If there are no orgasms, then there is no relationship. You just got dumped for Jesus. Furthermore, you should probably read this: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... #post27844

Followed by this: http://www.pua-zone.com/showthread.php? ... rtance-of-

You need to express to her that you have needs and if she's not going to be the one to fulfill them, then you're going to find somebody who will. Then, go date other women (because you have to show her that you're serious).

-Wolf

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Good stuff I'll try it

I think we all hate "talks" but I never thought of a girl asking for a talk as "bad behaviour". Does treating it as such and "soft nexting" her work or does the relationship suffer for it?

Why would you subject yourself to something you hate doing? By soft-nexting, I'm communicating that I don't think it's acceptable behavior. As a whole, I am a happier person because I avoid these drama-filled confrontations. Does it make the relationship suffer? Well, putting me through a "talk" would make the relationship suffer.. so it's a moot point. I always lose when I have "the talk", but I mostly win when I don't.

I'm all for having a calm discussion while we're hanging out, but I'm not going to get involved in a premeditated argument / drama-fest unless i don't have any other options.

-Wolf

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"The only real worry is if she turns up the drama too much in order to get a reaction (i.e. she cheats on you to make you jealous or breaks up with you in a fit of anger to force you to respond). Even then, the situation can be salvageable. "



I'm with a girl who has constantly, since the inception of our relationship been all about other men...I'm sick and tired of it. This guy this and that guy that. It's like she can't get enough attention.

And I have no desire to play those types of games..I mean with two strong willed people, that inevitably just leads to swinging , and I know myself well enough to know that would bring nothing desirable to my world.

My question is: How is it salvageable if she cheats on You? How alpha is it to have to share Your depository with other swimmers? F'ng gross in my humble opinion.

I've been reading through this thread.. and this is the type of stuff that's wrong with pua. it's the type of thinking that keeps you out of healthy relationships and requires you to have to resort to shit like this. Cool, go ahead and train your girl like a dog. you might feel alpha and have positive results. ultimately, you're a scumbag.

to me, the intent of pua stuff is to teach yourself how to be able to interact with girls the way you want. not to manipulate them and control them.

This.

In order to lead a relationship you have to be a leader. Not a pussy.
If at the first sign of trouble (she wants a talk) you run and hide for basically 3 days than why the fuck would any half decent woman that has half a brain ever want anything to do with you ?

I said this a million times. The real leader / alpha is the one who stands and faces the fire.The pussy is the one who flees.

You have to be strong enough to hold you ground when you need to and even stronger to admit when you're wrong. But that's the only way you're ever gonna be truly happy. Great things only come for great people.

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Because that sounds like a healthy relationship. Play mind games. Play on your partner's insecurities and fears of abandonment. Make your partner feel like you don't respect them.

This is step-by-step advice on how to be a sociopath. Turning an otherwise healthy, confident person into a co-dependent wreck as a means to feel more secure in your masculinity is awful advice. Rufies work too, but that doesn't mean it's morally acceptable to use them.

Seriously, if you heard a woman giving this advice to other women you'd think she was a psycho cunt.

exactly. this is why I take any advice here with s grain if salt. there are those here looking to bring out their full potential, and there are those looking to learn how to control, dominate, and play this so called game. it's crazy how some of this information can be so misused and abused. that's why I've always looked to guys like Nick and Christian and laughed at guys like mystery. it's about bettering yourself, never forget that.

the point you've succeeded is the point where you can truly let go and completely lay your heart out for a girl and make a true connection. if you're always guarded, trying to stay one step ahead, you'll always be missing out on something.

So objective, I think this is okay on a small scale perhaps(Then it's not so damaging - ignoring emotional fights, shit tests etc)

Alot of the PUA's get good with girls by any means necessary and leaving someone for 3 days..while it seems you've had girls saying suicidal things, threats of hurting themselves...imagine what kind of pain they are probably going through. That shit is going to stick

a response in this very thread "So you don't love me?"

Then again 3 days is extreme, but would really depend on the situation. I think short term this stuff is okay, but really what does it accomplish? - pushing you to the power position lol. If you want a relationship where you can lead your girl by a leash then I suppose go for it. Constantly gaming your gf, truthfully I mean aren't we always trying to keep relationships fresh and find a sense of a reason to keep going?

This could really do it for her. . .

Truthfully tell any girl about any PUA technique in the wrong way and she will probably think your nuts lol

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love this, totally resignated with my experience.

I really like the point about girls starting needless fights and drama just to get your attention. I used to fall for that all the time and in the back of my head, I would wonder why she is making such a big deal out of nothing.
Good Advice.

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Oh really? Please tell me how have you have effectively dealt with bad behavior from a girl who thrives on attention? I would like to here some real life examples, not hypothetical situations.

The girls in my life are happy. One of the reasons they are happy is because I don't let them walk all over me and I am clear and upfront about my expectations. I don't put up with ridiculous drama so, yes, I leave (and cut contact) when girls subject me to ridiculous drama. It's effective. How does this make me a scumbag? How is this controlling or manipulative?

What I'm trying to do here is to encourage guys not to feed a girls drama addiction when she's behaving badly. It sends the wrong message. I'm also explaining WHY what I do is effective. Guys on here need to rethink how they approach dramatic situations (and illogical girls).

-Wolf

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Amazing advice, so glad I found this thread today!

I realised I was doing the opposite, my girlfriend literally texted just this morning saying we need to talk later and I did the opposite!

Her: We need to talk later
Me: What about?
Her: You'll find out later
Me: Just tell me I can't be bothered to wait all day
Her: Leave it, later
Me: I'm kinda worried now
Her: Why?

I left it at that, I really wish I just hadn't replied to her initial text but after reading through this thread its reminded me how important acting indifferent actually is! I feel cured.

Hey thanks for the advice. In the middle of this now. Been about 30 hours and 50 calls from the girl.

Here's the problem. I got word from a friend of mine that she got back in touch today with a guy shes hooked up with in the past. How do I deal with that? Shes going round most likely to see him tonight and she seems to message him when we have rough patches. She knows I know about their past. I have been forwarded flirty messages before that show the contact between the two and it is concerning.

I'm planning to stick it out till tomorrow then re-initiate contact. Any advice on how to do so if it turns out she's gone to get attention from this dude? Should I keep with the not bothered approach or add a couple more days onto the soft next?

Cheers