I get alot of no.s out of day game however they keep flaking when i ask for a date, only the hot ones do ive realised where am i going wrong ?

what sort of things do you talk about?

how long do you talk to them in set?

how long before you call/text them?

what is the premises behind the date, are your intentions completely clear?

when you say flake do you mean after they accept a date from you, then back out, or they are just turning down the date to begin with?

also, how many no's is alot?, are we talking talking 10 in a row, 50 in a row? what defines alot of no's for you?

I think its cos im not kino escalating

ok i approached 7 girls at the weekend
i got 6 of the no.s thats because the 7th girl didnt stop for me....


i text them that night..... I usually get like a convo out of the texts ....

i usually say to them "hey just saw you eye fucking me from over there so i had to alk to you " I go direct lol

I usualyl get ther no. after a min or 2o of speaing to them.....

I got 3 dates out of the 6 no.s i got but the dates i gt i would class the girls as being 5's

the other 2 girls were a 6, 8 ( she took my no. but did text me and have a conco) and a 10 ( who wanted to go out but I couldnt because i cant do night game im 17 :'( 1 mor ebloody year im in the uk )

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Btw i have taught people on here to all the young pua's........ I have taught people twice my age who have offered to pay.... its funny when peopel say you are too young to get ino something... sont listen ! Uk sheffield if anyone ever wants to sarge

the above post does not seem the line up with the post below
85% number close rate, 42% date rate, off cold approach,
this does not seem like alot of no's, or alot of flakes,
as for universally attractive girls, vs unattractive girls the only real difference is how guys treat them and how many options/what kind of options they have, you are as attractive as you are, a hb2 will find you just as attractive as a hb10, the only difference is guys probably shit on the hb2 and treat her like she doesn't exist, while it would be reasonable for the hb10 to have a fair amount of guys in orbit

I will challenge you to go indirect.

I've played around with day game for a while trying indirect and direct. Through experience and what I've read from RSD, going indirect lessens flaking.

The theory states that when you go direct the energy is at the highest and will go down as the interaction continues. When going indirect, the energy goes from low then goes high as the interaction continues making the interaction memorable and more legit. I've played around with direct openers since its easy also since SimplePickup has proved that you can get numbers easily, but, I find going indirect produces more results, in terms of countering flakes, due to the low to high energy gradient. The best observational openers I've use are:

1) At the cafeteria with a girl eating her food.. "I need to know ... what are you eating right now?"
2) "Hi" ... then transition.
3) At library, damn that is a pretty massive back pack ... you must have tons to study.
4) Your shirt is very [what ever color of shirt she is wearing] ... transition.
5) Bus stop ... have you seen that xyz bus come by? Transition
6) ... Anything that relates to the environment.

Basically, once you transition and introduced each others names then you are in ^_^.

It may feel weird doing this ... but it's actually as easy as going direct.

But, none the less the one thing the truly wins most interactions is qualification. If you can get the girl to qualify her self to you and show your intentions of how you like her because of the answers to your qualifications then she will less likely flaky you. You can even sugar caught it by comparing her answer to other people ... for example "That's really cool that you are a nurse. I like girls who take's care of me. You know a lot people are not as caring as you." or "That's pretty pimp that you are a vegetarian and focus on eating healthy. A lot of people are to lazy to discipline themselves to eat healthy."

The other thing is if you can bounce her to multiple places/venues for your instant dates. More venues = more memories of you and more investment on her part with her complying with your bounces.

I've mostly ran this style of game and theories mostly on my campus and my cities downtown ... it's pretty do able and optimizes your day game.

Sincerely,

Donston

Hey dude thanks for the advice guy above...^^^^^


Can you give me some qualifiers plese i don't know many.....

Also btw most of what i do is natural i think it is with you ... thats why im asking you thanks


PLYR

it's a much lesser success rate because they don't trust you.
if you hit up on a girl you need to keep the conversation flowing a bit more so you'll signify yourself. it's best if you create some sort of something that she can remember you by. like a book \ movie \ music you talked about.

girls tend to diss out guys they think just stand around and hit up on girls.
they respect it better if they think it was natural

please don't steer yourself down the wrong path,

indirect = show your intentions, after you can build her up to liking you, so it is more likely that she doesn't reject you (at least up front at face value)

direct = show intentions because you have them and it is how you feel and you don't wish to hide them or waste time on girls that are not interested


indirect will garner better responses since you are playing to not lose, you will lose less, but you will waste alot of time on girls who are not actually that interested in you, you end up thinking every time a girl starts to lose interest and drift away, that it was just something in your game, every time a girl flaked on you it was just a misstep in something you did, but realistically, you will still end up not sleeping with most of the girls that you approach, , the only difference is the ''rejections'' more often come in the form of flakes and lets just be friends, so you feel more like it was just something ''off in your game'' when really she just had no intention of having sex with you, right from the moment she met you, so she just talked to you and made a friend and wasted your time looking for romantic interests because she didn't want to be ''mean''

being direct screens more for interest, if a girl is not interested in you, she is more likely to not want anything to do with you, this weeds out the time wasters who might want to be friends with you, or have a nice new orbiter if they can manage it, it is a faster more efficient way to find girls to sleep with you on cold approach, and if you can handle the emotional stress and approach enough, direct will most likely get you laid much more often and much more efficiently, essentially, you will be playing to win, so if a girl doesn't want you to win, then it is game over with her, how ever if you can win the game, then she will respond well (see what im getting at?)


generally girls will know relatively quickly, within about the first 30 seconds of seeing/speaking with you if they would sleep with you or not, the rest of the way to sex is just doing your best to get there without cock blocking yourself, and if she was already not interested then going direct or indirect won't change anything, the only thing it might change is she might lead you on and try to be your friend because she doesn't want you to ''feel bad'', instead of just telling you flat out she is not interested and being honest with you, because you were honest with her

how ever the upside to indirect game is it gives you more plausible deniability in situations that showing your intentions would not be as productive for you in continuing an interaction, how ever continuing an interaction is not that conducive to how much sex you have, just specific goals require specific approaches, if you could get fired at your job for hitting on a girl you work with, going up to her and hitting on her might not be in your best interest


you have to consider the above, as being a girls friend, or a flirt buddy but not ever in your life having sex with her, is the same result as a rejection in the first 5 minutes, with either a ''no sorry'' or a phone number the immediately either goes non responsive or is flaky because she knows you are interested sexually, and she is not, if flakes are your problem, the likely cause is your ability to establish an emotional connection, or girls not finding you attractive, for the girls that are actually interested in having sex with you it has little to do with direct/indirect, if you were having problems with flaking I would suggest focusing on building more rapport with girls, getting them to tell you more about themselves, spending more time in set, really genuinely trying to get to know them as a person and make a good connection, however you don't have a problem with flakes, you are doing fine, 43% of girls you talk to, meet you for a day 2, that is good, if you can start turning those dates into sex, you will be doing even better, pickup is a numbers game and the sooner you can comfortable with the idea that you can't get every girl and rejection is a part of the game, you will be able to get much more efficient with how quickly you go in between girls, and how often you get laid (depending on what your goals are)

different people have different opinions on direct vs indirect, but realistically if you had sex with a girl that you were indirect with from the start, chances are you could have just been direct with her and gotten the same results, it is an issue of plausible deniability vs efficiency

GOOD LUCK