills you were right" ok... thank you!
I can go on and on of my own examples, but that would be bias, here is by little panda, you will see what i am talking about when she says " your friend try to kiss me", again dude be humble, i have been clubbing for 17 years, in all type of clubs, by the way i do not mind discussing a subject, you do not have to go and make another subject on the lounge, come talk to me right here dude:

fr-humbleness-vt134860.html?highlight=


Edit i just ask the sexman to confirm here is what he said:

if a dude is not giving his girl enough attention lately
and they go to a club
she'll try for sure to show she is desired by others
its natural
That thread was not aimed at you, but at the dangers of using PUA frameworks as a basis for understanding human beings rather than simple conventional socialisation.

You however do not have this problem as you -from what I recall- started pick up after a divorce, which means you have probably led a normal life and your relatively healthy background is what has led to your success compared to the living-with-mom awkward as hell 16 year old's who normally pursue PU.

So of course girls enjoy seeing guys jealous but guys enjoy that to. That feeling of being sexually and romantically wanted is what drives most people to pick up in the first place! Usually however the woman's enjoyment of this gets seen more because culturally speaking the women are the selectors. Most people think of romance as boy meets girl and girl decides whether she likes boy. And so women -in particular hot women who know they are hot and have the habit of using that- get more of a chance to make guys jealous.

And speaking as an SIA license holder, the reality of security work, is standing outside shuffling people through listening to the same tunes night in night out and then when something inside happens there is a lot of shouting, you go inside escort the problem out and if you are un-lucky the said idiot will stand their moaning and then wander of provided the police don't turn up.

There is a real irony where you ask me to be humble. When what you really mean is "I believe I know more about PU than you, so listen to me" then you told me to ask bouncers, not realising I have bounced in my life and I know that the only thing you learn from bouncing is how to argue with drunk people (i.e. Don't bother).

A better solution would be for us to admit we have different views on the subject and keep it there, rather than try and play this guessing game of you are X, I am Y.

As said before, the "other side of the fence" post isn't about you. It's in fact about people who are the precise opposite of you. That post was a long time in the making, it was just unfortunate that it was only after this debate that I had the required post count to put it up in the lounge.


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Yes! thanks for clarifying what a bouncer is, my point was since to cut your years of interacting and observing and experience(love the new threat you made about yourself "other side of the fence"), go and pick the brain of one or two of them, that they see it all, since obviously, you have no idea of what i explained..Or better yet, talk to an attractive women and explain to her what i just wrote above... Tell her some dude name skills or just some dude, says that women like to get guys jealous from time to time, and like to show they are wanted by other guys to impress or shit test a guy they are pursuing, make sure you explain that they do this is with guy they really like or want...Or just ask a dude that gets LAID, couple of dudes here that get laid you may want to ask: little panda, sex addict... Pm me that "oh shit skills you were right" ok... thank you!
I can go on and on of my own examples, but that would be bias, here is by little panda, you will see what i am talking about when she says " your friend try to kiss me", again dude be humble, i have been clubbing for 17 years, in all type of clubs, by the way i do not mind discussing a subject, you do not have to go and make another subject on the lounge, come talk to me right here dude:

fr-humbleness-vt134860.html?highlight=


Edit i just ask the sexman to confirm here is what he said:

if a dude is not giving his girl enough attention lately
and they go to a club
she'll try for sure to show she is desired by others
its natural
That thread was not aimed at you, but at the dangers of using PUA frameworks as a basis for understanding human beings rather than simple conventional socialisation.

You however do not have this problem as you -from what I recall- started pick up after a divorce, which means you have probably led a normal life and your relatively healthy background is what has led to your success compared to the living-with-mom awkward as hell 16 year old's who normally pursue PU.

So of course girls enjoy seeing guys jealous but guys enjoy that to. That feeling of being sexually and romantically wanted is what drives most people to pick up in the first place! Usually however the woman's enjoyment of this gets seen more because culturally speaking the women are the selectors. Most people think of romance as boy meets girl and girl decides whether she likes boy. And so women -in particular hot women who know they are hot and have the habit of using that- get more of a chance to make guys jealous.

And speaking as an SIA license holder, the reality of security work, is standing outside shuffling people through listening to the same tunes night in night out and then when something inside happens there is a lot of shouting, you go inside escort the problem out and if you are un-lucky the said idiot will stand their moaning and then wander of provided the police don't turn up.

There is a real irony where you ask me to be humble. When what you really mean is "I believe I know more about PU than you, so listen to me" then you told me to ask bouncers, not realising I have bounced in my life and I know that the only thing you learn from bouncing is how to argue with drunk people (i.e. Don't bother).

A better solution would be for us to admit we have different views on the subject and keep it there, rather than try and play this guessing game of you are X, I am Y.

As said before, the "other side of the fence" post isn't about you. It's in fact about people who are the precise opposite of you. That post was a long time in the making, it was just unfortunate that it was only after this debate that I had the required post count to put it up in the lounge.


Have a nice day. :D

I been doing pick up since i am 15 i am 36 now, got married around 28. anyways, the whole point is that sometimes girls, accidentally cause fights at clubs, in some cases by trying to get the dude jealous, you said, "you need better quality girls" or something like that, and that statement make no sense to me...So i said to be humble in the context of my girls are better than yours kind of thing... But anyways we are cool..

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I been doing pick up since i am 15 i am 36 now, got married around 28. anyways, the whole point is that sometimes girls, accidentally cause fights at clubs, in some cases by trying to get the dude jealous, you said, "you need better quality girls" or something like that, and that statement make no sense to me...So i said to be humble in the context of my girls are better than yours kind of thing... But anyways we are cool..
As far as I know the "pick up community" didn't exist until 1994.. I think you mean you were "chasing girls" and then found the seduction community.

What was meant by the "better girls" comment was really a playful remark on how you had -probably unintentionally- described women as some people that most wouldn't want to spend time around.


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I been doing pick up since i am 15 i am 36 now, got married around 28. anyways, the whole point is that sometimes girls, accidentally cause fights at clubs, in some cases by trying to get the dude jealous, you said, "you need better quality girls" or something like that, and that statement make no sense to me...So i said to be humble in the context of my girls are better than yours kind of thing... But anyways we are cool..
As far as I know the "pick up community" didn't exist until 1994.. I think you mean you were "chasing girls" and then found the seduction community.

What was meant by the "better girls" comment was really a playful remark on how you had -probably unintentionally- described women as some people that most wouldn't want to spend time around.
"pick up community" is a bunch of people that got together to break stuff down.. but there has been pick up since the beginning of time...

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I been doing pick up since i am 15 i am 36 now, got married around 28. anyways, the whole point is that sometimes girls, accidentally cause fights at clubs, in some cases by trying to get the dude jealous, you said, "you need better quality girls" or something like that, and that statement make no sense to me...So i said to be humble in the context of my girls are better than yours kind of thing... But anyways we are cool..
As far as I know the "pick up community" didn't exist until 1994.. I think you mean you were "chasing girls" and then found the seduction community.

What was meant by the "better girls" comment was really a playful remark on how you had -probably unintentionally- described women as some people that most wouldn't want to spend time around.
"pick up community" is a bunch of people that got together to break stuff down.. but there has been pick up since the beginning of time...
Exactly. When you think back, I'll bet you find you ran MANY of the same plays, but someone finally put a name to them.

PUA as a science has evolved exponentially in the past decade, granted - but the act of has been documented for centuries.

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Shane got his ass whooped but he's still going to go home and fuck his fiance. And she going to be around for his millions.

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I aint mad at him she's fine as hell

It would be different if they were out fighting for their lady's honor and got beat up then I could see her losing some respect. But they were fighting because it's their job. Plus do you really think mosely, cotto, and mayweather's fiance/wives are with them just because of their great looks and personality No! They're with them because they're rich.

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This is a terrible mindset to have in life.

The idea you think girls are going to leave you over something as insignificant as a fight in his career.

Lose this mindset, the only 'loser', as you mentioned, in this post is going to be yourself.

She's going to leave the man she loves (or has money as Reo said :P) because he lost one fight in his career.

He's not a loser anyway, he's a successful professional boxer worth millions. He's a winner, successful.


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You guys saw the Mayweather and Cotto fight last night. If you didn't, WTH is wrong with you!?

Anyways, they were showing Cotto's wife and she was smoking. Cotto lost, Mayweather won. I've always wondered what it would be like for the female in these types of situations... but what happens to Cotto's wife in terms of attraction? Does it drop a little and does she become more attracted to Mayweather?

If she were to cheat, would she cheat on her husband with Mayweather?

Women like winners, not losers.

(And yes, this is a serious question. No troll.)
haha exactly, his wife will have 'made' him feel better.

Also boxers generally become abstinent for a few weeks before matches so I'm guessing she's wrapped around his finger wanting to get some dick in her.

Actually Tyganasty, read Way of Superior Man, that'll explain a few things for you.

You'll realise that if he came home and had won YET he didnt take the trash out that night, she'd be pissed off!! Girls dont give a fuck about your career but your career stabilises YOU and gives YOU and ONLY you purpose in your life.

Because someone lost a fight is not a loser, second, women have a motherly nature she will be all over him, kissing his ass and trying to cheer him up... For example, I once got laid for the first time when i got ridicule and embarrassed by a brother of a girl i liked and i felt like shit afterwards, to my surprise it work in me getting laid with her for the first time... I do martial arts when i come home with a broken leg, nose, black eye i notice my gf or girls i was dating caring, affection etc... increases...


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