I agree bro, I think she just wasn't mentally prepared to have sex. Next time just accept it and let her think she is leading. Verbally and physically tease her. Tell her you want to fuck her so badly but you can't cause her mom is right up stairs. She will then disqualify it and that is one more wall down. Tell her how wet her pussy is for your cock, but you can't give it to her cause she wont be able to take your cock, make her say she can and she will want to prove it and then... well enough said.

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-Raphael

Aspiring Artist

Read the adventures I take as I discover my way towards becoming a mPUA or a dPUA (decent PUA) including completing the StyleChallenge ---> raphaels-journel-vt119594.html

Date: april 14 2012

Members: Valentyn & T_Rex

Location: Kingdom (Stripclub)


APOCALYPSE ROUTINE

Pretty cool night..I did some good stuff with strip game. We were supposed to go clubbing, but because we wanted to change the venues a little bit, we decided to go to a strip club. I told myself 2-3 days ago that today I want to field test the apocalypse opener..http://puarticles.blogspot.ca/2008/01/a ... pener.html

We get in and we sit down in two nice big chairs in front of a large stage with the best strippers I've ever seen since I went in those kind of places. The girls were awesome!

So we sit down, drinking beer and shooting the shit, when a stripper comes to me saying hi..leaning in...touching me...smiling and maintaining strong eye contact which = how to approach a set (except the leaning in part) I didn't fall for any of her crap. She asks me if she can sit on me. I go: "Listen, I'm not in that mindspace right now take a chair and sit" She's surprised I said that and she complies to my request. She sits but leans in a lot and our faces are almost touching when we speak..however I don't stutter or look intimated at all..I just talk to her normally. I said to her that the girls here are much more beautifull than the other stripclubs and after 2minutes of talking she asks me if I want a lapdance. I go: "What? Already? It's been...not even 5 minutes since we're talking..come on you have to put a little work in to it you know" She immediately laughs and I see that I just showed her I'm different from all the other douchebags that are yelling when she's dancing on the stage. After she laughs..she grabs my dick for 2 sec and I go: "Wowww..calm down there not that fast" She removes it and laughs again genuinly. At this point, I saw that her stripper programing just got turned off. She wasn't doing her fake thing anymore and we started talking, she qualified a little bit and I said to her that she should come later in 5 minutes

After a while, she comes back smiling and asks me if I want a lapdance. I go: "Come on..take a chair and sit down you should talk to me a little bit more" She smiles and takes a chair and sits down. I'm getting compliance here so I'm starting to build something. I qualify with what's her passion and she starts qualifying about how she loves horses and that she raises one and all that horse crap. Again..stripper program turns off and after a while she re-asks me for a lapdance. I say: "Listen..what do I get??" She responds: "You get me naked and you can touch me while I dance on you" I go: "Ahh that's it?? Only that? Ah ok....it's not that good.." She says: "Well..what did you expect?" I go: "Well I don't know...it's my birthday today" She says: "Ohh really? Well come in the back with me you'll see " Hmmm I tell my self what the hell is this a trap or not...I told her I'll be getting cash from the SPAM and that she should come see me in 5 minutes.

However, when all of this happened, it was already pretty late and she took more time to come because she was also dancing on the stage..therefore she couldn't come to see me. After she finished..I think she saw some rich guys or maybe richer guys than me so she started approaching some other guys on the other side of the place. I mean I don't give a fuck but I really have a strong impression that I coud've at least did something with that girl. Her stripper programing was just completely off and I saw the possibility of at least a nc. However..I wanted to try the apocalypse routine. Even though it's an opener, I used it as a way of closing

I go see another stripper and I ask for a lapdance. I see she has an accent so after I build some connection with where we're both from (2minutes of talking) she gives me the lapdance. She finishes and she gets up so I get close to her and look her in the eye. "So..how are you?" Her: "What?" Me: "How are you..do you feel good?" She goes: "Yeah you?" Me: "Yeah pretty good..what are you doing afterwards?" She: "Going to sleep" Me: "Ohh ok..do you want to come home with me tonight?" And after that..I went silent and I just saw a spark in her eyes lighting up..however, after 3 seconds..I started doubting that it wasn't going to work and that translated to my body language and I made a sound like "Ah...". She then said: "No thank you" with a smile. I asked her name anyway and I leaved. Next time, I'll have to hold my self together but it's fucking hard..you feel the tension that starts to build like fuck. Anyway..I had a great time! I'm trying this out every time I go sarging before leaving the club to go home. I have nothing to lose and it's fucking ballsy! I love it!

Peace out guys!

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Date: april 17 2012

GAMING SOLO


Allright I'm realizing I'm falling a little bit in comfort and I have to get out of it. Next week, I will either do a night game or day game solo. I'm getting tired of spotting cute girls after I finish school but not approaching. When I'm alone..I just can't bring myself to move and start the approach even though I do not feel any fear..it's kind of weird. I think it's because even if all the time I approach alone, I know I have a wingman who's not far from my set so if it goes wrong I have someone to go talk to after.

Things need to change..I have to start doing this solo, I don't give a fuck if it's more painful. There is no other possibility other than to succeed..I can't wait to go out there and push myself!

Quick Update: lately I've been kind of attaching myself to HB Jigglipuff so I neglected a lot of HB's I number closed..however, I started re-gaming a vaste majority of them, to make myself sure I'm not falling in the "relationship" zone with this girl. I'm currently texting 5 other girls with who I have a solid attraction base with them. I got 2 dates this week so Valentyn's about to tear this shit apart

Good luck in field!

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So that was your "problem" saturday night

A lot of strippers only care about your money, sure their program goes off, I have gotten them off to even talk about their kids, and then I just ask them honestly, cause I want to learn the best way to get the hottest strippers number, and they say (everyone one of them) they are only here for the money, and they will say what ever is needed to get it.

Your story is exactly the same, she said come with me to the back and you will see, then you reply kk I am going to the SPAM... dude she won. She got you to come with her to the back and grab cash, all she wants is that dough.

She found a richer audience decided to take her ass there for more bank. You might have had her tell her about her true self, but how many people do you think does that with her? Maybe not a lot but a small percent still do, she knows how to work around it by now.

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If you keep tackling it I bet you will bring one home one day, and if you do Good fucking job!

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-Raphael

Aspiring Artist

Read the adventures I take as I discover my way towards becoming a mPUA or a dPUA (decent PUA) including completing the StyleChallenge ---> raphaels-journel-vt119594.html

Date: 21 april 2012

Members: Valentyn & T_Rex

Location: Club 737


1 MIN KISS CLOSE + ALMOST SNL

Allrightt..I think I just learned a reallllyyy important lesson: always have condoms with you. The guys with experience please read my report and give me some feedback!

I get in this club..I see a lot of AFC's. I'm quite surprised by how many of them were just crashing up the place and I was quite happy I didn't have much competition. I get in with my buddy T_Rex and 3 girls we took with us. Now one of the 3 girls was his target that he wanted to close and we started dancing..however because I wasn't interested in the other two..I left the group and went to do some approaches on my own. I hooked a really ugly chick just for warm-up, after that I got denied by 2 sets. I go back to my friends and because we're celebrating my birthday, they buy me shots. The alcohol started to get a little bit to me and I felt the desire to fucking approach. I leave my friends and go to the other side of the club where I see a lot of guys just standing straight like a piece of wood with their beers in their hands staring at the dancefloor. I see a 2 set in between all the AFC's so I just go near them and I open the uggliest with: "Hey are you latina?" She says: "Yeah" I go: "Oh I knew it, I could easily tell" Now the hottest turns around and she aknowledges me. I see some minor IOI's and she's leaning back against the bar. I continue to befriend the her friend for like 45 seconds of intense rapport building and than I ask her what's her friend nationality. The hottest one responds and I say: "Oh my god, come here I have to kiss you" I instantly lean in and just make out super make out really fucking good. Her friend leaves us alone and I see that my target starts to get really excited! I grab her ass...pull up her skirt and slap that shit. She enjoyed it..I put her hand put her on my cock and said: "feel that you're making me hard right now.." She moans and I re-slap her ass! Haha it actually made a fucking loud noise everyone around us turned towards me so I quickly pull down her skirt. After 5 min of more making out..I start to rub her pussy just in front of the bar..she starts to get super excited. However, her friend comes in..cockblock..I go out..comeback after 10min I say to the cockblock: "Listen, I have a hot friend..let me just introduce you to him and you borrow me your girl for another 2 minutes" We did that and I bring T_Rex to take care of the obstacle. I grab my target go to the bar and re-start making out for like 5-10 minutes. Now I tell her stuff like: "I'm going to pound you so hard that tomorrow morning you're not going to be able to walk straight..have you ever had 3 orgasms in a row?" She's like: no..I tell her: "I'm soo making that happen to you" She smiles and I re-start to get really sexual almost fingering...and now I'm thinking: "allright valentyn..how the fuck do you pull an extraction with this girl?" I found out about logystics and her friends are there with her..she came with them: FUCK! I started thinking what can I fucking do to fuck her instead of an hotel. And what an idiot I am..I forgot about that the bathroom exists Plus, I forgot my condoms at my house and than I was really pissed I didn't know what to do..after more making out not leading to nothing her friends just dragged her away. My question is: If extracting her to a hotel...how the hell could've I've done that with her friends there? and let's say I would've went for the bathroom..do I just grab her by the hand and lead her to the bahtroom? She even told me she's weat as fuck..so she was cleary down..I just needed a location to close it. Advice is appreciated!

I do some more sets for fun and at the end I see this hot red-head, I open with: "Hey I rarely see sexy red-heads how are you?" She smiles, the set is hooked and I immediately start dancing with her..I quickly get an IOM. However, her friends were leaving I wanted to nc but she didn't had time..she had to leave right away so I didn't even kiss close but it was a great practice set..

Well that's about it..but if someone here has some experience with extracting girls for SNL's (Same night lays)..please give your advice on my situation!

Thansk and good luck in field!

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I don't know if I count as an "experienced guy", but I will still try to help you.

First of all... About the condoms... Totally your fault. You've been going out quite a lot for the last couple of months and yet you don't have any condoms on you? How.


Now, from my personal experience, I don't think you should try to close in the bathroom. 1- In most club, especially a class club like 737, there is staff in the bathroom and they'll bring the bouncers if they see you and a girl getting into a cabinet. And even when there is no staff, the bouncers usually check out the men's bathroom every 5-10 minutes. And if you get caught, they kick you out of the club, which is why I don't think it's worth it. HOWEVER, if you are willing to take the risk and go for the close, go in the female bathroom. People never think about it but the bouncers don't check them every 5-10 minutes. Only reason you would get kicked out is if some girls are super cockblocks and would go tell the bouncers.

About the fact that she was with her friends, it's no big deal.

Seriously.

If you have the vibe of a nice/respectful guy and you tell the girl to go home or whatever with you and that you will bring her back to her place the next morning AND she really wants you. She won't have any problem telling her friends to leave without her.

For example, this weekend. I was with a girl and I told her to come back to my place. She insisted that her friends leave without her and I took her home in my *coffre de voiture* (sorry, don't know the english word for it). Just a short story to tell you that girl's are also horny and they are willing to do sacrifice for a good fuck.

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Dear Optimist, Pessimist & Realist,

Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist

Really? I thought that you need to be-friend her friends so they know she's with someone who they can have trust in. I hear a lot of guys saying "For girls, they're friends come first" something like that. And also..I had no connection/comfort with the girl whatsoever...we never talked..just name exchange and a lot of making out-sexual public display. I think maybe for SNL's or one night stands you can get away with only attraction and no comfort..but I haven't tried it out. Well anyway, next time I'll follow your advice..just ask her respectfully and see where it takes me. And for the condoms..I know mate..usually I don't forget but yeah..it totally ruined my mood, I got pissed I feel 100% that I could've pulled her. Thanks for your advice man!

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If you don't have any fuckin condoms, just fuckin ask your bro T_Rex, man...I had some.

If you don't have a pencil, you won't write your essay? No, you'll ask the nerd on your right!
HaHa..Happy Bday!

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Be as you wish to seem - Socrates

Be-friending her friends can be good because some girls are just crazy, but it's not a necessity. As for this weekend, I only really introduced myself to them and it was good enough.

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Dear Optimist, Pessimist & Realist,

Just to let you know that while you guys were arguing about the glass of water...... I drank it!

Sincerely, the Opportunist

MESSAGE TO ALL FOLLOWERS

Hey guys! I've just had a long talk with my main wing Froggy, now known as Riddler. For many reasons that I will not specify here, I decided to create a journal with only closes (NC,KC, FC). I realize that I'm not the same guy I was before (hell no)..I'm not a newbie anymore and there's no reason why I keep posting reports or posts that are not closes.I'll keep the other stuff to myself, work on theories and keep my knowledge private. I'll talk to one of the administrators to block this thread so if you want to stay in touch with my progress, just follow my other journal post!

Good luck to everyone!

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I just want to tell you that i have nothing against you, stop thinking about the game and the rules, IOI's, Kino, Neg's and all this thing, cuz its easy when its not working to blame it on bad kino, bad neg, thats not the way to make it. your things are too mecanical, try to have fun a bit, it should be fun, just think about putting your Piece un a hole and post it! we'll be happy for you and stop calling everyone in a club afc's, you didnt even ram 1 time bro, everytime i read your stuff, i read the same patern, Amazing night, talk to a girl, eject, talk to a girl eject, talk to a girl nc or kc and you finish your night with nothing at all, i think you're too cocky too, just do it!

Hope you'll read it and keep my post here cuz good critics wont help you, take it like an alpha man

Alright I simply need to say something to everyone
You don't even know me..yet you can know what I think?? Hmm...where did you get your psychic diploma? Let me tell you one thing my friend..

I'm not mechanical at all! My opener by the way is "Hey, how are you?" "Hey guys what's up?" I rarely think in a set what will I say next. I do not use scripted lines! Of course I know some of them..but I never rely on scripted routines or lines. Therefore, I'm not fake..there's nothing mechanical at all in what I'm doing. Doing "kino" is nothing mechanical..it's natural..human love touch. I don't touch a girl like a machine because I read in a book you should touch someone..I touch the girl because I like her, I want her to feel comfortable around me and my presence. NEG? What's neg? I don't even neg! I forgot neg theory long time ago. I TEASE! There's a big difference! Where did you get the idea that I'm blaming bad kino for not getting the girl?? Where do you get your stuff?! I never blame anyone or anything beside myself..I always take responsibility of my actions and I never try to use something as an excuse to why I didn't get the girl. I know one guy that he complains he doesn't have time to go 30minutes practice and he blames having AA (like we don't all have it) and AA keeps him from getting girls. He's giving excuses on gaming stuff, not me..and my closest friends know me for not being a fan of blaming something else when I'm not getting the job done
If there's one thing that I have when I go out is FUN! When I started this, no I did not have fun..3 months ago..no I did not. Because I was barely able to hold back rejection and I was always inside my head when I was going out. NOT NOW. NOT AT ALL! You don't know me bro..
How many times I ram girls each month, week, or day is none of your business. I finish my night with nothing at all? See this is where you're wrong..you think by fucking a girl that my night finished with something good? Not at all..my night can end like shit and I end up with a ton of experience which makes my night amazing. I'm currently at a plateau period. Have you ever heard of it?? It's when you're having the same thing over and over again and you cant seem to go further. IT'S NORMAL!

- I had a plateau where I was just able to approach

- after that I had a plateau with just getting numbers..no dates...

- and now I'm at a plateau with kisses, numbers and dates, LMR and no sex (almost there)

Do you see where this is going? Or do you want me to draw a picture for you? Not hard to see or understand, looking back when I first started I'm actually doing great! I'm the ONLY judge of my experiences and of my results.
I'm not perfect. I'm trying my best here. It's true I'm cocky...but I really don't give a damn if people don't like me. You guys getting tired of my posts? Don't click on my thread, simple as that I wrote this journal here to show some people that progress can be made if you're willing to push yourself. I made this for myself, but mostly for anyone that doubts that this journey is possible. I believe with every fiber of my body that I will be successful in this and I knew before I even started that I will get good. I wrote my stuff public to maybe bring a spark in someone skeptical that girls can actually be picked up

Again, I'm the only judge of my experiences. ONLY I can determine whether or not I'm improving. Period. I have nothing else to say

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I call everyone in a club afc because it's true. Guys constantly line up with beers in their hands watching girls dancing and douchebags continously wait for the perfect moment to hump their jeans on the back of a girl's skirt. Just pay attention how many guys do that. Maybe even you do that... who knows? Do you know how many girls actually said to me that they like the fact that I just come to say Hi and didn't went and hump their friends from the back?? I was just genuine and normal..and being genuine works all the time!

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MESSAGE

Alright guys I decided to keep posting here. I will just post closes though! I already have a lot of stuff here and I had a specific reason to create a new journal, but I found even a better solution and it seems that it's irrelevant to create a new thread. I can just continue here..

However, lately I spoke with a friend of mine who I respect a lot in this community. He made me realize that lately I've been neglecting my passions. I will take a month and a half to work on myself and concentrate on lowering ego and be a better person. I will still go out 1 time each week as usual and I will write my closes in a document. When I'll come back, I'll post them here, but for now I'll take some time on my own with my closest friends and focus on my passion. I thank everyone who followed my thread and who tried to help me in any possible way. I'll come back soon!

Remember that giving up is the option of a coward man..and with that being said, Take care everybody and good success in life!

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