i am trying to get a support group, to help me with editing my book and with the video, so far this has been very difficult, and a lot of flakers, harder than i thought... Since i do not know anything about the biz side of pick up, but anyways i will keep you posted, mr. matt has had some success and he is closer to your age... for now there is a dude name flirttothebeat, not great or good, but he is decent:

http://www.youtube.com/user/flirt2thebeat

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Matt, what's your take on drinking while out? I know we both can get mad drunk when we want to, but do you ever just say to yourself that you wanna go out, you wanna get laid, so you ease back on the booze? Or do you not change things up at all.

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1- Dancing is a must. If you ever want to experience some success when going out, I will have to develop at least some basic dancing skills at one point or another. You could always look up for some basic informations on club dancing on youtube.

2- I will not give you any tips on dress sense since it's different for everyone! Just find something that suits your style and personality. If I'm going to a normal club, I will be wearing everyday clothes, maybe a cap, hip hop shoes. However, if the club is classy, my style will be different. It's just a matter of where your going and how it fits your style and personality.

3- Girls do communicate with code and signs. They will often go to the bathroom as a way to get away from guys who are hitting on them.

Will edit later to answer other questions.

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HEY JACKAL MY OWN OPINION ON YOUR QUESTIONS, READ NEXT TO YOUR SENTENCES CAPS, NO YELLING MY STYLE:

JACKAL REBORN J000"]Any tips for guys who are shit at dancing. LEARN NOBODY WAS BORN DANCING I COULD NOT DANCE FOR SHIT! YOUTUBE LIKE MR. MATT SAY GOOD RESOURCE, AEROBIC CLASSES, ZUMBA, JUST WATCH GUYS AT CLUBS THAT ARE GETTING THE LADIES(AND IMITATE WHAT THEY DO IN FRONT OF THE MIRROR, AND HOW THEY DANCE, JUST MAKE SURE THAT DO NOT DO THEIR MOVES NEXT TO THEM, WHEN I SEE GUYS DOING MY MOVES PISS ME OFF LOL.. BUT IS SO SIMPLE IS NOT EVEN FUNNY.. BEST WAY TO KINO DANCING IMO

Its very hard to hold anyones attention. NO, BUT DO NOT FOCUS ON ATTENTION FOCUS ON AROUSAL WHEN DANCING WHILE MAKING THE HB AND HER GROUP HAVE A REALLY GOOD TIME(FUN)

Any tips on dress sence. LOOK AT WHAT COOL DUDES ARE WEARING IN A PARTICULAR CLUB, DEPENDING OR YOUR TARGET CLUB, INDY CLUBS, HIP HOP CLUB, TECHNO CLUBS, LATIN CLUBS ETC... (I PERSONALLY WEAR A LOT OF GUESS JEANS BRANDS AND FOR DRESS SHOES SKETECHERS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A LINE THAT ARE NICE MIX OF SNEAKERS AND DRESS SHOES:
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This is good simple shit. Took my guys to a venue with loud music.

I'm pretty new to this Club Game thing. I am a Day Gamer. TOTALLY DIFFERENT CLUB GAME FASTER GAME MORE AGGRESSIVE...

Please give advice on nonverbal in a loud environment. Can u guys actually hold a conversation in a loud venue without shouting. THAT IS WHY I ADVISE NO TALKING OR MINIMAL TALKING, IF YOU ARE TALKING YOU ARE NOT ESCALATING, AND IF YOU ARE IN A LOUD VENUE YOU WILL HAVE TO REPEAT YOURSELF MULTIPLE TIMES, WHICH IS ANNOYING TO WOMEN, THAT IS WHY I ADVISE NO TALKING...

How the f do females communicate in a loud venue, I do not understand. DON'T TALK, NO TALKING, APPROACH, DANCE, ESCALATE...

Please give advice as though it was to a Club Game novice.

It may help as to know what u guys did first when u were club game newbies. FIRST TIME I WENT TO A PARTY I WAS AMAZED OF WHAT I SAW A NATURAL DO, SINCE ALL I DID WAS DAY GAME,STREET GAME(SIMILAR TO SIMPLE PICK UP CREW), BUT ONCE I SAW THE GUY THAT TAUGHT ME HOW TO DANCE WITH 5 GIRLS AROUND HIM GOING CRAZY LIKE HE WAS A MALE STRIPPER, I OPEN MY EYES, AND I MADE IT MY GOAL TO BE THAT GUY..

The approach part is understood, keep doing it until u r good at it. NO, IS A BIT MORE TRICKY THAN THAT, A LOT GOES INTO IT, LOGISTICS, TIMING, ETC...

Is it possible to be even average in this without dancing. YES, 2 OF MY FRIENDS ARE NATURALS THEY DO NOT DANCE AND GET GIRLS, STELAR FOR EXAMPLE DOES NOT DANCE AND GET GIRLS AT CLUBS, SAME WITH A BUNCH OF PUAS, BUT I CAN NOT RELATE, I DO IT BY PURELY DANCING AND ESCALATING)

Dancing advice is good, so I can pass this on to the guys who dance. YOU COULD BE ONE OF THOSE GUYS..

I get the impression the girls are just there to show off and not talk to anyone. I am sure I am not wright in this.[/quote] YES AND NO, WOMEN GO OUT WITH THE GOAL OF DANCING, DRESS UP,HAVE A GOOD TIME WITH HER FEMALE FRIENDS, GET HIT BY A BUNCH OF GUYS AND TURN THEM DOWN, NO TO PICK UP LIKE WE GUYS DO(BUT IF A GUY WITH SKILLS, AND GAME WANTS TO PICK THEM UP THEY ARE DOWN AND MORE THAN WELCOME THE IDEA, THIS IS WERE GAME COMES INTO PLAY), A MINORITY GOING OUT WITH THE GOAL OF SNL(USUALLY OUT OF TOWNERS, OLDER, MARRIED ETC..), BUT MOST GIRLS WITH THE RIGHT GAME CAN BE CONVERTED TO SNL..

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@ Skills360, I've read some of your text game in the lay report section. Good game and a lot of patience I must say

Good luck,
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How can you approach a female and without talking (I assume you -skill- mean legit no talking) get her to dance. I have tried a bunch of things, and I haven't picked up a pattern

If you do say something how do you get her to dance. I have no problem opening and approaching, just transitioning to the dance floor so to speak. Once on the dance floor my k-close success rate is a bit less than 1:2 granted I haven't dont much its still something ey.

How do you transition from k-close while dancing to lets say ONS or Day 2.

(some of these I think I know the answer, but I would love your opinions, and hopefully anyone else with similar questions can find the answers here.)

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hey guys i am getting pm a lot, please ask the questions here so everybody can contribute, and we can get different styles and points of view, i also want to learn what other people do...cool!


I got ask about the women castle: Usually they are women bonding among themselves and they do not want to be bother, specially early in the night, most of the time they are celebrating birthday or bachelor party, you can go hi energy and say:

girls night out? and see how they react, look at the body language if they have attitude eject..

or if the girl is wearing a crown in the group, go in and say happy birthday and hi five, and dance with her and involve everybody...Again if they have attitude eject..

or if is a bachelor parties they will have lollipop dildos, or the main girl a wedding head gear... You can go and say congratulations, and offer her a sexy dance or hi five...If attitude or bad energy in the group eject...

Some women castle are looking for attention and entertainment some women castles are close(they want to do female bonding), also early in the night they are not socially warmed up, they need couple of drinks and get momentum... With time and experience you will get good at this...with that being said, you want to be EFFICIENT, and approach easier sets unless the group is seeking attention here:

" Of course the easiest target is a girl by herself, which is rare especially if she is hot, usually she is looking for somebody or she is lost, which sometimes is not good for logistics(the friends make come and take her away). The second easiest is a mix set were there are two girls and one guy dancing(hooking up with one girl while the other one reminds like a third wheel). When the girls make the women castle, sometimes they do it on purpose usually birthday or bachelor party, you may get in and dance, read the body language, and eject if they are not inviting with the gestures.

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What are the best targets at club, best way to approach. I see that matt says talk, but what if your on the dance floor, there are no girls sitting down and able to just start a convo.

Second, if there are girls or a girl off the floor, how do you start and gear convo to her asking for a dance.

I only do direct, indirect just not my thing, but in this circumstance is it better to do indirect and show interest in her not just using her as a dancing partner to later bring home or what ever purpose you want?

How long should I chat with them before I get them to dance, I have gotten girls in 5 mins and some I would play a game of pool with and then flirt and get to know them and then I have them the entire night, or in the future if I see them I can just pull em away from who ever and dance with.

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I don't think there is a "best way to approach". Guys on this forum often thinks girls are really complex creatures.. But the truth is that these guys are just overthinking everything they do.

"What is the best way to approach"? " How should I approach her if.... If.... If...?"
"Do you guys know a rejection-proof opener?"

Seriously, approaching doesn't matter that much (AS LONG AS YOU ACTUALLY OPEN). Just go out, try it, flirt with a girl for about 10 minutes and ask her if she remember how you approached her. If you didn't do anything really stupid or original, chances are she will have NO CLUE.

On the dancefloor, there is just so many way to open. Ex:

-Eye contact with a girl, you make a suprized face and keep looking at her, she will either stop looking at you or come up to you.

- If you see some girls who are not dancing and obviously not having fun, you can approach, do a silly dance move (Ex: Macarena) and ask them why they look so bored!

Hell, you guys would not believe me if I told you how many girls I number or k-closed while opening with a chicken dance... Last anecdote, I approached one of my ex- girlfriend by stepping on her friend's foot on purpose. It's been a really nice relationship who started with a shitty approach. All that to say, just go out, try new stuff, see what work and what doesn't and you got the approaching part done!


How long should you chat with her before you get them to dance?

Again, over thinking.

Every girl is different, every situation is different. There is no optimal timing... For the simple fact that some like to dance and will actually ask you after you've been talking with them for like 4 minutes. For other girls, who you can call more "prude", it may take up to 30 minutes. Personally, when I am facing these girl, I will just eject since this type of girl do not interest me.

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Thanks man I have no problem with approaching or AA or that stuff, I just wanted to ask the "pros" what they do so I can learn. I will try the dancing stuff.

I just keep finding myself in the same boat. I will go to a bar/club. There is a huge lack of women, majority are already dancing, other majority are fat or not my type. That leaves like a small percentage.

A lot of them are as skills will say in the castle. With a wing, I did this tonight, I was able to break it up because we each came in and eventually just took two. His girl was very much into it, mine just freaked out cause she had a bf for two months. Unlucky choice. But that worked very very well.

I try to build connection but a lot of the ones sitting are tired in pain or something else and dont want to dance. I would move on but theres only a limited amount of girls at these venues. So number game is my issue.

In large ass clubs with hundreds of girls I am good. But when theres like 20 max than yea. Its a lot harder.

So I just wanted to know are there any specific approaches you do that are more successful than others. Such as, do you immediately go lets dance or some variation, or chat them up for 5 mins or w.e time and then ask them to dance?

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READ NEXT TO YOUR SENTENCES THE CAPS NO YELLING MY STYLE:

quote="Raphael.Rapoport"]Thanks man I have no problem with approaching or AA or that stuff, I just wanted to ask the "pros" what they do so I can learn. I will try the dancing stuff.

I just keep finding myself in the same boat. I will go to a bar/club. There is a huge lack of women, majority are already dancing, other majority are fat or not my type. That leaves like a small percentage. YES THIS IS NORMAL MOST OF THE TIME 5-10 GUYS PER WOMEN AT PICK UP TIME, WHEN YOU APPROACH MAKE SURE THEY CAN TELL YOU ARE DIFFERENT FROM ALL THE OTHER AFCS..

A lot of them are as skills will say in the castle. With a wing, I did this tonight, I was able to break it up because we each came in and eventually just took two. His girl was very much into it, mine just freaked out cause she had a bf for two months. Unlucky choice. But that worked very very well. IN A CLUB SITUATION BOYFRIEND, HUSBAND IRRELEVANT, JUST SAY AWESOME, AND SAY THAT YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND TOO, AND YOU ARE NOT PLANNING TO FUCK HER(USE THIS EXACT WORD), YOU JUST WANT TO DANCE AND HAVE A GOOD TIME, THEN KEEP DANCING AND ESCALATING... MOST OF THE GIRLS I PICK UP HAVE BOYFRIENDS OR HUBBIES(READ MY LAY/FIELD REPORTS), IRRELEVANT..FINALLY, IF YOU FRIEND CONNECT AND YOU DO NOt, EJECT FROM THE GROUP AND LEAVE YOUR FRIEND ALONE WITH THE GROUP, CAUSE IF NOT THE GIRL THAT IS BORED WITH YOU WILL FUCK UP HIS GAME BY DRAGGING YOUR FRIENDS TARGET, BETTER TO EJECT...

I try to build connection but a lot of the ones sitting are tired in pain or something else and dont want to dance. I would move on but theres only a limited amount of girls at these venues. So number game is my issue. EXACTLY THAT IS WHY I RECOMMEND MINIMUM 3 SMALL VENUES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE WERE YOU GO FROM CLUB TO CLUB, AND ROTATING, I HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL WITH THIS SYSTEM FOR YEARS, ALSO CROWD KEEP CHANGING AND CHANGING..I TEACH HOW TO GET IN FREE WILL NOT POST IN THE FORUM..

In large ass clubs with hundreds of girls I am good. But when theres like 20 max than yea. Its a lot harder. YES MINIMUM THE SIZE OF AMERICAN FOOTBALL FIELD WITH MANY DIFFERENT ROOM, THIS IS THE OTHER TYPE OF CLUB I RECOMMEND...

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In response to your message/statemet (dont know what it is) but yea...

If I eject the castle that removes the isolation my wing and I created, I will use this line now its a great way to just disqualify both of us. I tried to do exactly that but it wasn't as successful, I said something along this lines as thats amazing and then "interviewed" bad idea got it

How can you make urself seem different?

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Don't forget that with eye-contact, there comes a lot of facial expression aswel. Having eye-contact without any facial expression can lead to awkwardness and a lot to estranged behaviour/creepiness for the lady. Add a smirk (bit of a playful smile) to the expression and it's a lot more fun. It's also proven method that smiling does increase attraction because she will feel the urge to smile back.

BUT don't OVERsmile.. really important to get this through! Else you will lose the sexual vibe you have.
I never figured out WHY people proclaim Routines to be bad. Yes, it's contradictionairy cause I did the same. However, there's a logic between all of this.

When you look at this forum you have 3 kind of people, those who preach the positive about routines, those who hate routines and those who just act as routines.
Let me clarify this for you:

A routine is a handle, an activity that you've gotten USED to. This means that you are doing it multiple times to get the hang of it.

Eventually a routine is made to strengthen the outcome of the interaction and thus increases your chances of sexual activity with your target. Between the 3 people mentioned above, only 1 category is succesfull on all levels (progress, game, life) and that's the third. People ask me a lot about this and they ask me:

Hey, but why not the second either? He can do all the routines

True. He can do all the routines BUT and this "but" is big.. take this person out of his familiar environment and his chances of success gradually decrease. Simply, because a routine is a "predifined" situation and a predifined "answer" towards something.

The third category are those who have done a lot of routines, with rising & falling and made those routines a part of their daily habbits, adjusting the routine to their own character. Thus creating an attractive persona on a lot of levels.

This "not giving a damn" thingy, has it gotten so hyped these days? Does it actually help progress you? Think about it.. what has THIS done for you. . .

Think long & straight about this answer Matt, cause it'll show where you are standing right now.
Is she? In my eyes, it's still the same. . .
I like this, good description.

Have you tried it out while putting the palm of your hand on her cheeck? Like as lovers do in movies? It creates a lot of attraction and also a lot of familiarity, as if you are long year lovers..

Also, if you wish to keep it playful (which is GOOD in dancefloor) don't go in for the expected "first kiss" just go in.. and just at the time that you're about to kiss, pull back out and say something stupid like "awww.. you look so cute when you try to kiss me".. she'll feel a bit embarassed and shy, which is natural because she thinks you don't want to..

At that stage, just put your hand on her cheeck and kiss her.. you'll see that this kiss is a WHOLE lot more fun to do then a regular first one.. and it'll improve your ego a bit more

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Overall, a pretty solid post Matt, you've grown quite a lot. Now let me see what your answer will be and we'll take it from there.

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FUCK YEAH!! a dance thread.

btw skills, thats why they invited the quotes button bro

god dam the chat, long time no talk to a lot of you.

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