I wasn't a daily drinker but I did the weekend thing 3 out of 4 times a month for years. Never got out of control, had hangovers or drank to the point of vomiting. Had the recommended 2 servings max (sometimes an extra one) of wine/scotch. Not extreme by any means but I got tired of the weekend drinking routine. Got tired of seeing drunk idiots. I also started getting conscious of how my actual non-sober game was vs the game in my mind.

I had an epiphany one day and decided to see how long I could go without touching a drop. It's been three months. I feel like my eyes have been opened. When I hit the nightlife scene I feel this power of clarity and awareness that most guys don't have. I hear the stupid things some of them say and I wonder if that was how I sounded. I have nothing against drinking, I might have the occasional glass of wine with a nice meal, but to use it for "instant" courage is a sign of weakness in my opinion.

It didn't happen overnight but my body functions feel great. Skin looks great. Sleep is better, digestion is great and my mind feels clear. I feel like I'm on a natural high. I work out 4 days a week like I always did but I can push harder than I did before. But the best part? I've been having a lot more sex. Great sex. No worries about whiskey dick or endurance. The girls I've f-closed have been coming back for more, and now I have the energy to keep up with all of them.

drinking makes us pussies? haha your a joke.

you only live once have FUN, dont stress over stupid shit.

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"I'm savage as fuck, and willing and able and never got clowned cuz when it came around I was down to put my dick on the table"

You're the one who's stressed out if you need to drink in order to talk to a girl, not me. On the contrary, I love talking to women and I'm more than relaxed and comfortable in their presence. Right now you're just giving excuses because you know I'm right. "You only live once have fun". Did I say to not have fun? I said that if you want to become good with girls, alcohol puts you in a fake state of mind that does not characterizes you in general, so when you will not drink, you my friend = pussy. You will be the one who will be stressing out approaching a HB 9.5 in the subway while I'm watching you fail and I'm comfortable and relaxed enough with my presence of a man to engage a girl who's hot and in a situation where 99.1% of guys just look and never act I will act, you can look from a distance and wish to be me

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This was actually field tested more than 5 times at least by me

Everything I said above I said working with approximately 30 guys..(if not more). The alcohol had the same effect on all the guys who were drinking to approach. So yes my friends "have fun". Go drink to talk to girls

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Gaming sober is kind of what I refer to as a "Pro Status" thing. I'll admit, I'm still just starting in the game and really starting to apply lessons learned from books, this site, and videos watched.

I'll go out and have a drink or two. During this time, I'm taking in the scenes, meeting people, building my status a bit in my surroundings. I walk around with a drink, give daps to some people, strike up conversations, talk to the bartenders like we're old friends, maybe a get a dance or two in (STRICTLY ALONE...when I'm dancing on the floor, I am bounding all around and jumping high as hell in the air. I don't give the impression that I care).

After this, I decide to sober it.

Now, I'm somewhat loosey goosey but not to the point of drunk. Mild buzz at best (i'm a severe lightweight). I already have met some people so this is easy way to reflect again on building status and flashing smiles, throwing jokes around, and building later friendships / contacts (which equals to more introductions to women actually).

I do this routine most every Friday / Saturday. I don't rely on the booz to make me what I am later that night. I merely use it as an influential tool and approach helper. People see me with a drink, it automatically can cool them down. They know I'm there to party, it's a drinking scene (club) so if you aren't dancing then you're probably putting one or two down and not standing at the edge of the bar staring like a creepo.

This is getting long winded but I guess you see my point. I am up for a bit of the sauce but, I don't rely on it.

You think that if people see you with a drink it cools them down? You're more than wrong on this one. What cools people down is a non seeking approval attitude. If you approach with a non seeking approval attitude, everyone will enjoy your presence and you don't need to buy any drink to approach. I rarely get rejected because I know how to not be needy when approaching and not seek approval from anyone from the group. Do that and you'll be successfull. Just having a drink in your hand is not going to increase your success rate. Body language, posture and voice tonality are FARRRRRR more important than you having a glass in your hand man

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While I agree that being able to game while sober is ideal, I'd never deny that I have way more game when I'm drunk. Due to my job and school life, I can be something of an introvert. I don't really have much AA, but I tend to get sparse social interaction and meeting new people can be a little bit nerve racking. I get like, 5, 6 drinks in me, and I'm cool as a cucumber. All of that nerve goes away and I'm just in it for fun and always do better with the women. Keep in mind, I'm also a heavy weight and keep a pretty level head when drunk . Do you see anything wrong with this? While I wish I could have the same level of game while sober, I simply don't get out enough to be that comfortable on a first meet up. After I start talking to someone and a connection is established... I'm golden, drunk or sober. So IMO, drunk game is a win-win for me.

CHeers,
-GA

My past to Lays have been in sober GAME.

everyone different its not black and white. But you calling people PUSSY's cuz they drink is what worries me. Dude its just a drink. your over analyzing this shit like a female.

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"I'm savage as fuck, and willing and able and never got clowned cuz when it came around I was down to put my dick on the table"

Are you capable of reading? I said if you drink in order to talk to a girl. Yes that is a pussy. You need something else that's not you to just open your mouth and talk to another human being.

If you drink just because you like it and you know you're not reying on it to engage girls..thats different but still weak if you get hammered as fuck.

By training guys or with guys that drink in order to approach I learned several things:

- they can never have the same results when they're sober
- if they cant have alcohol they start stressing out because they know that alcohol helps them approach so when they cant have it..they stress out and end up in a dark corner where they creep at girls
- they will NOT have the courage to approach a HOT girl on the street! Never..I actually never ever saw a guy who gets drunk to talk to girls having the balls to stop a girl on the street telling her: wow you're fucking hot who are you? THEY ALL SHIT THEIR PANTS when I propose them to approach
- they get a number and on a day 2..they text me what to say or what to do DURING THEIR DATE..because they dont have a clue what to do..they have "game" for a period of 2 hours in the club..the next day when it comes to see the girl..hm...not so good..welcome to reality

So from my experience in conclusion: relying on alcohol reduces your dominance state as a man. A TRUE MAN will never have to drink a beverage to ENGAGE VERBALLY a girl because he doesnt give a fuck about her approval or what she thinks about him. That's a man who's dominant...not the guy who stresses out to drink his 3-4 pack of beers so he can THAN LATER ON approach

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I agree that you should not use any substance period as a crutch to become social.

but don't call people who drink pussy's.

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"I'm savage as fuck, and willing and able and never got clowned cuz when it came around I was down to put my dick on the table"

I agree to a certain extent.. most guys that drink in clubs do it to have the courage to approach girls.. and when they are put in different situations they have no balls to start a conversation.. If you are drinking to get the courage, you are most likely to fail when you are not drinking.. In my opinion, its all about your mind set when you decide to drink.. If you are drinking to pass the AA you will fail in the Long run.

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I'm sorry..did I hurt your ego because you realize what I'm telling it's true?? Didn't mean that my bad

This is the last post for me in this thread. You can only try to help people this far..if I just shattered your reality because you thought your good with women while relying on alcohol ..I'm sorry that I upset you and woke you up to reality

No wonder the community has 90% of failure rate..it's because of things like this

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it's ok to drink, especially if you drink with a girl, but too much alcohol can take your focus out. if it's a girl you were already hanging out with and having fun with or that you already made the impressions and she already wants you, than you can go harder on the drinks because there is no chance it'll fuck up your chances...

but all in all, if you're sargin than you get naturally high, so if you need to look like a part of the crowd you can get a glass with a non-alcoholic liquid that looks like alcohol

Ok! people seems forget that you are going out to have fun. You are going to clubs and bars because you actually enjoy meeting new awsome people. You are not out, because " you have to close this HB or that hottie" You are out because you enjoy the music, dancing with girls or just having fun socializing with strangers. IF you are going out 3 times every nights just for sarging and you dont even like the places you go. Stop going to club for pickup, start to pickup in the daytime!

Yes, drinking is allow, but you are not suppose use it as a way to get BALLS. Look at your grand fathers or their fathers, they went to wars, build towns and cities out of nothing and make our country rich. Look at men throughout history. Look at the great inventers, conquerors, rulers, and warriors. Would they be afraid of that 120 pound girl? do they have time to think, " omg, what if she reject me, what if ..." HELL NO!

So she is hot, so what, she's gonna turn old and die like every other ugly chicks in the room. Too many guys think wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much. IT’S JUST A GIRL! Why are you thinking so much about something that you are PROGRAMMED TO DO NATURALLY?

Omg, not like before pickup, you havent talk to a girl before...

Our culture has brainwashed us to be the men in our movies: our lovable loser AFCs who will always get the girl in the end. This is not a movie, gentlemen; THIS IS REAL FUCKING LIFE! Women find you the sexiest when you are a man! When you smack her ass after a good dinner, when you tease her for doing something girlish. When you stand up for what you believe in, when you have passions that rule your life, and when you treat her like a woman should be treated.


Drink because you are there to have fun with your friends and your wings, not because you need godamm balls. Be a fcking MAN.

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I've definitely done both, through my years on this earth, I definitely believe the times I was more sober, the better things went. When I used to drink a lot and do a lot of drugs, if you did pick up a girl, she was most likely just as wasted as you, if she wasn't, she definitely didn't think too highly of you soon after. Ironically, I hooked up with a buddy's wife like this once (before they were married or even dating for that matter). I was HIGH as hell on esctasy and probably doing coke too - it was a long time ago. Her and I were able to laugh about it after my friend and her started dating. But keep in mind, I wasn't doing this to pick up girls I was doing this to get F'd up and see whatever happens, happens. I even asked her what it was like, she said I was definitely saying the right things, but after awhile, she could see through it; or even better, the next day (I was visiting a bunch of people) she really could reflect what a lunatic I was. I really didn't care, it was a different stage in my life.

It's funny, I was thinking of this post and a lot of the stuff Valentyne said and it even brought me back to my HS years!!! I was like damn, I haven't thought about this in awhile. Anyway, I met this girl, I was pretty much the same lunatic in hs as I was in college, anyway, I forgot who she was friends with, I probably did something cheesy talking to her, who remembers, but at some point, whether she asked other people or realized herself, I wasn't a bad guy. I meet her at another party, I am destroyed again (let's say I'm 17,18) and I'm actually getting a good wrap with her - how I don't know. I even tell her how great I think she is, mature, who the f remembers, all I know is she's definitely buying it. So, I see her a third time, I'm quite sober at this point, hanging at a friends, I'm sure we're drinking, but I'm no where near drunk or buzzed and she's trying to talk to me, I can't answer crap back...I feel stupid...I mean she's being the aggressor here, she's trying to create something between us and I'm like an idiot, kind of ignoring her. So, she just figured I was a liar and full of crap. I even try to get back into her graces at a later date, not happen, she justthought I was full of shit and a loser.

Ok, I was a lot younger here, damn I was a kid, but it definitely proves a lot of what Valentyne has been saying....I prefer not to be drinking when I speak to women, sometimes your just out and you end up talking to people.. but you young cats, if you're out on a mission, you guys probably go to more clubs, granted, everyone is different, but when I was in my late 20s taking more control of my life, I did much better with the ladies...hell, I head a steady gf, could easily get stuff on the side, got engaged, could get stuff on the side, then eventually married (that all stopped by my own doing, I definitely had opportunities though)....

To each his own, but I would prefer to start meeting women not in bars or clubs though...