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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:28 am 
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First of I would like to say that this is my first post.

I have been reading about game for over a year now, but have never really put it into practice. I am an AFC nice guy, with moderate approach anxiety. I recently went out on a first date with a girl, and the experience of the date and afterwards have had a very profound effect on me.

I will supply some background.

I have very little dating, relationship, or sexual experience. I go on very few dates, and although I try to project confidence, I am INCREDIBLY desperate. My friend Natalie calls me up, and says that she has a great girl she would like to set me up with. Natalie feels she is perfect for me. She is an accountant (I am sort of), she is Jewish (I'm Jewish), and Natalie feels that we have similar personalities and backgrounds.

She tells me that Lynn is expecting my call, and we should set up a date. I phone Lynn, and we talk for about 12 minutes. Small talk, like where we went to school and hobbies, etc. She did not seem hesitant to meet me on a blind date. We set something up for the next week. She is an accountant, and extremely busy around April. I told her I would call her the day before, to set up the specific plans.

When I phoned her, we talked for about 10 minutes. The conversation was comfortable, and she seemed genuine and honest. I asked her what she would like to do (Mistake, Iknow.) We set something up for dinner (I know, it should have been drinks) near her place. (also a mistake).

I told myself that I would be confident, not care about the outcome of the date, and be relaxed, and ready to escalate/kino etc. By the way this was a real blind date. (We specifically didn't exchange last names so that we could not look eachother up on Facebook. This was her idea, and I thought it was pretty cool. We both agreed that the Jewish community can be detrimental to dating, because everyone knows eachother, and has lots of opinions, stories, etc. about othe rpeople and can sabotage a relationship from the get go.) Most of the Jewish girls I have dated hate me now, and I figure they shit talk me to girls.

When I saw her I was surprised. She was very attractive, maybe a 7, but exactly my type. Dark hair and features, and her didn't seem uptight. I told myself to hug her, but I shook her hand like a pussy. We sat down, and talked for a bit. I already knew that I "liked" her personality before meeting. I think we both felt a connection over the phone. The date lasted 90 minutes. We talked, but nothing to personal, laughed a little, and I felt that she seemed to like me. I played in safe, didn't neg or really disagree with her.

Also, she told me that she cancelled a plan with a friend to go on this date.

Then I made my second mistake, which I promised myself I would not do. I paid for dinner, even though she offered to pay for half. We left and she walked me to the subway. I promised myself I would kiss her, what did I have to lose. When the moment came to separate, I hugged her instead. It was a warm hug, and she recipricated, then I put my hand on her hip and said I would call her to get together again. She looked in my eyes, smiled and said sure.

I waited two days to call her. I know, I should have texted, but I'm an idiot. Lynn didn't answer. I waited for her to call back. I was so anxious and upset. She never called. Two days later, I called her again, but still no response. She always picked up before the date.

Natalie told me not to worry. Lynn is really busy at work, and told Natalie that she liked me, wanted a second date, and said "I hope he doesn't hate me because I've been to busy to call back. I don't want to be in a rush when I phone him"

Finally she calls me. This time, the rapport wasn't as strong. She seemed like she was calling me out of courtesy. 2 minutes into the call, I asked her if she wanted to go out again soon. She said she was too busy this week. That I should call her next week.

When I called her, she actually answered to my surprise. She was a work. She told me that she is too busy to go out this week, but that she still wanted to go out, and she would call me next week.

I couldn't believe it when she did. She called out of the blue, just to talk. We talked for 4 minutes about passover, and our weekend plans etc. Then she said she had to go, just wanted to say hi. I asked her out again, she hesitated, and she said,

"I am really busy, but I would like to see you again. I think it would be a good idea if we went out with Natalie and did a bar night."

I realize this is a complete rejection.

But why did she call me? Did she call just to reject me to boost her ego? Was she somehow unsure of whether or not she wanted to see me again?


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 11:41 am 
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After this whole ordeal, a tsunami of bad feelings. I told myself that she was an amazing catch. She had everything I wanted in a girl. We had so much in common, and that she was genuine and honest. Also pretty and fashionable.

I felt like I had fucked up a good thing by being such a beta male. (Buying dinner, not trying to kiss her, phoning etc.) I felt so desperate. I felt helpless in the dating world. I average around 3 dates a year now, and I feel like I might have to settle, or be alone.

But this experience has opened my eyes a bit as well. It made me realize I HAD to stop reading PUA blogs, and ACTUALLY improve myself. I have started to do random approaches, and I am feeling a little more confident.

However I still feel like this situation needs to be resolved. I feel like Lynn won this encounter, but maybe I can get her back.

I feel like it would be great revenge if I could bang her.

Do you think it is reasonable for me to try one last non desperate attempt to go out with her. I could try being more alpha, text her instead of phoning, and get her to go out with me again. I could be more alpha on the date, and try to escalate. If it fails, no big deal.

Or should I call this a loss, and add it up as a life lesson, and a catalyst that leads me to be more successful with women.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2012 10:51 pm 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNovswAlmio

This might help you understand what you did wrong, totally opened my eyes from why I fucked it up while dating in the past, and why girls lose attraction.

Tyler goes off on one a bit, but generally he has a point.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 1:04 am 
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This reminds me of all my failed first date encounters...

It's time to stop the cycle.

My friend you need to start from scratch building a life-style and mentality of abundance...

Now is a great time to start. Begin a journal... and start again from the very beginning.

This girl, is NOT so great because at the moment you have no game. However, that will soon change. Only then would I try with this one again.

Also this:
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I feel like it would be great revenge if I could bang her.
Is a bad mentality to have.

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:13 pm 
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Yeah, dude it's ONE short date that didn't seem to go so well. Moreover, you didn't even "earn" the date (you didn't approach/get her #/...). Don't make a big fuss over it. In the greater scheme of things it's nothing.

I got the vibe that you seem like a massive buzzkill to hang out with from your post. Work on being positive, funny, whatever. Buzzkill gets you the opposite of laid.

Lastly, she didn't "win" the encounter. YOU "lost". There is a massive difference. Maybe text her some random thought to see how she responds to it (eg. Just saw the guy with the worst hair ever. Good to know no matter how bad my day is I'll still have better hair that that guy), but don't make a big "move" calling her hoping.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:55 am 
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Thanks for replying, Tweeby. I have read a lot of your posts and appreciate your comments.

Thanks for responding as well, VodkaHaze. I will try to be less negative, and I will use the text a random comment advice with future sets.


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